Anyone got confirmed news Re Fiat Ducato build delays

[royandsharont]

Hi, I am awaiting a new Adria PVC which should have been here last October but keeps on getting put back on a monthly basis. Now end of June and I don’t believe it will come then if I’m honest. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it finally arrived in 2023!

Trying to get any information of the true delay situation from the manufacturers, let alone information that you can trust to be correct and up to date, I am finding impossible. Nothing on the news for Europe but some in America Re shifts being closed at factories there from 2 to 1 a day, but that is about Stellantis car plants I believe.

The delays all appear to revolve around Stellantis production in Italy at their Sevel plant but still none the wiser as to specifically why. Saying the Pandemic repeatedly does not do it for me now.

I would just like to get some honest understanding of why the monthly delays continue and I think all Fiat based manufacturers are pretty much the same.

I wanted to start this Thread for comments from anyone who has got confirmed news or information, rather than rumours and speculation, although if my experiences are the same as others no one will be able to confidently add an update, but here goes

Regards in advance if anyone can add anything

 

[dash300]

And coming to Crewe! Pity they aren't going to Poland for my MAN TGE!

Have you a link on that. Found Wireco in Crew but relevant news?

 

[rod_vw]

Have you a link on that. Found Wireco in Crew but relevant news?

I was referring to the Bentley factory at Crewe. Bentley being part of the VAG group.

 

[PDrill]

My favourite subject! Like my signature says, "Hymer (Grand Canyon / Ducato) order placed 1/21, 1st ETA 5/22, 2nd ETA 8/22, 3rd ETA 11/22..."

When we decided to get a new one, I was expecting for max 6 moths wait and all the dealers said 4-5 months. But everyone learned it will be Autumn 2022 so we decided to abandon the idea. Then a dealer (and another the next day) called back telling it would be here 5/2022, and even though that was quite a long wait we decided to go ahead because it had been a long and thorough process to find and decide the model. Sold our previous PVC 2 months later (we do >15000 miles/year so the car would've had >120000 miles when the new would arrive so we sold it while it still worked and the MH-hype was at it's peak) and started waiting.

At that time we were going with the 7/2020 prices and were promised that the prices will hold even if it was known the prices will rise for the next year. Then came the new Ducato and new prices and we went through the order again, adding a lot of kit now available. The price for our van had risen some 3000 euros (for the original order, new addons of course made even more) but we were still promised the original pricing. Soon after that we got informed of 3 months more wait. And after 3 months we got informed of 3 months more wait (at that time at was about 1/2022, 4 months before the original ETA). A few weeks ago I asked for the updated summary of our order because last time we didn't get it, and while waiting for it, I noticed the prices have gone even more up since our last meeting. Now the price seems to be over 9000 euros more than our original order.

I have asked again for the summary (waited 2 weeks after asking the first time) and it's slightly exciting to see if the original pricing still holds. If he is still going with the original pricing it will be quite respectable and I'm up for a deal of a lifetime. And not going to ask for any compensation for delayed delivery . He told that the automatic gearbox is the main reason for the delay, without it it would probably come sooner.

So, to make long story short, our original wait of about 14 months (of wich were on month 14) has expanded to (at least) 22 months. Currently I'm looking for some s**tty van for next to nothing to get even a bit away sometimes as it seems I'm up for second summer without anything.

 

[nicholsong]

At my age (80) if I were buying new I would expect the dealer to throw in life insurance on my life in my partners favour until I had signed the delivery/acceptance note.

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[dash300]

At my age (80) if I were buying new I would expect the dealer to throw in life insurance on my life in my partners favour until I had signed the delivery/acceptance note.

Contract in joint names deposit from joint account?

 

[nicholsong]

Contract in joint names deposit from joint account?

But she wouldn't drive what I would order.

 

[dash300]

But she wouldn't drive what I would order.

Ah! That's turned a challenge into a problem!

 

[ED O'DARAC]

Hi again, we have just been told by two others awaiting new Carado vans that theirs have now dropped back from May to September 22. All originally January 22. We haven't been told any news about ours yet, (which had already dropped Jan/Feb/April to May)but I am beginning to fear missing this summer's trips with the new van.

 

[Billylou]

Our Westfalia PVC April/May next year. Very pleased to say we’ve picked up a Burstner to tie us over.

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[Robb]

Lucky me, told yesterday my Swift 874 is still on schedule for late June, although ready to be disappointed ...

 

[dash300]

Lucky me, told yesterday my Swift 874 is still on schedule for late June, although ready to be disappointed ...

Good to be realistic but we will all suck up a bit of positivity with delivery dates being pushed on. When did you place your order?

 

[ED O'DARAC]

We just received a first delivery date! We were told our build week was 23, and we are now (today) being told to expect delivery and registration week 24 which is June 13-19. (2022!).
(Carado T459 Edition 15 with no drop-down bed Island bed plus face to face lounge, (Erwin Hymer TravelWorld)).
(Just as a guide to help others who are waiting for Ducato-based vans, we were told our chassis number around the end of March, so I guess that must mean it will be confirmation that it is more likely to be physical chassis soon)

 

[dash300]

We just received a first delivery date! We were told our build week was 23, and we are now (today) being told to expect delivery and registration week 24 which is June 13-19. (2022!).
(Carado T459 Edition 15 with no drop-down bed Island bed plus face to face lounge, (Erwin Hymer TravelWorld)).
(Just as a guide to help others who are waiting for Ducato-based vans, we were told our chassis number around the end of March, so I guess that must mean it will be confirmation that it is more likely to be physical chassis soon)

Excellent news, at least they're coming off the production line!

 

[Suenliam]

Picking up our new Fiat PVC tomorrow Ordered June '21 with eta early 2022, then May, then August. We really wanted a manual gearbox although the dealer special (which were the only ones he had ordered) was an auto. When he phoned to say a new manual edition had been delivered and we could have it immediately I took a nano second to say yes please It appears the supply vehicles is spasmodic and mostly manuals.
Sue

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[dash300]

Picking up our new Fiat PVC tomorrow Ordered June '21 with eta early 2022, then May, then August. We really wanted a manual gearbox although the dealer special (which were the only ones he had ordered) was an auto. When he phoned to say a new manual edition had been delivered and we could have it immediately I took a nano second to say yes please It appears the supply vehicles is spasmodic and mostly manuals.
Sue

Excellent news. The new Auto's are highly regarded and the most popular option apparently, so you have gained an advantage by wanting manual. I have paid for the Auto upgrade and would get a refund if I settled for a manual. Will just wait for the Auto but delighted you have got what you actually wanted.

 

[ED O'DARAC]

Maybe the manual gearbox vehicles are being pushed through, ours is a manual??

 

[Suzukikettle]

We ordered a Swift Kon Tiki 784 at the February Motor Home show and were told delivery would be September the 9th now been told it may be delayed so expect we will be lucky to get it this year

 

[Westrow3]

The Rapido / Dreamer groups in FB are reporting a bunch of new delays on fiat based chassis. I had a VIN allocated in March, I guess the chassis had only been planned then and not built! I'm wondering what to anticipate delivery in Q4 and book hols without the van or continue to play the waiting game... Thoughts?

 

[dash300]

The Rapido / Dreamer groups in FB are reporting a bunch of new delays on fiat based chassis. I had a VIN allocated in March, I guess the chassis had only been planned then and not built! I'm wondering what to anticipate delivery in Q4 and book hols without the van or continue to play the waiting game... Thoughts?

I don't have a FB account so not privy to it's information. However my Dreamer order of August 2021 according to Highbridge due originaly April 2022 then changed to October 2022 is apparently on the Rapido/Deamer dealer site still showing the same date for my spec of heavy chassis with the 160ps auto. I did pop into Highbridge today to get some chairs and did spot 4 newly delivered Orange Adria PVC's sitting in a very denuded forecourt. So deliveries are dripping through. I have not been given a vin allocation. When did you order?

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[Westrow3]

I don't have a FB account so not privy to it's information. However my Dreamer order of August 2021 according to Highbridge due originaly April 2022 then changed to October 2022 is apparently on the Rapido/Deamer dealer site still showing the same date for my spec of heavy chassis with the 160ps auto. I did pop into Highbridge today to get some chairs and did spot 4 newly delivered Orange Adria PVC's sitting in a very denuded forecourt. So deliveries are dripping through. I have not been given a vin allocation. When did you order?

I don't have a FB account either, I use my other half's. I ordered in Nov from a stock order so I don't know when it was placed. Sounds like your van is making progress which makes me feel somewhat more positive. Perhaps I'll hold off on that non vanbased trip abroad for the time being...

 

[dash300]

I don't have a FB account either, I use my other half's. I ordered in Nov from a stock order so I don't know when it was placed. Sounds like your van is making progress which makes me feel somewhat more positive. Perhaps I'll hold off on that non vanbased trip abroad for the time being...

Yes my order was from Highbridge's annual stock order and we then added all the upgrades to it and paid the deposit to secure it.
We just adjusted our plans for this year as a result of the delay. We held off selling the boat fortunately and have enjoyed some cruises along the South coast but having spent £400 in (non red) diesel for the annual family trip to Alderney from Plymouth the boat has now become just too costly with mooring fees maintenance and insurance on top. Having said that my broker has had a queue of buyers for it for some time, so there are still people with deep pockets out there.
Now planning van visits with the van for next year!

 

[gus-lopez]

The factory in Ukraine that supplies the VAG group with wiring looms is at less than half capacity due to being shelled.
A lot of the looms that they are producing at the moment are going to Bentley.

Does make you wonder why,when they have got up to all sorts of tricks & skullduggery before ,that they haven't invested in there own armed wing to wreak havoc on russian blockades & actions affecting there production facilities & impacting on there company performance? all tax deductable-

 

[gus-lopez]

So what did Geoff nicholsong do wrong?

 

[Joolsm]

Just heard today that our new Itineo will be delivered to the dealer in Spain within the next couple of weeks. We ordered last June, so will be about a year when it arrives. It’s a 160bhp auto on a heavy chassis. We’re very excited, although we won’t be able to pick it up until the end of July (our timing, not the dealer).

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[VanLad]

We ordered an Adria PVC on Fiat body in October 2020 for delivery in April 2021 but it finally came in August 2021. We thought that was a long wait but things look worse now

 

[Simon Select]

It’s going to get worse. Lots of items were built in Ukraine. Manufacturers are switching from Fiat to Ford. Several manufacturers have stopped production. Any decent manufacturer has offered price protection (Whilst they can) to protect end users and dealers.

 

[GMLS]

It’s going to get worse. Lots of items were built in Ukraine. Manufacturers are switching from Fiat to Ford. Several manufacturers have stopped production. Any decent manufacturer has offered price protection (Whilst they can) to protect end users and dealers.

Yup wiring harnesses , neon used in the manufacture of semi conductors and switches.
There are now lots of issues in the car industry with components failing where manufacturers have switched suppliers. One colleague has rejected 2 brand new BMW's due to issues with on board electronics and there are stories of failing upholstery, glues and adhesive on the car forums. Lots of other stuff being hidden with NDA's etc. A number of people at work have been waiting 9 months plus months for new company cars only for them to be cancelled (not delayed) which means they have to select another now far more expensive car and join the back of the queue.

 

[VanLad]

I ordered my Autotrail PVC in October 2020 and I’m still waiting, with no confirmed build or delivery date.

 

[Jim]

I ordered my Autotrail PVC in October 2020 and I’m still waiting, with no confirmed build or delivery date.

Oh I feel your pain. Have they mentioned price at all?

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[dash300]

I ordered my Autotrail PVC in October 2020 and I’m still waiting, with no confirmed build or delivery date.

2020? Some are getting their 2021 orders delivered!