Anyone got confirmed news Re Fiat Ducato build delays

[royandsharont]

Hi, I am awaiting a new Adria PVC which should have been here last October but keeps on getting put back on a monthly basis. Now end of June and I don’t believe it will come then if I’m honest. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it finally arrived in 2023!

Trying to get any information of the true delay situation from the manufacturers, let alone information that you can trust to be correct and up to date, I am finding impossible. Nothing on the news for Europe but some in America Re shifts being closed at factories there from 2 to 1 a day, but that is about Stellantis car plants I believe.

The delays all appear to revolve around Stellantis production in Italy at their Sevel plant but still none the wiser as to specifically why. Saying the Pandemic repeatedly does not do it for me now.

I would just like to get some honest understanding of why the monthly delays continue and I think all Fiat based manufacturers are pretty much the same.

I wanted to start this Thread for comments from anyone who has got confirmed news or information, rather than rumours and speculation, although if my experiences are the same as others no one will be able to confidently add an update, but here goes

Regards in advance if anyone can add anything

 

[JonP]

I would have agreed with you a year or so ago but we decided to change from caravan to Motorhome in January. Looked at a second hand Burstner that had the layout we wanted, 4 years old, 27k on the clock and it was only £3k less than a new one! So it was a no brainer to order new!
P.S the wait is killing me though, I have zero patience

After having an old 13yr old PVC we looked to buy secondhand newer replacement couldn’t believe how much tatty old vans were fetching late models were more expensive than buying new with a discount and selling the old van privately.

 

[gus-lopez]

Perhaps people don't want to be saddled with a second-hand lemon, that has lots of undeclared/undisclosed problems? I'd rather buy new, knowing that if mine is a lemon, I'm at least covered by the guarantee and/or warranty.

But only if you can get them toi actually fix it?

 

[WoldsSunlight]

But only if you can get them toi actually fix it?

I would have thought that comment is much more applicable to 2nd hand mohos? - the couple of [minor] issues I've had with my van have been sorted quickly and without fuss by my dealer

 

[Rob Turner]

The factory in Ukraine that supplies the VAG group with wiring looms is at less than half capacity due to being shelled.
A lot of the looms that they are producing at the moment are going to Bentley.

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[Reallyretired]

As I said, Im all in favour of people buying new, as otherwise there would be no second hand market, however I would never do so myself.

 

[dash300]

As I said, Im all in favour of people buying new, as otherwise there would be no second hand market, however I would never do so myself.

Having a hard and fast rule makes no sense currently. The second hand market has priced itself to a point that those who have no patience are willing to pay and pushed up prices to pretty much new prices! For those who are not of the 'I want it and I want it now ' persuasion it makes sound economic sense to buy new with all the inherent advantages that brings! Strange market currently but it makes sence to follow the value. The bubble may burst of course but it's some way off in my view and I Iike the confidence of a new vehicle and warranty for the minimal premium over a second hand equivalent currently.

 

[Late Arrival!]

Hi, I am awaiting a new Adria PVC which should have been here last October but keeps on getting put back on a monthly basis. Now end of June and I don’t believe it will come then if I’m honest. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if it finally arrived in 2023!

Trying to get any information of the true delay situation from the manufacturers, let alone information that you can trust to be correct and up to date, I am finding impossible. Nothing on the news for Europe but some in America Re shifts being closed at factories there from 2 to 1 a day, but that is about Stellantis car plants I believe.

The delays all appear to revolve around Stellantis production in Italy at their Sevel plant but still none the wiser as to specifically why. Saying the Pandemic repeatedly does not do it for me now.

I would just like to get some honest understanding of why the monthly delays continue and I think all Fiat based manufacturers are pretty much the same.

I wanted to start this Thread for comments from anyone who has got confirmed news or information, rather than rumours and speculation, although if my experiences are the same as others no one will be able to confidently add an update, but here goes

Regards in advance if anyone can add anything

Hi
New on here. We've an Adria Twin on order since early Sep 21. Delivery was first quoted as Jan Feb 22 and latest is Oct 22. Last week we were told our 160bhp auto had been withdrawn by Fiat so dropped to 140bhp. Told this was down to Fiat but can find nothing online. Rather suspect Adria are trying to reduce options available. Maybe down to RHD availability after all UK is a tiny market far away on the edge of Europe. Fiat engines are in short supply-those identical engines Citroen and Peugeot are supplied from France. Online info about plant closures due to supply of engines for the Ducatos and other news on extra shifts. Adria and their dealers seem to be determined to avoid providing any updates.
Norman & Margo

 

[dash300]

Hi
New on here. We've an Adria Twin on order since early Sep 21. Delivery was first quoted as Jan Feb 22 and latest is Oct 22. Last week we were told our 160bhp auto had been withdrawn by Fiat so dropped to 140bhp. Told this was down to Fiat but can find nothing online. Rather suspect Adria are trying to reduce options available. Maybe down to RHD availability after all UK is a tiny market far away on the edge of Europe. Fiat engines are in short supply-those identical engines Citroen and Peugeot are supplied from France. Online info about plant closures due to supply of engines for the Ducatos and other news on extra shifts. Adria and their dealers seem to be determined to avoid providing any updates.
Norman & Margo

This seems to be the state of play currently. You were given an optimistic delivery span. My order (albeit Rapido) was mid August 21 with an April 22 delivery! If you are happy with 140bhp don't forget to get a refund as the 160bhp is a cost option. Or you might like to pay a premium for the 180bhp. I assume the auto is still available to you.

 

[Late Arrival!]

This seems to be the state of play currently. You were given an optimistic delivery span. My order (albeit Rapido) was mid August 21 with an April 22 delivery! If you are happy with 140bhp don't forget to get a refund as the 160bhp is a cost option. Or you might like to pay a premium for the 180bhp. I assume the auto is still available to you.

The dealer confirmed that the 180bhp is now available only on the 4300kg chassis which we don't need-quite apart from it being another £2500 more than the 160. So awaiting confirmation of the final cost once Adria agree we can also revert to the standard fridge to save weight. Have to say getting any info from dealer or Adria is "blood from stone" stuff. We'd added just about all the extras weo aircon and had been asking for weight info since we ordered. Adria still won't say how they calculate MIRO so I've told them my assumption ..... more or less told by the dealer I'm hassling him!

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[Robb]

Thank xxxx I'm only upgrading and have a working van that is no longer for sale!

 

[GMLS]

Perhaps people don't want to be saddled with a second-hand lemon, that has lots of undeclared/undisclosed problems? I'd rather buy new, knowing that if mine is a lemon, I'm at least covered by the guarantee and/or warranty.

I've bought 3 new motorhomes all great the first good few years and sold 2 of them with reoccuring problems, so they went to a dealer.One had water ingress 5 years running

 

[MoHoSam]

Hi. We ordered a new Adria in Oct. '21 and had an initial delivery estimate of Apr. '22. In January we were given the extended date of July '22. We have just been informed it is now estimated to be October '22.

 

[dash300]

Hi. We ordered a new Adria in Oct. '21 and had an initial delivery estimate of Apr. '22. In January we were given the extended date of July '22. We have just been informed it is now estimated to be October '22.

October seems to be a common default month. If true it's going to be a busy month for handovers!

 

[Billylou]

If we get ours in October we’ll be over the moon. Sadly I think it’s got 2023 written all over it.

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[Phil89a]

We ordered our Adria Twin with our dealer in April with the order going into Adria end of June (the dealer's next wave of orders); delivery was December 21. This has slipped a number of times, usually by 4 - 6 weeks each time and is now mid-July 22. Dealer has been very good and kept us informed all the time. It is what it is and we are really at the mercy of Fiat

 

[Jofang]

After more than 2 years battling bureaucracy in France I finally got my C1 licence back, which had been a casualty of Brexit when I tried to exchange. Having got the C1 we shot off to the dealers in France looking for a new 4500kg van and were told you either take the pink one with blue wheels that we have in stock or wait at least a year for your own specification. So it appears the delay with new moho's is nothing to do with right hand drive as some of you have mentioned it's down to a lack of parts in general.

 

[GMLS]

October seems to be a common default month. If true it's going to be a busy month for handovers!

I was thinking the same .A lot of us have more disappointment to come

 

[dash300]

I was thinking the same .A lot of us have more disappointment to come

It's difficult to know who is generating these delivery predictions and what they are based on. Those of us waiting may well be bumped into next year. Compared to Bentley orders we are pond life!

 

[royandsharont]

This is exactly why I started this thread dash300. Without going back through all the comments I don’t think anyone has added any confirmed reasons for the delays with the Fiat build, but some likely close possibilities I’m sure. I still don’t know any more than before after 47 posts

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[dash300]

Totally agree. Dealers appear to have closed ranks with an industry wide plan of 'Operation Fob Off'!

 

[royandsharont]

I’m not absolutely sure on that one, I’m more inclined to believe manufacturers are withholding the information from us all.

A friend is awaiting a repair from Autotrail, who are not far from us, and he spoke with them last week. They said they were closing for Easter as normal and then not reopening again until June.They booked his repair in for 3/6 I think. They didn’t say why but he presumed they couldn’t get chassis to build on?

 

[dash300]

Far be it from me to draw any Russian analogy!

 

[GMLS]

A mate of mine ordered a new Alfa over 6 months ago. Total last month that is was being built and would be here in April. He was told yesterday that his car was cancelled!. That's is, no solution.

Someone else at work ordered a Jag 9 months ago only to be told that model is being withdrawn. He has to order a different vehicle and join the back of the line. The cost of the vehicles has gone up so his car allowance won't get him the same spec. I'm also hearing of a large number of new vehicles with problems with changing suppliers being the reasons suggested. Glues and sealants are failing, upholstery falling apart and car electronics causing shutdowns due to issues with the semi conductors. I heard of someone that had to reject 2 brand new BMW's because of constant shutdowns First world problems against what else is going on but still...

 

[simplyjimbo]

After more than 2 years battling bureaucracy in France I finally got my C1 licence back, which had been a casualty of Brexit when I tried to exchange. Having got the C1 we shot off to the dealers in France looking for a new 4500kg van and were told you either take the pink one with blue wheels that we have in stock or wait at least a year for your own specification. So it appears the delay with new moho's is nothing to do with right hand drive as some of you have mentioned it's down to a lack of parts in general.

There is a delay in RHD chassis builds. Compared to line assembly for LHD builds, the RHD line is much smaller. As previous posts have said, it's supply and demand, and the LHD market is much greater than a UK market for most manufacturers, especially Fiat and Citroen. Our local dealer (Passion) has huge stock of brand new PVC's and C class and openly states that the European market will always be serviced better than the British RHD market. We know the dealer principal well, and it's a sad fact of a number of things.........Will let you guys work it out!
I hope for the sake of all of you waiting that it sorts itself out sooner rather than later.

On another note, a re-map by a bona-fide tuning company will get the same results as 'up-speccing' a brand new order.
We are on our second M/H with a re-map. Both Fiats.
Latest is the Euro 6 from 130 to 160bhp. What a difference in mpg and torque.

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[dash300]

There is a delay in RHD chassis builds. Compared to line assembly for LHD builds, the RHD line is much smaller. As previous posts have said, it's supply and demand, and the LHD market is much greater than a UK market for most manufacturers, especially Fiat and Citroen. Our local dealer (Passion) has huge stock of brand new PVC's and C class and openly states that the European market will always be serviced better than the British RHD market. We know the dealer principal well, and it's a sad fact of a number of things.........Will let you guys work it out!
I hope for the sake of all of you waiting that it sorts itself out sooner rather than later.

On another note, a re-map by a bona-fide tuning company will get the same results as 'up-speccing' a brand new order.
We are on our second M/H with a re-map. Both Fiats.
Latest is the Euro 6 from 130 to 160bhp. What a difference in mpg and torque.

I am told as far as RHD vehicles are concerned that has always been the case irrespective of whether Motorhomes or Cars. The exacerbating factor being the shortage of materials and components. There will come a time when Stellantis decide to ramp up their production line for the UK RHD backlog and I am sure that will have been programmed in. October seams to be the default month dealers appear to be settling on. Having said that, as reported on this forum RHD dealer deliveries are still happening. In the mean time my delivery delay is to the benefit Cunard and P and O.

 

[ED O'DARAC]

We are waiting on a delayed new one. (Carado T459 Edition 15) Ordered August 21 for Jan 22, Feb, April now possibly May 22. We have now been given an actual VIN number, but who knows??? A friend who used to be a UK agent for a major European brand says that the Fiat van factory keeps shutting for months. (His Frankia has been delayed from Feb to October).

I have suspicions re the availability of RHD versus LHD, but we have had both, so I have scoured Europe for our model and we cannot get either left or right any quicker......

We have a major wedding anniversary this year, so our plans are more fixed than usual, so October delivery would really mess these plans up for us.
As for the daft second hand prices currently, our number of summers on this earth are finite, which can make a 'van in the hand' extremely precious.
Also, just as an aside, I would rather buy a quality, cherished second hand van where all the teething troubles and dealer aggro has been tackled by the first owner

 

[Slimalex]

I don't mean to bea person of poor tidings but my brother has a haulage business.
He's had a Man truck on order. 2 other vehicles in UK and having bodies built in them.
This one vehicle had a December delivery 2021. He's now been told to cancel the order because the chips to run it come from Ukraine..
Presumably used trucks will be going up on value as well

 

[EmersonNZ]

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[gus-lopez]

then not reopening again until June.T

I'd have to go and make sure that they were shut.

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[rod_vw]

The factory in Ukraine that supplies the VAG group with wiring looms is at less than half capacity due to being shelled.
A lot of the looms that they are producing at the moment are going to Bentley.

And coming to Crewe! Pity they aren't going to Poland for my MAN TGE!