Another bad news thread for LPG

[JockandRita]

Not many campsites will let you use a free standing gas cylinder with a high pressure connection hose

Even if the sites did allow the practise, with the current shortage of cylinders, some bu@@er will have it away during the night.

Spanish lpg cylinder prices are regulated by their government as they are a mainstream domestic fuel supply .
The U.K. cylinders are predominantly used for leisure purposes and a very tiny market in comparison to the Spanish.

Thanks for the explanation, but it still doesn't excuse extortion.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Basildog]

Even if the sites did allow the practise, with the current shortage of cylinders, some bu@@er will have it away during the night.


Thanks for the explanation, but it still doesn't excuse extortion.

Cheers,

Jock.

I often wonder how Calor actually manage to make any money running that business, which may actually answer why they haven’t actually put measures in place to supply the U.K. network with enough cylinders to satisfy demand .

 

[VXman]

I think it was on the Facebook group LPG Auto Supply UK that I read Morrisions had just installed a new Calor Gas pump in Leeds. Seemed a suprising change from the usual news,

Anyway, found that FB group useful for news on where there is LPG supply.

 

[Phill D]

Not many campsites will let you use a free standing gas cylinder with a high pressure connection hose

I understand why you say that, but don't those that camp, tents particularly do exactly that.

 

[Minxy]

I understand why you say that, but don't those that camp, tents particularly do exactly that.

Wouldn't they have a low pressure hose though due to having a regulator on top of the cylinder?

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[Phill D]

Wouldn't they have a low pressure hose though due to having a regulator on top of the cylinder?

Good point
I can't have woken up yep....

 

[Basildog]

I understand why you say that, but don't those that camp, tents particularly do exactly that.

No they don’t .
They have a regulator mounted directly onto it then a low pressure hose connection to the appliance.

 

[Phill D]

No they don’t .
They have a regulator mounted directly onto it then a low pressure hose connection to the appliance.

Yes thanks it's alreadybbeen pointed out to me that my thinking was incorrect.

 

[Basildog]

The only recommended method of connecting an external cylinder to a leisure vehicle actually appears in the standards .

 

[Two on Tour]

The only recommended method of connecting an external cylinder to a leisure vehicle actually appears in the standards .

So am I reading that wrong, as I see the external #7 coming in from outside at full cylinder pressure and then being regulated down to the 30mbar in the existing internal system regulator ?

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[eddie]

We got 200L LPG at Tebay Services, then another 130L at the fuel station at Loch Levan yesterday.

Being dual fuel helps as we can cope with out it but obviously prefer to run on gas.

It does mean though the we have a driving range of about 750 miles which can be useful

 

[Steve and Denise]

I have just been looking at Tall Trees gas supplies in Gyhurn and they sell 47kg bottles (92lts) for £59 so 64 p a litre not bad I thought, now I know it would not be possible to carry a 47kg bottle in our van, but is there a Lpg pump available to transfer the contents SAFELY to refillable bottles fitted to Motorhomes ?

 

[Basildog]

So am I reading that wrong, as I see the external #7 coming in from outside at full cylinder pressure and then being regulated down to the 30mbar in the existing internal system regulator ?

Yes if you read the first paragraph it states pressure , so basically a first stage regulator on the cylinder with an excess flow valve test would cut off the supply if the cylinder was for instance knocked over etc .
GOK actually make a kit to do exactly this .

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

I have just been looking at Tall Trees gas supplies in Gyhurn and they sell 47kg bottles (92lts) for £59 so 64 p a litre not bad I thought, now I know it would not be possible to carry a 47kg bottle in our van, but is there a Lpg pump available to transfer the contents SAFELY to refillable bottles fitted to Motorhomes ?

You can do it with an adaptor hose but you would have to turn the 47 kg bottle on end and have it higher than your refillable to transfer the liquid gas.
It's a bit dodgy though and could be very dangerous..
With your big garage you could fit a couple of 47 kgs bottles in there ,fix extra long hoses and supply the rest of us that only have tiny tanks.

 

[PaulC70]

I am going to have a gaslow system fitted on Monday but you now cast doubt on it , I am now thinking do I go ahead or not , having one11kg and keeping one 6kg calor, as a belt n braces option.

That is how mine is set up at present.

Exactly the same set up and experience for us.

Has worked out well so far.

That's the set up that works for us, except our 11kg refillable is Gas-it, rather than Gaslow.

Ditto, and I only installed my gaslow a fortnight ago, got filled on the way through manchester last week

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[Lenny HB]

I find the fridge in my Compactline very gas greedy. I have installed some roof vent fans and hopefully this will improve the situation.

May make the gas consumption higher but the beer will be cold.
My internal fan certainly increases gas consumption small price for cold beer.

 

[busbuddy]

It will, if I still had an RV on LPG I would apply to get an LPG tank at home and use that. Habitation gas only of course.

One of my neighbours with an lpg converted rv has a gas tank in his garden with a normal filler nozzle , not connected to house, I've never asked him how much it is or if I could use it but I wonder if that's a niche thing for a campsite in the future, stay a night and fill lpg
I also have a mate who owns a farm with all his usual road going vehicles lpg powered, he also flys hot air balloons which he fills from his many tanks on his property.......I wonder how any shortage will affect those sort of people......we only use it for leisure but a lot of people use lpg for their day to day cars...it was supposed to be the better fuel compared to petrol so its the 'electric' of its day

 

[Silver-Fox]

I can report that Strensham Services North bound on the M5 are back up and running with their lpg pump.

Filled up today

 

[wfdTamar]

I'm coming over in a month. Is LPG generally cheaper in the UK or France currently?

 

[johnnyjp5]

MFG is planning to end the sale of auto-LPG on its forecourts​

by Clare | Apr 6, 2022 | Motoring | 0 comments
The Motor Fuel Group (MFG), the largest independent forecourt operator in the UK, has said that supplying auto-LPG is no longer commercially viable. The company plans to remove auto-LPG from all its forecourts by 2024.
MFG had to announce its plans through the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) because of the preliminary investigation by the CMA into the purchase of Morrisons Supermarkets and forecourts by MFG’s US private equity owners.
The CMA reported that “MFG submits that auto-LPG is no longer an important product category for modern petrol station forecourt businesses due to a continued industry-wide decrease in demand. This decrease in demand means that revenues are low and will continue to decline, thereby making any continued investments, including periodic testing of the facilities, commercially unviable. Accordingly, MFG plans to remove auto-LPG from all of its sites between 2022 and 2024.”
MFG intends to replace its auto-LPG facilities with Electric Vehicle rapid charging hubs and other services, such as grocery offerings or car wash facilities. MFG currently has over 200 150kW chargers on its sites and has plans to electrify its network of over 900 forecourts.
The decision by MFG follows Shell’s decision two years ago to end its joint venture with Calor and decommission its LPG refuelling network. At the time, a spokesperson for the joint venture said, “Customer demand for LPG for domestic transportation has declined due to changing customer preferences and the increasing availability of other lower-carbon fuels.”
Over 1,000 sites in the UK still stock auto-LPG, but it only makes up around 0.2% of UK road fuel demand. Estimates of the number of LPG fuelled vehicles on UK roads are around 100,000. The UK government will phase out the sale of new vehicles powered by autogas. No manufacturers sell pure auto-LPG vehicles in the UK, which means the only way to use it is to convert an engine or install an LPG engine to work in a bi-fuel system.

They miss the fact that do the weekly shop at Morrisons because of the lpg...

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[Minxy]

I'm coming over in a month. Is LPG generally cheaper in the UK or France currently?

Anyone's guess! It keeps changing so the best bet is to use the MyLPGeu app just beforehand and decide then.

 

[WESTY66]

I'm coming over in a month. Is LPG generally cheaper in the UK or France currently?

It’s probably more freely available in France, our local outlets have none

 

[Puddleduck]

LPG is used for heating / cooling via a tank in rural areas. I found our local LPG bulk gas supplier had an LPG pump and only charges the 5 % VAT for domestic use - more for road use of course.

Johnson Oils in Newtown St Boswell just off the A68, go in at the north end and the depot is on the left ... Also Penny Petroleum on the A697 north of Powburn has just re installed their LPG. It's on the truck fuel side near the static park.

 

[JockandRita]

I'm coming over in a month. Is LPG generally cheaper in the UK or France currently?

I'd fill up before coming back, that way you are guaranteed getting it.
Belgium always used to be cheaper than France for GPL/LPG, but obviously it depends which direction you are coming from.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[sbbots]

No problem in Europe, that is why I had gaslow fitted.

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[Scout]

This seems to be a big opportunity for the larger mo ho dealers, fit a bulk tank and increase footfall onto their forecourts, it could lead to more sales than just gas.

 

[Platelet]

As some of you are aware I’m converting a land rover 130 to an expedition vehicle. I WAS considering an underslung tank but after reading this then it’s options time. I need advice on this please as I’m unfamiliar with the setup. Can you get refillable bottles that you can fill away from the vehicle or do they have to be attached and filled by vehicle mounted filler cap? Thanks.

I am seriously thinking of a diesel heater/stove.

 

[Spriddler]

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[LesW]

The issue is people who can't get gas near their homes seem to be worrying..

Last place I filled up was 200 miles away, I pass many opportunities when travelling in the UK... a slight detour is no problem either.

 

[Hymerboy]

I just paid £50 for 13kg.

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