Another bad news thread for LPG

[mikebeaches]

It’s a pity that the independent Andy’s Gas at Cribbs stopped access to their pump at the covid lockdown and has not opened it up again.
I am sure that if both Asda and Morrisons there both stopped, they would be able to attract all MHs with refillables coming anywhere near Bristol and make the pump viable especially if promoted within clubs and on apps. They also do the exchangeable bottles.
Time for clubs to reach out to them? Jim

Bottled Butane & Propane Gas In Bristol (LPG)

"Andy's Gas specialise in the more personal house to house gas deliveries, carrying the heavy gas cylinders up stairs if needed, and fitting the bottled gas to your gas fires for you if you wish, and switching them on for you."

www.andysgas.net

Interesting, I didn't know about Andy's Gas at Cribbs. Shame LPG isn't available for refilling at the moment.

In the past we've used Asda there.

We periodically drive the van to Cribbs Causeway for shopping, because the parking is so easy. Especially in the winter, when we just want to 'turn the wheels' on the van - it's about half an hour from home.

And Sue likes having her own personal changing room when buying clothes at M&S etc. Just whip them back if not suitable.

 

[Orion]

As things stand, with.less demand from cars, you can see why big companies do not want MHs on their forecourts just for gas.

But wouldn’t it also act as a draw for MoHos to also fill up with diesel and do the shopping if it’s adjacent to a retail outlet?

 

[Dorwyn]

You can get hoses with fittings that can connect a standard gas bottle valve to the inlet fitting for your tank. Would only work once your on board tank is empty as the bottle gas effectively vaporises from liquid in the bottle to then flow through the on board inlet and tank.

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So, you could fill up at home? Not legally, I think, but technically.

 

[Kannon Fodda]

So, you could fill up at home? Not legally, I think, but technically.

Not with that type of filling. You'll only get gas vapour to flow from the outside bottle, into your onboard system as the Liquified gas in the bottle evaporates to leave the bottle. That's why these "reserve / emergency" gas supply would only work when your onboard tank is empty, as you are still using the fill point on your vehicle. Disconnect the outside bottle, your onboard tank will remain empty (or just with the vaporised gas) which would last at best a few minutes.

For somehow filling the on board tank you need to transfer the liquid state pressurised gas. That's going to be a completely different set up of hoses, pumps, and all sorts. Not easy, safe, or cheap, as effectively you are replicating the setup of a proper filling station. There are many dodgy videos on places like you tube of people trying to refill by connecting inverted bottles, and that must be a recipe for disaster, and without knowing the regulations I suspect illegal. I've seen systems which were complex enough just working with pressurised gas for mixing scuba dive cylinder mixes, decanting from bottled oxygen and helium, and that was bad enough, when the oxygen mixes created increased risks of flammability to anything in the area along with heat from the compression processes. Effectively home or DIY refilling of LPG on board should not be considered.

 

[Pausim]

I shall do my utmost to avoid being a victim of the highway robbery that Calor seems to get away with for domestic LPG.

I am not usually a Calor defender but right now that statement perhaps needs to be put in context. I have a metered Calor supply from a communal tank. I am paying Calor 45.5p per litre, 1 litre of propane = 7.08kWh therefore it is costing me 6.43p per kWh plus a daily rate of 3.64p. The new average price cap for natural gas is 7.37p per kWh plus a daily rate of 27.22p. Right now I am better off getting my domestic gas from Calor than I would be getting natural gas from the grid. It may not last.

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[nicholsong]

It’s a pity that the independent Andy’s Gas at Cribbs stopped access to their pump at the covid lockdown and has not opened it up again.
I am sure that if both Asda and Morrisons there both stopped, they would be able to attract all MHs with refillables coming anywhere near Bristol and make the pump viable especially if promoted within clubs and on apps. They also do the exchangeable bottles.
Time for clubs to reach out to them? Jim

Bottled Butane & Propane Gas In Bristol (LPG)

"Andy's Gas specialise in the more personal house to house gas deliveries, carrying the heavy gas cylinders up stairs if needed, and fitting the bottled gas to your gas fires for you if you wish, and switching them on for you."

www.andysgas.net

Annie

May I add, for those not familiar with the area, that Cribb's Causeway is very near the intersection of the M4 and M5, so en-route for many people travelling in the West of England and to South Wales.

 

[Dorwyn]

Annie

May I add, for those not familiar with the area, that Cribb's Causeway is very near the intersection of the M4 and M5, so en-route for many people travelling in the West of England and to South Wales.

But Andy's gas is in the lez area anyway? Perhaps, on this time of shortage, we could have a thread where anyone who has found availability, could state time and place. There was a situation a few days ago where a friend returning to Plymouth called In at Cribbs with an empty tank, no gas, Just as someone posted that they had found some at the other supermarket. If Bob had realised. Now he's at home still with his tank empty. Perhaps there is a thread already! There are so many.

 

[WESTY66]

But wouldn’t it also act as a draw for MoHos to also fill up with diesel and do the shopping if it’s adjacent to a retail outlet?

Every time I fill up the refillable gas I guarantee I’ll be throwing over £70.00 minimums worth of diesel in as well

 

[emjaiuk]

Good news for a change. Just filled up at my very first 24/24 GPL pump. Carrefour Market at Pontorson Normandy. Only hiccup payment terminal not giving receipts Croissants as good as a boulongerie as well.

 

[nicholsong]

But Andy's gas is in the lez area anyway? Perhaps, on this time of shortage, we could have a thread where anyone who has found availability, could state time and place. There was a situation a few days ago where a friend returning to Plymouth called In at Cribbs with an empty tank, no gas, Just as someone posted that they had found some at the other supermarket. If Bob had realised. Now he's at home still with his tank empty. Perhaps there is a thread already! There are so many.

Surely not, being that far out of Bristol.

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[Popty]

Hi all, as we are going to Spain in a couple of weeks, does anyone know where l can fill up my domestic lpg tank and my engine lpg tank ( have an rv with petrol engine lpg conversion) been looking on lpg apps, but every where seems to be out of lpg, in and around Oxfordshire, only place en route to Portsmouth is Sutton Scotney, but seems can't get rvs into area to fill up, will need best part of 100 ltr

 

[ManTheVan]

Every time I fill up the refillable gas I guarantee I’ll be throwing over £70.00 minimums worth of diesel in as well

Agreed.

 

[Kannon Fodda]

Hi all, as we are going to Spain in a couple of weeks, does anyone know where l can fill up my domestic lpg tank and my engine lpg tank ( have an rv with petrol engine lpg conversion) been looking on lpg apps, but every where seems to be out of lpg, in and around Oxfordshire, only place en route to Portsmouth is Sutton Scotney, but seems can't get rvs into area to fill up, will need best part of 100 ltr

Esso at Ower, just off M27 J2 had LPG according to filllpg on the 7th Apr. Wouldn't be a massive detour if you are doing A34 / M3/ M27 but turning right at the foot of M3 instead of left to Portsmouth. Google Streetview also shows a pretty large MH against the LPG pump so you should fit. But filllpg does show 107p/litre.

But if it's a couple of weeks before you go, all sorts of places could have been resupplied and run out by then.

 

[Popty]

Esso at Ower, just off M27 J2 had LPG according to filllpg on the 7th Apr. Wouldn't be a massive detour if you are doing A34 / M3/ M27 but turning right at the foot of M3 instead of left to Portsmouth. Google Streetview also shows a pretty large MH against the LPG pump so you should fit. But filllpg does show 107p/litre.

But if it's a couple of weeks before you go, all sorts of places could have been resupplied and run out by then.

Thanks, my local lpg supplier A E Prentice (flogas dealer) has had no bulk lpg for the last 6/7 weeks and he can't even get a delivery date out of flogas, according to them its a driver shortage, and these inconsiderate protesters at fuel terminals don't help the situation

 

[Pausim]

Hi all, as we are going to Spain in a couple of weeks, does anyone know where l can fill up my domestic lpg tank and my engine lpg tank ( have an rv with petrol engine lpg conversion) been looking on lpg apps, but every where seems to be out of lpg, in and around Oxfordshire, only place en route to Portsmouth is Sutton Scotney, but seems can't get rvs into area to fill up, will need best part of 100 ltr

I agree with Kannon Fodda Esso at Ower. I have filled up there a few times and it has good access if your filler is on the left. The pump is on the right hand row which gives you straight in access and a reasonably easy exit. Filllpg shows them as having LPG on 07/04/22. The forecourt is a short distance from the M27 via dual carriageway and roundabout and the diversion from your route not too far.

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[JockandRita]

I shall do my utmost to avoid being a victim of the highway robbery that Calor seems to get away with for domestic LPG.
€15 we paid for a 12Kg Spanish cylinder refill, compared to the £47 Calor charges for a 13Kg refill.

I am not usually a Calor defender but right now that statement perhaps needs to be put in context. I have a metered Calor supply from a communal tank. I am paying Calor 45.5p per litre, 1 litre of propane = 7.08kWh therefore it is costing me 6.43p per kWh plus a daily rate of 3.64p. The new average price cap for natural gas is 7.37p per kWh plus a daily rate of 27.22p. Right now I am better off getting my domestic gas from Calor than I would be getting natural gas from the grid. It may not last.

Whilst I get your drift Paul, by not quoting me in full, my post has been taken out of context, as I was referring to cylinder supplies of domestic LPG (which are extortionately priced by Calor), not bulk tank supplies in the gardens of private properties.

BTW, does the tanker driver fill up your refillable system on the MH for you, when he makes his delivery?

Thanks, my local lpg supplier A E Prentice (flogas dealer) has had no bulk lpg for the last 6/7 weeks

Same at Flogas P/boro.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Pausim]

Thanks, my local lpg supplier A E Prentice (flogas dealer) has had no bulk lpg for the last 6/7 weeks and he can't even get a delivery date out of flogas, according to them its a driver shortage, and these inconsiderate protesters at fuel terminals don't help the situation

Calor and Flogas have been giving priority to domestic customers while they are having delivery problems. Perhaps as the heating season tails off, a bit more might get through to the forecourts.

 

[Pausim]

Whilst I get your drift Paul, by not quoting me in full, my post has been taken out of context, as I was referring to cylinder supplies of domestic LPG (which are extortionately priced by Calor), not bulk tank supplies in the gardens of private properties. ;(

BTW, does the tanker driver fill up your refillable system on the MH for you, when he makes his delivery?

Sorry about the context, I agree the bottles are a rip off.
Unfortunately no I can’t get a motorhome fill at the same time.

 

[cyberyacht]

If I do a reasonable amount of off-grid, even in relatively mild weather, I get through 20L of gas in a fortnight, so even two refillable cylinders will only last a month before supply becomes critical. I currently only have one but no backup. I'm thinking about taking the 5Kg Patio Gas cylinder from the BBQ in the shed.

 

[Pausim]

If I do a reasonable amount of off-grid, even in relatively mild weather, I get through 20L of gas in a fortnight, so even two refillable cylinders will only last a month before supply becomes critical. I currently only have one but no backup. I'm thinking about taking the 5Kg Patio Gas cylinder from the BBQ in the shed.

I find the fridge in my Compactline very gas greedy. I have installed some roof vent fans and hopefully this will improve the situation.

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[Minxy]

I find the fridge in my Compactline very gas greedy. I have installed some roof vent fans and hopefully this will improve the situation.

What fridge have you got? Ours doesn't gobble much, probably a fair bit less than other 3-ways we've had.

 

[Outdoors Dad]

Sorry to sound a bit of a noob but is LPG gas the one in red bottle that says propane?lol

 

[JockandRita]

Unfortunately no I can’t get a motorhome fill at the same time.

Unlucky with that Paul. I have only seen it the once, where a gas tanker driver making domestic bulk tank deliveries, had a proper connection and filler gun, for filling customer's cars/refillable systems.

Sorry to sound a bit of a noob but is LPG gas the one in red bottle that says propane?lol

Red or blue cylinders, it's all LPG, however, blue is Butane with a higher gassing off temperature, with red being Propane, which has a much lower gassing off temperature, making it preferable for winter use. I used Propane all year round, before being able to fill with Autogas.

Cheers,

Jock.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Sorry to sound a bit of a noob but is LPG gas the one in red bottle that says propane?lol

It's all LPG ,liquified petroleum gas,
When we talk about lpg it's normally the gas you buy at the pump. Rather than bottled Calor gas or similar which is generally Propane.( LPG) , which are usually in the red bottles

 

[Pausim]

What fridge have you got? Ours doesn't gobble much, probably a fair bit less than other 3-ways we've had.

145 litre Slimtower which doesn’t perform as well as I had expected. Happy to admit to operator error if you have any suggestions about operation.

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[Reallyretired]

My motorhome storage is next to a bulk lpg depot, owned by the same family. He has offered to refill my mh if I need it (from the tanker apparently) though I have never taken him up on this. I have 2x11Kg Alugas and rarely need to top up more than once a year. We have two nearby filling stations but usually fill abroad where it is much more common and a bit cheaper.

 

[Pausim]

Unlucky with that Paul. I have only seen it the once, where a gas tanker driver making domestic bulk tank deliveries, had a proper connection and filler gun, for filling customer's cars/refillable systems.

Interesting. In truth I haven’t asked but I have to keep my motorhome in storage elsewhere and they turn up un-announced when their remote telemetry tells them the tanks need topping up. Last visit was at night when I was getting ready for bed. A half dressed man looming out of the dark asking for a top up might give the wrong impression.

 

[Basildog]

You can get hoses with fittings that can connect a standard gas bottle valve to the inlet fitting for your tank. Would only work once your on board tank is empty as the bottle gas effectively vaporises from liquid in the bottle to then flow through the on board inlet and tank.

GAS IT Reserve and Emergency Gas Supply Systems - GAS IT Leisure Gas Bottles, Gas Cylinders and Gas Tanks - Catering, Motorhome, Campervan, Caravan, Farrier and Road Repair Refillable Gas Solutions.

GAS IT reserve gas system for use on motorhomes, campervans, vw underslung gas cylinders and gas tanks. GAS IT Refillable Gas bottles, Refillable Gas tanks Gas bottle, alugas and Leisure Gas Tanks Solutions & gas Products for Motorhome's, campervan's Caravan's, Catering, Farrier, Forge and Road...

www.gasit.co.uk

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Not many campsites will let you use a free standing gas cylinder with a high pressure connection hose

 

[Basildog]

So will we.
I do miss our 80ltr bulk tank we had on the Hymer though.

I shall do my utmost to avoid being a victim of the highway robbery that Calor seems to get away with for domestic LPG.
€15 we paid for a 12Kg Spanish cylinder refill, compared to the £47 Calor charges for a 13Kg refill.

Cheers,

Jock.

Spanish lpg cylinder prices are regulated by their government as they are a mainstream domestic fuel supply .
The U.K. cylinders are predominantly used for leisure purposes and a very tiny market in comparison to the Spanish.

 

[Basildog]

I am not usually a Calor defender but right now that statement perhaps needs to be put in context. I have a metered Calor supply from a communal tank. I am paying Calor 45.5p per litre, 1 litre of propane = 7.08kWh therefore it is costing me 6.43p per kWh plus a daily rate of 3.64p. The new average price cap for natural gas is 7.37p per kWh plus a daily rate of 27.22p. Right now I am better off getting my domestic gas from Calor than I would be getting natural gas from the grid. It may not last.

Ask yourself now why Calor and Flogas aren’t supplying a lot of their customers ?
Just like Morrisons who are selling their LPG for less than we are paying for ours

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