90 days or more in Europe

A question ! If I had an Irish and a UK passport and the UK leaves the without a deal resulting in 90 days in every 180 for UK citizens and I wanted to spend say 5 months in the E.U. would I leave and return to the UK on my Irish passport or leave and return using a combination of the 2 passports ? I'm not sure how it would work at the UK port of entry if I turn up with an E.U. Passport ?
 
nicholsong said:
There is a solution for those British with UK passports, or entitled to them.

That is to apply for Residence of a Schengen country. The 90 in 180 day rule would still apply to visits to other Schengen countries, as it does to all Schengen Residents as at present, but would not apply in the chosen country of Residence.

As a UK passport holder one can return to UK for as long as ne wishes.

It would require you to give an address in the chosen country, but I am sure that many have relatives and friends who would be co-operative, although some countries have more stringent requirements than others.

I am in the process of doing that because my OH and I want to stay in Poland long-term.

There could be taxation implications, but if one is taxed in UK and there is a double-taxation agreement in place the effect could be nil. Advice needs to be taken - not just from me. In my case the Polish tax people could demand no more than I pay in UK.

Geoff
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That is exactly what we and many others have done in Portugal.

We have a permanently sited 5'er and the authorities accepted this with a couple of signatures from local Portuguese residents and a couple of trips to local offices. All in all a relatively simple and inexpensive procedure.

Doing this may bring driving licence problems though but I believe that we can now register with the Portuguese health care system
 
nicholsong said:
There is a solution for those British with UK passports, or entitled to them.

That is to apply for Residence of a Schengen country. The 90 in 180 day rule would still apply to visits to other Schengen countries, as it does to all Schengen Residents as at present, but would not apply in the chosen country of Residence.

As a UK passport holder one can return to UK for as long as ne wishes.

It would require you to give an address in the chosen country, but I am sure that many have relatives and friends who would be co-operative, although some countries have more stringent requirements than others.

I am in the process of doing that because my OH and I want to stay in Poland long-term.

There could be taxation implications, but if one is taxed in UK and there is a double-taxation agreement in place the effect could be nil. Advice needs to be taken - not just from me. In my case the Polish tax people could demand no more than I pay in UK.

Geoff
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The problem with that is for instance in Spain and Portugal as soon as you become a resident you can no longer drive your British registered vehicle.
 
matamoros said:
That is exactly what we and many others have done in Portugal.

We have a permanently sited 5'er and the authorities accepted this with a couple of signatures from local Portuguese residents and a couple of trips to local offices. All in all a relatively simple and inexpensive procedure.

Doing this may bring driving licence problems though but I believe that we can now register with the Portuguese health care system
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How do you get around the driving UK registered vehicle part ?

For instance I'd like to buy a small plot of land in Portugal for a winter base , but if I apply as a resident I can't then drive my motorhome in Portugal as it's UK registered

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romany said:
You missed the bit that singles could marry someone in the EU then no probs(y)

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find a distant Irish relative and apply for your Irish pass port
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How distant?
 
Northernraider said:
How do you get around the driving UK registered vehicle part ?

For instance I'd like to buy a small plot of land in Portugal for a winter base , but if I apply as a resident I can't then drive my motorhome in Portugal as it's UK registered
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Don't think that there is a way to do it officially but my thinking goes like this:

Portuguese driving licence, UK reg vehicle would be immediately obvious to even the most dim witted policeman.

UK driving licence, UK reg vehicle would require some further investigation to ascertain that I have Portuguese residency, not too difficult I would assume but not immediately obvious.

There are obviously risks with this strategy but I have been touring in Europe for 30 years and been asked to produce my documents once and I will overcome any problems as they may arise.

'Everything passes, everything changes, just do what you think you should do'...Bob Dylan
 
My husband was born in Belfast, so is entitled to an Irish passport as are our children and grandchildren. Not sure about me!
 
big map said:
How distant?
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Grandparent born in Ireland.

Or great grandparent born in Ireland AND your parent applied for Irish citizenship for themselves prior to your birth.

I looked hard into this.

Or you can bung the Cypriots, Bulgarians or Maltese £500k.

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PhilandMena said:
A question ! If I had an Irish and a UK passport and the UK leaves the without a deal resulting in 90 days in every 180 for UK citizens and I wanted to spend say 5 months in the E.U. would I leave and return to the UK on my Irish passport or leave and return using a combination of the 2 passports ? I'm not sure how it would work at the UK port of entry if I turn up with an E.U. Passport ?
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I think you’d use your Irish passport. That’s the one that gives your more rights in the EU.

I certainly wouldn’t use a mix. Otherwise the passport that you left on would soon identify you as an overstayer and could rack up a fine and ultimately prevent up using it to travel back in to the Schengen zone in future.
 
Glas Robin said:
Grandparent born in Ireland.

Or great grandparent born in Ireland AND your parent applied for Irish citizenship for themselves prior to your birth.

I looked hard into this.

Or you can bung the Cypriots, Bulgarians or Maltese £500k.
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So an Irish step mother wouldn’t count then?
 
matamoros said:
Don't think that there is a way to do it officially but my thinking goes like this:

Portuguese driving licence, UK reg vehicle would be immediately obvious to even the most dim witted policeman.

UK driving licence, UK reg vehicle would require some further investigation to ascertain that I have Portuguese residency, not too difficult I would assume but not immediately obvious.

There are obviously risks with this strategy but I have been touring in Europe for 30 years and been asked to produce my documents once and I will overcome any problems as they may arise.

'Everything passes, everything changes, just do what you think you should do'...Bob Dylan
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I suppose that's a good point as I've also only been asked for my registration docs once and never my licence.

Hmmm
 
Glas Robin said:
Grandparent born in Ireland.

Or great grandparent born in Ireland AND your parent applied for Irish citizenship for themselves prior to your birth.

I looked hard into this.

Or you can bung the Cypriots, Bulgarians or Maltese £500k.
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My gran was Irish but born in Scotland unfortunately, my great gran was born in Ireland but my mum hasnt applied for Irish passport so I'm scuppered

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I have spent the last hour or so reading every post on this thread and I’m surprised at the negativity. We are and always will be Europeans: fact. We are still the fifth biggest economy in the world: fact. We will all survive Brexit because we have to; life will go on: fact. Now, EllM (the OP) asked about how we may be effected by Brexit and the only answer can be that we don’t know. All I can comment on is the absolute fact that mainland Europe makes a huge amount of money from British tourism (not just from MHers, we’re the thin end of the wedge), and I don’t think the member states will want to upset that balance in any way. Holidays in Europe have got progressively more expensive over the last 20 years which is why my family and many of my friends now choose to holiday outside Europe. To start applying tourism taxes would just be plain daft in exactly the same way it would be to enforce the time spent within the Schengen bloc to 90 days. All this would do is force the MHer to carry on as planned but spending money in another country. Hopefully, common sense (on both sides) will prevail. Hey! Motorhome Fun! The clue is in the name.
 
can anyone advise on this -

short one day trip to france in January to start the 180 day rolling process allows for a further 89 days within the next 180 days - so all of May, June and most of July - then return to the uk at some stage before the 180 days is up.

does the next 180 days start immediately after the initial 180 days or does it begin when you actually set foot on foreign shores?

effectively using my example you could return on day 181 and still enjoy most of august and september - not sure how it would work for subsequent years but using my example it would give 179 days on foreign shores during the summer months?

anyone else come to the same conclusion?

this post is not about the merits of spending time 'abroad' - its about seeing if the sums in the process add up !

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Jay Butts said:
I have spent the last hour or so reading every post on this thread and I’m surprised at the negativity. We are and always will be Europeans: fact. We are still the fifth biggest economy in the world: fact. We will all survive Brexit because we have to; life will go on: fact. Now, EllM (the OP) asked about how we may be effected by Brexit and the only answer can be that we don’t know. All I can comment on is the absolute fact that mainland Europe makes a huge amount of money from British tourism (not just from MHers, we’re the thin end of the wedge), and I don’t think the member states will want to upset that balance in any way. Holidays in Europe have got progressively more expensive over the last 20 years which is why my family and many of my friends now choose to holiday outside Europe. To start applying tourism taxes would just be plain daft in exactly the same way it would be to enforce the time spent within the Schengen bloc to 90 days. All this would do is force the MHer to carry on as planned but spending money in another country. Hopefully, common sense (on both sides) will prevail. Hey! Motorhome Fun! The clue is in the name.
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I can only conclude that you missed a thread or two? Otherwise you would have read off the treatment of Australian and Kiwi tourists, fines and deportation - or does their spend not have as much impact as ours?
 
PhilandMena said:
Nine posts from me deleted on this thread. I'm off to the naughty step now. :tmi:
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How do you know? Is there a way of finding out or do you just have a photographpic memory?

ian
 
I posted this very idea earlier in the thread. Pointed out later that the idea does not work. You, like me was looking forward, whereas the rule looks backwards. Look in the early bits of the thread and follow the link to the Schengen calculator.

Its certainly buggered up my plans!
 
MisterB said:
can anyone advise on this -

short one day trip to france in January to start the 180 day rolling process allows for a further 89 days within the next 180 days - so all of May, June and most of July - then return to the uk at some stage before the 180 days is up.

does the next 180 days start immediately after the initial 180 days or does it begin when you actually set foot on foreign shores?

effectively using my example you could return on day 181 and still enjoy most of august and september - not sure how it would work for subsequent years but using my example it would give 179 days on foreign shores during the summer months?

anyone else come to the same conclusion?

this post is not about the merits of spending time 'abroad' - its about seeing if the sums in the process add up !
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As I understand it, it’s a rolling 180 days.

The start date of the rolling 180 days is not fixed, it changes with every day that passes.

Ian

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Glas Robin said:
I think you’d use your Irish passport. That’s the one that gives your more rights in the EU.

I certainly wouldn’t use a mix. Otherwise the passport that you left on would soon identify you as an overstayer and could rack up a fine and ultimately prevent up using it to travel back in to the Schengen zone in future.
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Thanks for that ! I thought there might be an issue if I leave and return to the UK on a E.U. passport whilst still being a British citizen. Free movement will not apply to E.U. passport holders so I cant figure out how I can just come and go from the UK on one. ??
 
Paddywack said:
I can only conclude that you missed a thread or two? Otherwise you would have read off the treatment of Australian and Kiwi tourists, fines and deportation - or does their spend not have as much impact as ours?
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What has it got to do with Australia or New Zealand when their combined GDP is about one quarter of ours. There is more people living inside the M25 than Australia and Europe makes how much from these countries? Do you actually know the money the European mainland makes from GB alone? The money brought in by the countries you are supporting is pin money. They get treated badly because they have abused every system available for years as did those you are defending... please do not state opinion as fact.
The British spent £33b on tourism in 2017, I can’t even find the figures on the Australians and Kiwis..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/british-tourists-spend-33bn-a-year-in-europe-hl7bwvjc7
 
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