90 days or more in Europe

[gus-lopez]

Good that they seem to people sorted, according to reports on the good old BBC News, pets will not be able to enter Ireland other than at Dublin airport and the ferry ports of Rosslare and Cork.

Nothing to do with EU as the citizens of Eire have always had the right to enter & exit the Uk as they liked.

lovely and sunny today in cornwall and warm.

Steady on Alan, depends on your definition of "warm"

If you become a resident in spain or Portugal you can then no longer drive a vehicle registered in the UK

That's what I've been told

True.

We even considered my wife getting her French passport to which she is entitled. That would work for her but not me as her husband, still restricted to the 90 in 180.

Can't see the problem? If she obtains her French passport as an EU citizen she would have the right to take her third country spouse & family members wherever she wants. Eu rules.

It's 90 days max in then out for 90 days then you can be in another 90 days

So it's useless for those wishing to stay from October to March in Europe

But although the same for EU citizens it worked well as it was a calendar year so over wintering wasn't a problem

 

[Mikeco]

We have been going to Spain for the last 13 years in Winter and for the last 8 years or so for 6 months, Oct 1 to the end of March. Still at home at the moment but have changed the ferry to December 27 and will stay either 90 days or if possible extend it to perhaps 4 months.

 

[Armytwowheels]

Spare a thought for the ones like me who have only in the last 2 years started to do Long term travel.
And for all the younger ones who used to take 6 months or a year out to travel.

Yes I do feel for folks who have planned to take time out, or just started doing do. We have only been doing long term for 5 years this year.

No matter how you look at the '90 days in every 180', it means spending cold damp months in the UK. I am not ready to go back into a house, but I am definitly not ready to live in a camper through the British winter. Still, I am grateful for the last 5 years, even though we earned it for ourselves.

 

[AXO66]

You

As I understand it, you are allowed 90 days and then you must return to your country of residence for 90 days then you can have another 90 days in the Schengan area. This is the rule at present but, it is not currently enforced. I feel it will be enforced once we leave, your passport is scanned on entry and again on exit and if you have overstayed you may get a fine or even a refused entry on your next visit. It’s all well and good people saying they won’t do it why would they not issue a fine as it’s easy money, just look at the way they are now pursuing speeding fines.

And your passport might be stamped “illegal immigrant “ if you stay in well over your 90 days.
It will all be policed at the border.
Stamped In , Stamped out
Just the same for American Australian New Zealand Chinese’s visitors to the EU
What a shame , nice and simples at the moment.

 

[tuscancouple]

Humble Apologies for picking up on this,

Well spotted Peter, made me smile too...........finger trouble, however cloud commuting does sound cool

Back on the topic, I don't think any plans should be made yet as no one knows what the bottom line will be until we're out, with a deal, what is that deal or no deal and who knows what that will mean.

I'd suggest you just sit tight and carry on as usual until some firm, offical info becomes available.

Mick

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[2657]

Also those of us that worked hard and used our noggin which allows for an early retirement.

And what about those without much of a 'noggin' that also worked hard in low paid jobs without the capability to save and retire early?

 

[whingyraindrop]

This thread is depressing me too much. A huge life style change is potentially on the cards and I am not ready for it. ??

Yep, me too.

Lorraine

 

[bigtwin]

And what about those without much of a 'noggin' that also worked hard in low paid jobs without the capability to save and retire early?

It’s called life. Nowhere does it say it should be fair.

Ian

 

[bigtwin]

I don't think you are right. It's not a rolling 180 day assessment (not too sure what that means)

There is a strict 90 in 180 day rule. As I understand it you cant borrow days from a future period or carry forward days from a past period.

When do you believe the 180 day period starts?

Ian

 

[Armytwowheels]

And what about those without much of a 'noggin' that also worked hard in low paid jobs without the capability to save and retire early?

Yep, it's going to effect them too.

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[carolyn]

When do you believe the 180 day period starts?

Ian

Might be as soon as 1st of November.

 

[tuscancouple]

When do you believe the 180 day period starts?

From the Schengen website:

"Actually, the 180-day period keeps rolling. Therefore, anytime you wish to enter the Schengen, you just have to count backwards the last 180 days, and see if you have been present in the Schengen for more than 90 days throughout that period.
Check the Schengen visa calculator to calculate the remaining number of days that you can stay in the Schengen zone."

Mick

 

[2657]

It’s called life. Nowhere does it say it should be fair.

Ian

I think you may find many socialist philosophies think that it should?

Yep, it's going to effect them too.

It may well do but not to the same extent as those who have had the good fortune to have a ' noggin' and the wherewithal to make use of it.
Those who have had such good fortune should reflect on that good fortune and not make smug remarks about how clever and hard working they have been when many hard working people do not have similar opportunities.

 

[Jenben]

I think you may find many socialist philosophies think that it should?

It may well do but not to the same extent as those who have had the good fortune to have a ' noggin' and the wherewithal to make use of it.
Those who have had such good fortune should reflect on that good fortune and not make smug remarks about how clever and hard working they have been when many hard working people do not have similar opportunities.

I feel you have misinterpreted the sentiment of Armytwowheels post to be honest, she is not someone who makes smug remarks or was trying to score points.

 

[bungy]

I feel you have misinterpreted the sentiment of Armytwowheels post to be honest, she is not someone who makes smug remarks or was trying to score points.

Was just thinking the same...cant really see how one post has led to the other!

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[Vipar]

I recon that your insurance will be void if you overstayed. Not worth the risk for me.

 

[Northernraider]

I recon that your insurance will be void if you overstayed. Not worth the risk for me.

Depends if they change it

My insurance currently gives me 365 days European cover ....Not European union cover and when I renewed I'm August I asked again how brexit may affect it and they said it's European cover not eu cover.

So not sure if it will change or not

Some only offer 90 days ...the insurance I had on my scooter last year for instance

 

[Brakers]

I feel you have misinterpreted the sentiment of @Armytwowheels post to be honest, she is not someone who makes smug remarks or was trying to score points.

This just shows you how the typed word can and does get miss understood, it's happened to me and I'm sure to others. I'm sure if Armytwowheels had spoken those words they would have been taken in a different context.

 

[Brakers]

It's a shame the 90 days can't be yearly, i.e. Oct to December 2019 then Jan to March 2020 trouble with that it will bugger you up for the winter break in 2020/21 or would it I've just re though that. LOL
Best wishes Tony

 

[2657]

I feel you have misinterpreted the sentiment of Armytwowheels post to be honest, she is not someone who makes smug remarks or was trying to score points.

I hope that you are right but when I see comments about how hard people have worked etc I think of the many people who also work hard but will never be able to retire early etc.

Those of us who have managed this should be thankful for the opportunities that we have had and the ability to make use of them.

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[bigtwin]

I don’t understand your problem. Isn’t it a rolling 180 day assessment period?
Your typical pattern doesn’t violate that; does it?

I don't think you are right. It's not a rolling 180 day assessment (not too sure what that means)

There is a strict 90 in 180 day rule. As I understand it you cant borrow days from a future period or carry forward days from a past period.

From the Schengen website:

"Actually, the 180-day period keeps rolling. Therefore, anytime you wish to enter the Schengen, you just have to count backwards the last 180 days, and see if you have been present in the Schengen for more than 90 days throughout that period.
Check the Schengen visa calculator to calculate the remaining number of days that you can stay in the Schengen zone."

Does this help Manxcat?

Ian

 

[Armytwowheels]

I think you may find many socialist philosophies think that it should?

It may well do but not to the same extent as those who have had the good fortune to have a ' noggin' and the wherewithal to make use of it.
Those who have had such good fortune should reflect on that good fortune and not make smug remarks about how clever and hard working they have been when many hard working people do not have similar opportunities.

You have obviously taken offence at my remarks and that is up to you. I was not intending to be smug at all. However, I am quite proud of how we have worked and organised our lives to be able to do what we do, if you resent that, again that is up to you. We did not have highly paid jobs which enabled us to save a lot of money, we invested what we did have, which now works for us.

Some people look at things differently and have a different set of prioritise. Ours was to have as much freedom as possible, while we were young enough and healthy enough to enjoy that freedom.

I saw my Dad die at 65, he didn't collect a single pension payment and he had worked so hard to set himself up for a good retirement. My stepfather died 5 years after retiring, at least he had that time. Going through those two emotional times taught me one thing - make the most of your life while you can, you never know what's around the corner.......except for bloody Brexit, we know that's around the corner! Which is what this thread was about - how will impact on our motorhoming life, not picking fault with other people's outlook.

 

[Aubs]

Could anyone clarify if I would be able to do this. I’m planning to go to Europe (Schengen zone) At the end October for 60days then back to UK for 30 days in January and heading back to Europe making my way over 10days down to Croatia/ Bosnia (non Schengen country) where I intend to stay for 60days heading back into the schengen zone for 110days.
To my understanding I will have spent 90 days in the Schengen zone in the first 180 day rolling period and the clock would then reset allowing me to do another 90 days straight.

Hope all that makes sense.

 

[tuscancouple]

Could anyone clarify if I would be able to do this.

Put your dates into the calculator it will give you the answer
Mick

 

[2657]

You have obviously taken offence at my remarks and that is up to you. I was not intending to be smug at all. However, I am quite proud of how we have worked and organised our lives to be able to do what we do, if you resent that, again that is up to you. We did not have highly paid jobs which enabled us to save a lot of money, we invested what we did have, which now works for us.

Some people look at things differently and have a different set of prioritise. Ours was to have as much freedom as possible, while we were young enough and healthy enough to enjoy that freedom.

I saw my Dad die at 65, he didn't collect a single pension payment and he had worked so hard to set himself up for a good retirement. My stepfather died 5 years after retiring, at least he had that time. Going through those two emotional times taught me one thing - make the most of your life while you can, you never know what's around the corner.......except for bloody Brexit, we know that's around the corner! Which is what this thread was about - how will impact on our motorhoming life, not picking fault with other people's outlook.

I think that there has been a misunderstanding on both our parts, I have not taken offence and fully appreciate your values and outlook, ours are very much the same and by the look of things from similar life experiences.

You are rightly proud of how you have organised your life to be able to achieve your goals, as are we, but the point that I am attempting to make is that many very hard working people do not have the ability or 'nouse' to plan and organise their lives through no fault of their own.

I am sorry but when I see posts about working hard to get this or that it smacks of smugness for the reasons that I have previously stated

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[Allanm]

Could anyone clarify if I would be able to do this. I’m planning to go to Europe (Schengen zone) At the end October for 60days then back to UK for 30 days in January and heading back to Europe making my way over 10days down to Croatia/ Bosnia (non Schengen country) where I intend to stay for 60days heading back into the schengen zone for 110days.
To my understanding I will have spent 90 days in the Schengen zone in the first 180 day rolling period and the clock would then reset allowing me to do another 90 days straight.


Hope all that makes sense.

As above, you will need to check on the calculator.
What certainly won’t be possible is the 110 straight days in the Schengen zone. You are allowed 90 days maximum per 180 days. 110 days is over the maximum allowed period. You can’t borrow days from future stays.

 

[ShaKen]

I very much doubt that the French have the technology to connect with the other entry exit points around the EU, its a lot of Kilometres when you think about it. Can they even link up with the UK entry points to the mainland, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium etc? I doubt there is either the method or the inclination to develop it for the relatively few tourists that will overstay.

I think there is a lot of misinformation re the ability to check this.

I work in technology, and even if they don’t have a system to do it now, I could have a European wide system to check this in probably a week tops (OK fair enough - knowing public sector it will take 10 times longer than that, but honestly from scratch they could have a pan European solution, multilingual in no more than 3 months).

It’s amazing what cloud computing and a browser can do.

 

[busby]

As I understand it, you are allowed 90 days and then you must return to your country of residence for 90 days then you can have another 90 days in the Schengan area. This is the rule at present but, it is not currently enforced. I feel it will be enforced once we leave, your passport is scanned on entry and again on exit and if you have overstayed you may get a fine or even a refused entry on your next visit. It’s all well and good people saying they won’t do it why would they not issue a fine as it’s easy money, just look at the way they are now pursuing speeding fines.

Of course this will be the same for tourists visiting uk.BUSBY.

 

[busby]

As above, you will need to check on the calculator.
What certainly won’t be possible is the 110 straight days in the Schengen zone. You are allowed 90 days maximum per 180 days. 110 days is over the maximum allowed period. You can’t borrow days from future stays.

Well we had a NZ couple posting on this Forum not long ago who spent 2 years touring Europe.How did they get away with it..Stop worrying,,it will never happen.BUSBY
?

 

[Brakers]

Well we had a NZ couple posting on this Forum not long ago who spent 2 years touring Europe.How did they get away with

Obviously they were not concerned with that as they were probably never ever going to come back to the EU, it was probably a once in a lifetime trip for them, so who cares if they are banned from re entering the EU I'm sure they won't be .
Best Wishes Tony

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