90 days or more in Europe

[Chris]

I might overstay my time in France to get a 5 year ban.

What’s not to like?

 

[Northernraider]

We have been in France 30 days now, seen about 10 police in passing, once you are there who is going to know how long you have been there especially if you do a week or two in Spain or somewhere.

Because your passport is checked leaving UK and checked returning to UK

At the minute no one cares
But they may care more after brexit

Who knows

Its why I'm not rushing in to buying a plot of land because if I can only use it 90 days it's not worth it.

 

[Northernraider]

You have to wonder why people voted for this

 

[jumartoo]

I might overstay my time in France to get a 5 year ban.

What’s not to like?

But then you can't go to San Miguel country also!

 

[DerryW]

Have a look here, all the rules, calculator, etc in one place:

Schengen Area and Visa Requirements: Comprehensive Information for Travelers

Discover everything you need to know about the Schengen Area and Schengen Visa requirements. Your ultimate guide for hassle-free travel across Europe.

www.schengenvisainfo.com

Mick

Thanks Mick. Looks like a 1 or 3 year MEV then.

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[Offagain]

Anyone planning to go to Europe for more than 90 days after we leave the EU?

Yes

It is possible to have residency in an EU country without having a passport or citizenship for that country.

True

Residency means you are treated as a 'National' of that country for taxation purposes, not a path to follow just for an extended holiday.

Robert

Not true.
We have residency permits for Greece as we spend, and intend to continue to spend, several months at a time there on our boat. This means we still have the 90/180 days which we can spend in the motor home travelling around the rest of the EU.
gus-lopez explained the 183 days taxation rule in post #59

 

[vwalan]

You have to wonder why people voted for this View attachment 337307

dont forget that while you may say its free zone it also puts limits on other areas regards trading etc . but never mind its getting to expensive anyway in most of the eu.
most food and clothing etc can be bought cheaper here in uk.
you may have to just spend more time in the uk traveling around.
lovely and sunny today in cornwall and warm.

 

[Northernraider]

Yes


True


Not true.
We have residency permits for Greece as we spend, and intend to continue to spend, several months at a time there on our boat. This means we still have the 90/180 days which we can spend in the motor home travelling around the rest of the EU.
gus-lopez explained the 183 days taxation rule in post #59

If you become a resident in spain or Portugal you can then no longer drive a vehicle registered in the UK

That's what I've been told

 

[Northernraider]

dont forget that while you may say its free zone it also puts limits on other areas regards trading etc . but never mind its getting to expensive anyway in most of the eu.
most food and clothing etc can be bought cheaper here in uk.
you may have to just spend more time in the uk traveling around.
lovely and sunny today in cornwall and warm.

Yes but the stuff we buy from the eu is delivered by road in a few days.

6 weeks by ship from the states or expensive via air

 

[Manxcat]

Grr

This whole thing has been stressing us for the past 2 years. We even considered my wife getting her French passport to which she is entitled. That would work for her but not me as her husband, still restricted to the 90 in 180.

I have even been in email communication with the EU Commission they have confirmed the rules. We like to do 2 eight week trips a year, typically April/May then September/October. The only way I can see that we will be able to do this is by doing a day trip or short break in early January to start the clock. That 180 day period would early July when we would need to do another short break to restart the clock again. This would work but the cost is 2 extra trips to the EU.

Grr .....

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[bigtwin]

Grr

This whole thing has been stressing us for the past 2 years. We even considered my wife getting her French passport to which she is entitled. That would work for her but not me as her husband, still restricted to the 90 in 180.

I have even been in email communication with the EU Commission they have confirmed the rules. We like to do 2 eight week trips a year, typically April/May then September/October. The only way I can see that we will be able to do this is by doing a day trip or short break in early January to start the clock. That 180 day period would early July when we would need to do another short break to restart the clock again. This would work but the cost is 2 extra trips to the EU.

Grr .....

I don’t understand your problem. Isn’t it a rolling 180 day assessment period?
Your typical pattern doesn’t violate that; does it?

Ian

 

[Manxcat]

I don't think you are right. It's not a rolling 180 day assessment (not too sure what that means)

There is a strict 90 in 180 day rule. As I understand it you cant borrow days from a future period or carry forward days from a past period.

 

[Northernraider]

It's 90 days max in then out for 90 days then you can be in another 90 days

So it's useless for those wishing to stay from October to March in Europe

 

[PeteH]

Think of cloud comuting.

Humble Apologies for picking up on this, because it is an obvious bit of "finger error". But when I looked at it I had to laugh at the thought of comuting by cloud, Could it be the way forward?. No crowded trains or Roads?. I comend the idea to the House!. Sort of "beam me up Scotty"?.

As for the EU post any Brexit. Might I suggest that when the dust settles, we will likely finish up with a scheme not unlike the USA. Where one obtains a 10 year Visa, allowing unrestricted travel (But NOT Work, which requires a Green Card) for up to 180days. At the end of which you must return to your country of origin.

 

[Littlewheels]

It's a networked computer system across the Schengen zone, easy!

These types of systems have been around for years, not even clever these days. Think of cloud comuting.

Mick

Yes, they are that good Criminals of all nationalities are criss crossing the borders without a care in the world.
Additionally,I’m sorry but have you seen the level of the individuals on border duties and lack of competence.
There is no way they will be able to control the numbers that move about these days.

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[Pete5996]

Grr

This whole thing has been stressing us for the past 2 years. We even considered my wife getting her French passport to which she is entitled. That would work for her but not me as her husband, still restricted to the 90 in 180.

I have even been in email communication with the EU Commission they have confirmed the rules. We like to do 2 eight week trips a year, typically April/May then September/October. The only way I can see that we will be able to do this is by doing a day trip or short break in early January to start the clock. That 180 day period would early July when we would need to do another short break to restart the clock again. This would work but the cost is 2 extra trips to the EU.

Grr .....

You'll not have a problem with your normal pattern, based on 2 x 8 week stays:

I have to say that it seems an awful lot of people still seem to be in denial about future travel arrangements.

Given that our leader, having thrown teddy out of the pram, seems to be planning to disrupt the running of the EU at the earliest opportunity, can anyone offer a good reason why the British should be treated any differently from other Third Country Nationals in future?

Of course, whatever he achieves, it won't have an impact on him - just Joe Public as ever....

 

[Littlewheels]

You have to wonder why people voted for this View attachment 337307

Please don’t posts that make perfect sense it’s a bit too much for many to understand.

 

[Speve]

That 180 day period would early July when we would need to do another short break to restart the clock again. This would work but the cost is 2 extra trips to the EU

Shouldn’t be a problem as from Apri1st to end of 180 days is end of August and Sept 1st would be start of another 180 which would take you till end of Feb so your months away work in well.???

 

[Northernraider]

Please don’t posts that make perfect sense it’s a bit too much for many to understand.

I find the whole thing upsetting to be honest. I can't understand why people want to go backwards, I've heard the argument about immigrants but it seems to be people outside of the eu they object to most which we will still get , and I've heard the argument about how much money we pay to Europe but we actually get more in return. So really I have to go with the conclusion that many haven't a clue what they voted for and as a result have just put more restrictions on ourselves.

 

[Drexxer]

Please don’t posts that make perfect sense it’s a bit too much for many to understand.

And again in English please

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[Littlewheels]

And again in English please

Predictive spelling should read “ don’t “post post’s” you got the drift. Or have you got nothing better to do.

 

[tacr2man]

How many people is the 90 in 180 actually going to affect ? Most people are lucky to get 14 days in 180 .
Its only a big problem for a lucky few that are very over represented due to the type of forum this is . JMHO

 

[jumartoo]

How many people is the 90 in 180 actually going to affect ? Most people are lucky to get 14 days in 180 .
Its only a big problem for a lucky few that are very over represented due to the type of forum this is . JMHO

And holiday home owners.

 

[SpeedyDux]

We have been in France 30 days now, seen about 10 police in passing, once you are there who is going to know how long you have been there especially if you do a week or two in Spain or somewhere.

From speaking to the locals we undertand that the Flics definitely keep an eye on the Traveller encampments especially the unauthorised ones. With more Travellers now using MHs instead of caravans, sooner or later the Flics are going to realise they need to look more closely at MHs with GB plates.

 

[Armytwowheels]

How many people is the 90 in 180 actually going to affect ? Most people are lucky to get 14 days in 180 .
Its only a big problem for a lucky few that are very over represented due to the type of forum this is . JMHO

Also those of us that worked hard and used our noggin which allows for an early retirement.

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[chaser]

From speaking to the locals we undertand that the Flics definitely keep an eye on the Traveller encampments especially the unauthorised ones. With more Travellers now using MHs instead of caravans, sooner or later the Flics are going to realise they need to look more closely at MHs with GB plates.

We passed one roadblock , the gendarm stepped out with his stick but as soon as. He saw our reg he just stepped back as we went past.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Technically, anyone's visa that has expired is also an illegal immigrant.

It looks like that all of us that have stayed beyond the 90 of 180 day limit have already breached our visas in the existing setup. It's very rare (although not unheard of) that this causes an issue now. After Brexit, who knows?

The official EU terminology is now "irregular migrant". Nobody is allowed to say "illegal immigrant" any longer. Terribly non-PC.

 

[vwalan]

It's 90 days max in then out for 90 days then you can be in another 90 days

So it's useless for those wishing to stay from October to March in Europe

just do 44 days in eu then off to morocco or tunisia for 90 days then back to finish the 90 days in eu.
any of us have been doing it for years anyway. after all only need 5-6 months work to have payed enough pension money then off we go.
was different but similar years ago when my parents took us away for long winter trips in their camper or the bus my dad had.

 

[Armytwowheels]

This thread is depressing me too much. A huge life style change is potentially on the cards and I am not ready for it. ??

 

[Northernraider]

This thread is depressing me too much. A huge life style change is potentially on the cards and I am not ready for it. ??

Spare a thought for the ones like me who have only in the last 2 years started to do Long term travel.
And for all the younger ones who used to take 6 months or a year out to travel.

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