90 days or more in Europe

As I understand it, you are allowed 90 days and then you must return to your country of residence for 90 days then you can have another 90 days in the Schengan area. This is the rule at present but, it is not currently enforced. I feel it will be enforced once we leave, your passport is scanned on entry and again on exit and if you have overstayed you may get a fine or even a refused entry on your next visit. It’s all well and good people saying they won’t do it why would they not issue a fine as it’s easy money, just look at the way they are now pursuing speeding fines.
 
Comprehensive exit and entry checks have been carried out since 2015. Passports are chipped and they are scanned at entry and exit ports. Passengers are also required to complete Advance Passenger Information (API) forms prior to travel, this includes name, date of birth, passport number and the date and country of issue. When I leave any port my passport is scanned. On my return from France a few weeks ago, the customs officer was able to see how long I had been out of the U.K. This has been the case for several years.
The technology is currently in use. Enforcing the legislation will not be difficult.

Lorraine
 
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chaser said:
Can't really see them looking for two folks in a campervan, why would it come up?
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spitfire said:
It is more an issue with entry and exit.
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Coming from the uk your reg is captured on entry or as part of the entry process. From then on its simply a database look up, qnd your also captured on return

They are not (or will not) be looking for two folks in a campervan, the system is just looking for any registrations that have been in the area for any time greater than that allowed, if that happens to be two folks in a campervan then so be it. They may not hunt you down once its flagged, but you still need to return to the uk at some point if you live there, and thats when they will ping you and issue a ban on returning

Not forgetting the eu probably has systems like this in place already as there is a huge border in the east and south which has traffic coming and going daily.

Edit..plus the passport stuff above from lorraine
 
I'm sorry, but why would they want you, what about all the illegal immigrants that are in the country , how long have they been there , they just build camps for them, you would be spending money there, I just can't see the slightest problem.

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chaser said:
I'm sorry, but why would they want you, what about all the illegal immigrants that are in the country , how long have they been there , they just build camps for them, you would be spending money there, I just can't see the slightest problem.
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Technically, anyone's visa that has expired is also an illegal immigrant.

It looks like that all of us that have stayed beyond the 90 of 180 day limit have already breached our visas in the existing setup. It's very rare (although not unheard of) that this causes an issue now. After Brexit, who knows?
 
They can’t fine illegals as they don’t have any money so they would only end up in an overcrowded jail. We would be easy money a simple check on exit. We all know how pedantic French officials can be.
 
I just hope I stay healthy enough and stay alive long enough to give it a go, we have done 4 weeks at a time for the last five years and have said this time that if we get to go next year it will be an open ended trip, just to try it out.
 
chaser said:
I'm sorry, but why would they want you, what about all the illegal immigrants that are in the country , how long have they been there , they just build camps for them, you would be spending money there, I just can't see the slightest problem.
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They will ‘want me’ if my actions are unlawful. Just as if I exceed a speed limit, park on a double yellow line etc. The fines are likely to arrive in the post in the same way and to be subject to the same vigorous enforcement. There may be some transitional period but that depends on details of any ‘deal’, and is not yet known.

Lorraine

Ps my trips to Europe have almost always been longer than 90 days. I currently have four trips planned for next year. Two for less than 14 days and two for more than 90 days. It appears likely that I will need to change my plans.

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Fairly certain the time you enter and leave the E.U. will be monitored (So easy to do at entry and exit ports) and penalised if you overstay your entitlement. If we leave without a deal, the French for one will be seeking some form of legal retaliation.
 
jongood said:
I very much doubt that the French have the technology to connect with the other entry exit points around the EU, its a lot of Kilometres when you think about it. Can they even link up with the UK entry points to the mainland, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium etc? I doubt there is either the method or the inclination to develop it for the relatively few tourists that will overstay.
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Don’t under estimate French technology, what they do now will be entirely different when the UK leaves.
This is my take on it after a bit of research. I think people travelling to the EU in the future can expect more checks on them and thinking it won’t happen really isn’t the thing to do. It appears that all EU borders are linked electronically and non EU visitors will be registered on an EU wide database to ensure they do not overstay in the Schengen areas. Maybe you will be able to get a visa for longer stays but generally I think you will need a better excuse than an extended holiday to stay.

We have been through many toll booths and normal roads in France Spain and Portugal where Police and Custom checks have been set up.
I think we can expect more of these as well as Customs vehicles doing random checks at service stations, shopping areas campsites and aires and especially Cite Europe!
tacr2man said:
What happens with ROI as we have a bilateral agreement if you visit Ireland (Rep) for 89 days are you only allowed 1 day in rest of Europe ?
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Possibly.
The ROI is an EU country so generally, the 90 day rule will still apply. You may get special dispensation if you work and live in different sides of the border and this may not count towards your 90 days. Time will tell, it all depends on how the UK leaves.

The decision to end free movement will certainly change your right to visit and stay in places outside the UK.

Again, after some research I found this and the tone of the article did seem to make it clear that overstaying in the EU in future will be met with consequences. It may seem insignificant to some and not worth worrying about, but when you return to the UK you will be caught out. They will log you both ways and if you are found to have overstayed you could be fined or refused re entry to the EU or both, or nothing!
I suppose we will have to wait and see what happens to the first person to overstay as they try to get back home.
 
Allanm said:
They will log you both ways and if you are found to have overstayed you could be fined or refused re entry to the EU or both, or nothing!
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Couldn't agree more! People are either being naive, ignorant of the laws or don't care, but they will be checked going into any entry point for the Schenegen zone, and the same when they leave, particularly if we leave the EU with no deal . Technology will take care of the checking, ANPR etc and if they have over stayed the 90 in 180 rule there will be some consequence. We are already checked in and out of the UK, won't be to difficult to do the same going in and out of the Schenegen zone.

It will not matter how much money is spent by a tourist, whether they have a house in France, etc, it is a law, 90 days in 180 days, simple. It will be administered when the UK is no longer part of the EU.:censored:

If a deal is agreed the rule could be modified but I wouldn't hold your breath for that. :)

Mick
 
I am in Portugal and I'm staying here until someone literally picks me up and takes me somewhere else...

Let those disgusting, evil, lying, cheating politicians do what they like... I don't give a sodding bucket full of stinking grey water about them or their plans.


JJ :cool:

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tacr2man said:
What happens with ROI as we have a bilateral agreement if you visit Ireland (Rep) for 89 days are you only allowed 1 day in rest of Europe ?
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ROI is also not in the Schengen area so entering the ROI will not count, as far as I am aware this 90 day rule exists already even for members of the Schengen countries but is not enforced.
 
Can the 90 day limit be broken up into a number of shorter periods i.e. 3 trips of 30 days each, over a 6 or 9 month period.
 
Allanm said:
Don’t under estimate French technology, what they do now will be entirely different when the UK leaves.
This is my take on it after a bit of research. I think people travelling to the EU in the future can expect more checks on them and thinking it won’t happen really isn’t the thing to do. It appears that all EU borders are linked electronically and non EU visitors will be registered on an EU wide database to ensure they do not overstay in the Schengen areas. Maybe you will be able to get a visa for longer stays but generally I think you will need a better excuse than an extended holiday to stay.

We have been through many toll booths and normal roads in France Spain and Portugal where Police and Custom checks have been set up.
I think we can expect more of these as well as Customs vehicles doing random checks at service stations, shopping areas campsites and aires and especially Cite Europe!

Possibly.
The ROI is an EU country so generally, the 90 day rule will still apply. You may get special dispensation if you work and live in different sides of the border and this may not count towards your 90 days. Time will tell, it all depends on how the UK leaves.

The decision to end free movement will certainly change your right to visit and stay in places outside the UK.

Again, after some research I found this and the tone of the article did seem to make it clear that overstaying in the EU in future will be met with consequences. It may seem insignificant to some and not worth worrying about, but when you return to the UK you will be caught out. They will log you both ways and if you are found to have overstayed you could be fined or refused re entry to the EU or both, or nothing!
I suppose we will have to wait and see what happens to the first person to overstay as they try to get back home.
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So if you land at Rotterdam and leave at Calais?
 
jongood said:
So if you land at Rotterdam and leave at Calais?
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It's a networked computer system across the Schengen zone, easy!

These types of systems have been around for years, not even clever these days. Think of cloud comuting.

Mick

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matamoros said:
ROI is also not in the Schengen area so entering the ROI will not count, as far as I am aware this 90 day rule exists already even for members of the Schengen countries but is not enforced.
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I do not know how they ever thought it could be when the Border controls were abolished. Maybe they only retained the rule so that criminals exceeding the 90 day rule could be repatriated.

Geoff
 
I posted on a Facebook forum a few days ago that getting the Shengen rules across to some people is like knitting fog!!!

If the UK is OUT, third country rules apply. 90 days in 180 days rolling AND the technology already exists to police it.

I feel sorry for holiday home owners who don't have the choice of going somewhere else.
 
jumartoo said:
If the UK is OUT, third country rules apply. 90 days in 180 days rolling AND the technology already exists to police it.
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And if they don't believe it, the first time they exceed the 90/180 they will be able to let all of us know what the consequences are :D

Mick

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even morocco has had computer checking for years .
i know the spanish computer system at the ports shows all our in and outs for years ,also old new passport details.
was shown it a couple years ago by a friend that works in the port.
they just happened to have the screen where i could get a glance , i commented thats interesting so they let me see it properly.
i knew they had a computer note about the length of my setup. i book 11mtrs but am only 10mtrs . mind they always measure it so others are thinking i might have under booked. it does look long .
mind been taking it for 18 years the staff know it and always say hello etc.
 
HarryML said:
Good that they seem to people sorted, according to reports on the good old BBC News, pets will not be able to enter Ireland other than at Dublin airport and the ferry ports of Rosslare and Cork.
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there only was a few ports we could bring back animals to untill they opened more ports in uk.
we had to come back into portsmouth at one time as plymouth didnt have the vets etc on the port etc .
we could leave from plymouth but not return .
 
Yes ,I will be in the EU for more than 90 days & also have the right to roam freely .Then again I'm a spanish resident. We've also got to more paperwork to change the existing piece of old paper for a usable dni card complete with fingerprints etc; as we had originally. & as non-eu we should be able to travel freely using it without passport iin the schengen.

Charente16 said:
Residency means you are treated as a 'National' of that country for taxation purposes, not a path to follow just for an extended holiday.

Robert
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Unfortunately that is not correct. The requirement for 'residency ' or having to apply for it under EU rules is 90 consecutive days. The requirement for tax residency is over 183 days cumulatively.
You can be a tax resident without being a resident & a resident without being tax resident.In all EU states.
Whilst the French might insist that you are tax resident before you can apply /obtain residency it isn't legal under EU rules & they take precedence. You just have to make formal complaints to the EU if you are an EU citizen.
chaser said:
We have been in France 30 days now, seen about 10 police in passing, once you are there who is going to know how long you have been there especially if you do a week or two in Spain or somewhere.
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Only the cameras. + they don't have to prove that you have been too long ,you have to prove that you haven't been in europe too long.
Just the same as when I am in the UK I am assumed to have overstayed straight off & have to prove I haven't.
whingyraindrop said:
Passengers are also required to complete Advance Passenger Information (API) forms prior to travel, this includes name, date of birth, passport number and the date and country of issue.
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They might be "required" but legally it does not have to be done until the point of embarcation. Just if you like being awkward.:giggler:
 

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