Would you smoke a spliff before driving your Motorhome ??

matamoros said:
I think that mitzimad has answered that in #116 but would add that every pharmaceutical drug that I have ever needed contains a long list of possible side effects.
Everything we do in life carries some amount of risk, it should be a personal decision whether to take that risk........pro's and con's!
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Your interpretation of 'answering a question' is obviously different to mine, deflecting a response to something that is clearly not an answer doesn't progress the point.
We all base our views against our own experiences and backgrounds. From your posts it appears you have been fortunate to avoid the criminal connotations attached to the drugs world and enjoyed a fairly benign experience with cannabis. I would suggest many others have not enjoyed the same level of experience.
The users and addicts I have met are often poorly educated and often manipulated by others, to expect them to subscribe to a sponsored community program is optimistic. Similarly the more affluent are not going to join the queue at the local drug drop in centre to get a fix for fear of embarrassment so the criminal supply would still exist. I wholly agree that addiction is a social/health issue rather than a criminal matter but as I mentioned earlier I have yet to see any positive outcomes from dangerous drug use. If the solutions were easy we would have had them many years ago.
 
Nigel P said:
Your interpretation of 'answering a question' is obviously different to mine, deflecting a response to something that is clearly not an answer doesn't progress the point.
We all base our views against our own experiences and backgrounds. From your posts it appears you have been fortunate to avoid the criminal connotations attached to the drugs world and enjoyed a fairly benign experience with cannabis. I would suggest many others have not enjoyed the same level of experience.
The users and addicts I have met are often poorly educated and often manipulated by others, to expect them to subscribe to a sponsored community program is optimistic. Similarly the more affluent are not going to join the queue at the local drug drop in centre to get a fix for fear of embarrassment so the criminal supply would still exist. I wholly agree that addiction is a social/health issue rather than a criminal matter but as I mentioned earlier I have yet to see any positive outcomes from dangerous drug use. If the solutions were easy we would have had them many years ago.
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I fail to see how my response is not answering your question.
I have also have experience of relatives and friends who have had bad experiences with drugs and alcohol.
 
matamoros said:
I have a strong feeling that providing a safe environment for addicts to inject would be very much cheaper than the present cost of the 'ear on drugs' and the not inconsiderable amount spent at present on the treatment of addicts due to dirty needles etc and the inconsistensies in strength of the currently illegal drugs.
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But to link the idea of over the counter drugs to over the counter beer. Should Tesco provide a safe place for me to drink the Brown Ale that I buy from them ? Or are the druggies a special case ?
 
A question for the pro-legal drugs people then. Would prisoners be given free access to the drugs while they are banged up ?

If not then you'd have the bizarre situation of having to ween them off the drugs when they first arrive in prison, knowing that as soon as they are released they will head to the nearest chemist for a drug refill.
 
TheBig1 said:
So the fact I have used Paracetamol on and off for in excess of 50 years means I am addicted? :rofl:
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Could be depends how often you take it. Obviously your response is an attempt at humour but we are talking about a serious matter and when you smoke marijuana regularly it stays in your system and can cause other long term serious health issues including Bi-polar disorder.

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Addicts who get caught, prosecuted and fined have even less money to buy he drugs that they were previously caught, prosecuted and fined for. Vicious circle. It’s a medical/social problem not a criminal one (for the addicts). Not sure if there is an answer unless you throw huge resources at the problem :unsure:

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Sandancers said:
A question for the pro-legal drugs people then. Would prisoners be given free access to the drugs while they are banged up ?

If not then you'd have the bizarre situation of having to ween them off the drugs when they first arrive in prison, knowing that as soon as they are released they will head to the nearest chemist for a drug refill.
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I don't know. Are prisoners given free access to alcohol in prison? - my guess would be not.
And do some of those released from a period of enforced sobriety head for the pub as soon as they are released?
Probably.
And it wouldn't necessarily be the chemist they head to more likely a coffee shop or head shop as in the Netherlands.
Those in favour of a limited experiment will be encouraged to see it's now decriminalised in 18 US states.
 
I had cocaine once and the feeling was absolutely amazing and euphoric. But it was in hospital and safe. Never tempted to take it in the future.
 
The Wino said:
So is driving when you're tired so how do you police that make it illegal not to sleep?
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Yes, I can't understand that i can drive my 12 ton bus with no restrictions, no Tacho. But I do stop for a rest after two hours driving and only drive for eight hours. I think the law should be changed.

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Twogirls said:
What's this thread doing in Motorhome Chat? I'm confused 🤔
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I’m confused with your question as It was a simple question relating to Motorhomes hence Motorhome Chat

“Would you smoke a spliff before driving a Motorhome”
 
Just because something is decriminalised doesn't mean it has to be done. Bestiality is not a criminal act in many countries including Finland. Doesn't mean you have to Roger a spaniel when you cross their border.

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The fear is that by legalising cannabis you expect an exponential rise in its use. There is no evidence to support that. Drug/alcohol use is a personal choice. Just because I can drink freely without consequences doesn’t mean I’m going to become an alcoholic. And yes, whilst there may be evidence to support a deterioration in mental health through overuse of cannabis the same can be said of alcohol.
 
Mike Rivers said:
The fear is that by legalising cannabis you expect an exponential rise in its use. There is no evidence to support that. Drug/alcohol use is a personal choice. Just because I can drink freely without consequences doesn’t mean I’m going to become an alcoholic. And yes, whilst there may be evidence to support a deterioration in mental health through overuse of cannabis the same can be said of alcohol.
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Deterioration of mental health through using cannabis is also attributed to regular not just over use.
 
I really don't see why possession of a naturally growing plant should be criminal in the first place.

Tribesmen have been chewing coca leaves for thousands of years. You could probably make a case that the birth of civilisation was partly a result of stoned cave dwellers making paintings on the walls. We drink tea and coffee, we eat chocolate and chillies and garlic etc etc. All these things are natural products. Even aspirin was used by primitive peoples.
Just because a govt makes a law against something doesn't make it a bad thing in itself. They are just responding to pressure from influential people.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's misguided. Apparently it used to be illegal to be gay.
There's a reason whiskey is served in tots and not pints. So it's a matter of degree. By forcing people to break the law, you deprive them of proper education and ensure the people they come in contact with are all criminals.
And no, I wouldn't drive just after smoking a spliff. But how long do you leave it? At present it's probably a few months because there is no limit. At least with alcohol there is some guidance and a set sensible limit.

This subject is part of a massive conversation that should be public - how much control should you have over other people's lives?
Well that obviously depends on the particular item under consideration. But the answer will never be "as much as possible".

Murderers don't do it because it's illegal and nothing can denied to everyone else just because a murderer might do it too.
 
Bubba said:
Bestiality is not a criminal act in many countries including Finland. Doesn't mean you have to Roger a spaniel when you cross their border.
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I daren't ask how you came to know that Bubba :ROFLMAO: I'm ķind of afraid you're going to tell us next that the Finnish government is making Spaniels available free to addicts :eek: :ROFLMAO:
 
Headrush said:
I really don't see why possession of a naturally growing plant should be criminal in the first place.

Tribesmen have been chewing coca leaves for thousands of years. You could probably make a case that the birth of civilisation was partly a result of stoned cave dwellers making paintings on the walls. We drink tea and coffee, we eat chocolate and chillies and garlic etc etc. All these things are natural products. Even aspirin was used by primitive peoples.
Just because a govt makes a law against something doesn't make it a bad thing in itself. They are just responding to pressure from influential people.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's misguided. Apparently it used to be illegal to be gay.
There's a reason whiskey is served in tots and not pints. So it's a matter of degree. By forcing people to break the law, you deprive them of proper education and ensure the people they come in contact with are all criminals.
And no, I wouldn't drive just after smoking a spliff. But how long do you leave it? At present it's probably a few months because there is no limit. At least with alcohol there is some guidance and a set sensible limit.

This subject is part of a massive conversation that should be public - how much control should you have over other people's lives?
Well that obviously depends on the particular item under consideration. But the answer will never be "as much as possible".

Murderers don't do it because it's illegal and nothing can denied to everyone else just because a murderer might do it too.
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Yeah, Poppies, they are nice and easy to grow, ask the Taliban.

I only know of the opium dens in China, (disgracefully British companies were involved) which catered for the addicts, but I don't recall hearing of the part time opium smokers.
 
Sandancers said:
Yeah, Poppies, they are nice and easy to grow, ask the Taliban.

I only know of the opium dens in China, (disgracefully British companies were involved) which catered for the addicts, but I don't recall hearing of the part time opium smokers.
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How much processing is required to turn a poppy into opium? I'm pretty sure it's more than just letting it dry out. And what about all the medical derivatives used every day in hospitals that wouldn't exist without its discovery.

Your comment about the taliban shows a shocking lack of awareness about how they came to exist (western powers) and who their main market is (western people). When you're living on less than 1 US dollar a day, you will do pretty much anything to make a living. Yet somehow we're justified in destroying those crops and giving them no other alternative.

At the end of the day, people are going to do what they want, whether it's illegal or not. If you want to waste money on chasing people who mostly don't affect anyone else, then you've got a job for life. As long as other more important duties don't suffer as a result.

Oh and about part time opium smokers - one of the largest groups who abused opium and other narcotics was/is doctors. This was true in the 19th century and still goes on today. But let's blame it on the tribesmen...
 
Headrush said:
How much processing is required to turn a poppy into opium? I'm pretty sure it's more than just letting it dry out. And what about all the medical derivatives used every day in hospitals that wouldn't exist without its discovery.

Your comment about the taliban shows a shocking lack of awareness about how they came to exist (western powers) and who their main market is (western people). When you're living on less than 1 US dollar a day, you will do pretty much anything to make a living. Yet somehow we're justified in destroying those crops and giving them no other alternative.

At the end of the day, people are going to do what they want, whether it's illegal or not. If you want to waste money on chasing people who mostly don't affect anyone else, then you've got a job for life. As long as other more important duties don't suffer as a result.

Oh and about part time opium smokers - one of the largest groups who abused opium and other narcotics was/is doctors. This was true in the 19th century and still goes on today. But let's blame it on the tribesmen...
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Good to hear your point of view, no doubt all the above will be made clear in the television advertisements encouraging opium use.

I'm sure the adverts will quite entertaining and will have the advantage of featuring genuine Afghan farmers in place of BAME actors. Win Win.

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We know Major Tom's a junkie
Strung out in heaven's high
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