Would you smoke a spliff before driving your Motorhome ??

[monzer]

How come some people on MHF are calling for people who won't get a covid vaccine to be under virtual house arrest, yet at the same time there are people on MHF being happy to state they take, or have taken, mind altering, no safety tests, illegal drugs ?

I thought it was self explanatory, I don't know if I can explain it in simpler terms.

So originally you wanted to know why different people could have different views on different issues?

I can answer that.... different people will have different views on different issues.

No need to thank me.

 

[joe and sue]

No drugs aren't good for you. Do you drink? If so, it's not good for you.
Would you believe it I was in Norwich once, late, and I saw people fighting as they left a drug den - (aka Pub).
Plus drunks in A&E abusing staff while "high" (aka off their face).
Explain to me the difference.

Yet again the problems caused by less than 5% of the people, are used to judge the actions of the 95%+ who use alcohol, tobacco, etc in a responsible way.

 

[Larrynwin]

I agree with your highlighted sentence but what a boring life it would be if we only did sensible things.
My rule is that if what I do to myself does no harm to anyone else then that is my business.

As I posted I’ve smoked (not hash) been under the table many times in the past so never boring for me but we slow down with age

 

[suavecarve]

A few years back we stopped on CClub site near Edinburgh, I needed a repeat prescription so called at a GP surgery and while waiting noticed a sign on the wall “ would patients please refrain from slashing the seats as these have just been re covered “ also noticed the almost continuous stream of visitors coming into a drug dispensing area and leaving shortly after.
I took my prescription to a small pharmacy a short distance away and was surprised to see a full time security guard just inside .
I guess drugs are good for you

The chances are this was for methadone, a heroin substitute, which goes on in every pharmacist throughout the country, though probably a tad more respectful to chairs elsewhere

 

[Zains Pops]

I once fired a van driver who was working in Central London for me. One day he took a passenger to learn the route who said they were never getting in that van again. On investigation it seemed the driver found central London driving stressful and to ease his stress he smoked fat spliffs whilst driving, consequently his driving was erratic to say the least. he went to pastures new the following day,

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[TheBig1]

PLEASE! stop the insinuation that cannabis is only used by junkies and criminals. I have told you all before, I use cannabis occasionally to control severe nerve pain. It works where the morphine supplied by the NHS doesn't. And no, I don't use enough to get stoned or incapable.
To answer the OP, NO I don't smoke a spliff before driving, but might need to after several hours driving

De-criminalisation should be pushed through and should allow doctors to prescribe it to all who need it medically. Currently only limited to a very tiny amount of conditions and demonised by the press. Other countries allow it and have less crime because of it

 

[slowdriver]

Yet again the problems caused by less than 5% of the people, are used to judge the actions of the 95%+ who use alcohol, tobacco, etc in a responsible way.

Just the same as dope and most other currently illegal drugs. There is no statistical evidence that dope which is all Khan is talking about is more harmful than alcohol or tobacco in fact rather the reverse. And sure problems caused by 5% of the people are often used to judge the 95% but that's true for alcohol AND for dope AND Motorhoming.

 

[slowdriver]

I think your reading it the wrong way round.

Some people want anyone who WON'T inject themselves with a fully tested, proven safe, no side-effects, non addictive drug which will only be good for you put under house arrest.

While others are happy for themselves or others to inhale or inject un-known, untested, proven unsafe, addictive, dangerous drugs to be free to roam the streets and carry out normal day to day activities.

Second time you've mentioned house arrest, but I can't find any suggestion in this discussion anywhere. Can you point me to it please? Or is it something on the news I have also missed?
Otherwise you are making stuff up in order to make a somewhat hysterical point. AKA a Strawman argument
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I would suggest you have a spliff to calm you down but that doesn't look like that's going to work.

 

[slowdriver]

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[joe and sue]

Just the same as dope and most other currently illegal drugs. There is no statistical evidence that dope which is all Khan is talking about is more harmful than alcohol or tobacco in fact rather the reverse. And sure problems caused by 5% of the people are often used to judge the 95% but that's true for alcohol AND for dope AND Motorhoming.

Hence the use of my first 2 words "Yet Again" !!!!!!!!!

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[Peter and Julie]

I once fired a van driver who was working in Central London for me. One day he took a passenger to learn the route who said they were never getting in that van again. On investigation it seemed the driver found central London driving stressful and to ease his stress he smoked fat spliffs whilst driving, consequently his driving was erratic to say the least. he went to pastures new the following day,

I double manned with a lovely (looking) young lady to Finland once! She liked a smoke but was majorly paranoid without her fix whilst driving. She's now in an institution, Was it the puff or was it an existing mental problem? Sad eh? I know what 4 beers contain alcohol wise but do you know for certain what your joint or pill contains and how long the effects last? I do with beer.

 

[2657]

I double manned with a lovely (looking) young lady to Finland once! She liked a smoke but was majorly paranoid without her fix whilst driving. She's now in an institution, Was it the puff or was it an existing mental problem? Sad eh? I know what 4 beers contain alcohol wise but do you know for certain what your joint or pill contains and how long the effects last? I do with beer.

You would if it was legal and regulated.

 

[Peter and Julie]

You would if it was legal and regulated.

Hmmm! Legal and regulated eh? I unfortunately have experienced 1 suicide and 1 heroin O/D. Both young females! How would you propose to regulate any drug? including alcohol?

 

[2657]

Hmmm! Legal and regulated eh? I unfortunately have experienced 1 suicide and 1 heroin O/D. Both young females! How would you propose to regulate any drug? including alcohol?

You know how much alcohol is in your beer because it is regulated.
The amount of each constituent , THC & CBD, can be shown on regulated cannabis products.
Most of the deaths from heroin come from not knowing the purity or what it is cut with not to mention dirty needles etc. All of which can be controlled in a regulated environment.

 

[stevewagner]

UK last 2020 death figures for drugs (all types) 4,561 - population 68 million
Holland 2019 death figures for drugs (all types) 252 - population 17 million

Holland being a quarter of the size of UK only gets a quarter of the pro rata deaths caused by drugs.
I would suggest that is quite an argument so suggest that legalising it will prevent deaths of misuse and this does not take into effect the extra deaths caused by criminals, or the extra crime they commit.

Making all drugs legal would be the beginning of a nightmare for this country. Re cannabis, people say you can’t tell if a person uses on a regular basis. I can and I’ve seen the consequences on a couple of close friends.

Addiction is not defined by the longevity of consumption. But by the inability to stop.

Thats not true in my view. An addict that stops is always in recovery. To take a drug on and off for 50 years indicates you can’t stop.

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[stevewagner]

As I posted I’ve smoked (not hash) been under the table many times in the past so never boring for me but we slow down with age

Under the table? That sounds like fun.

 

[suavecarve]

Thats not true in my view. An addict that stops is always in recovery. To take a drug on and off for 50 years indicates you can’t stop.

Not quite sure the reason you have quoted me ?

 

[TheBig1]

Thats not true in my view. An addict that stops is always in recovery. To take a drug on and off for 50 years indicates you can’t stop.

So the fact I have used Paracetamol on and off for in excess of 50 years means I am addicted?

 

[Nigel P]

Just the same as dope and most other currently illegal drugs. There is no statistical evidence that dope which is all Khan is talking about is more harmful than alcohol or tobacco in fact rather the reverse. And sure problems caused by 5% of the people are often used to judge the 95% but that's true for alcohol AND for dope AND Motorhoming.

It is generally accepted in the world of science rather than the world of Khan that daily use of cannabis increases the risk of developing psychosis by around four to five times that of abstainers. This is especially the case in the under 25s where brain development is especially vulnerable to abnormal stimulation.

 

[Larrynwin]

Under the table? That sounds like fun.

Metaphorically speaking that is perhaps a little persisted but generally fun until the room goes around

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[Nigel P]

You know how much alcohol is in your beer because it is regulated.
The amount of each constituent , THC & CBD, can be shown on regulated cannabis products.
Most of the deaths from heroin come from not knowing the purity or what it is cut with not to mention dirty needles etc. All of which can be controlled in a regulated environment.

Does that cannabis information include the enhanced risk if the user has a specific AKT1 gene variation? Metabolism of drugs is a very complex issue, suggesting that the local Boots 'off the shelf cannabis' will suit everyone is optimistic

 

[Sandancers]

Second time you've mentioned house arrest, but I can't find any suggestion in this discussion anywhere. Can you point me to it please? Or is it something on the news I have also missed?
Otherwise you are making stuff up in order to make a somewhat hysterical point. AKA a Strawman argument
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I would suggest you have a spliff to calm you down but that doesn't look like that's going to work.

I think you will find that in my original posting I said people on MHF, I did not say in this particular thread. If you look in the coronavirus thread you will see people making such a suggestion.

I have heard that drug taking affects the ability to understand some words, but maybe you have more knowledge of that ?

 

[Sandancers]

You know how much alcohol is in your beer because it is regulated.
The amount of each constituent , THC & CBD, can be shown on regulated cannabis products.
Most of the deaths from heroin come from not knowing the purity or what it is cut with not to mention dirty needles etc. All of which can be controlled in a regulated environment.

So now it's gone from addicts being able to buy their drugs from the chemist on demand to someone providing a regulated environment for them to do it. Who pays for that environment ?

 

[haganap]

when I read the post headline, I thought "here we go" Larrynwin has set me a new challenge.

But no, I wouldn't, my drving's bad enough when I'm not stoned

 

[mitzimad]

Bingo.

Some off the stuff that people are passing off as skunk these days is just pure dangerous for peoples mental health. Always trying to find ways of making it more potent, stuff you definitely wouldn't drive on. That's not what cannabis is about. They aren't getting stoned, they are just getting out of it.

I don't have kids but when the legal highs were really taking off I remember thinking god it's got so bad that I'd be warning them to stick to the proper coke rather than ingest those plant chemicals people were selling over the counter.

On a side note it's good too see that magic mushrooms are finally getting the OK to be studied to see the medicinal qualities. I firmly believe that MDMA should be seriously looked in to for helping people with severe depress

You don't get how some people on a forum could be pro-vaccine whilst some other people on a forum admit to have taken drugs?

i cant see the link there

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[mitzimad]

Does that cannabis information include the enhanced risk if the user has a specific AKT1 gene variation? Metabolism of drugs is a very complex issue, suggesting that the local Boots 'off the shelf cannabis' will suit everyone is optimistic

many people will have died after a reaction to pharmaceutical drug possibly supplied by boots at its peak paracetamol was killing over 600 people a year

 

[psyfried]

Reading this thread reminded me of

 

[2657]

So now it's gone from addicts being able to buy their drugs from the chemist on demand to someone providing a regulated environment for them to do it. Who pays for that environment ?

I have a strong feeling that providing a safe environment for addicts to inject would be very much cheaper than the present cost of the 'ear on drugs' and the not inconsiderable amount spent at present on the treatment of addicts due to dirty needles etc and the inconsistensies in strength of the currently illegal drugs.

 

[2657]

Does that cannabis information include the enhanced risk if the user has a specific AKT1 gene variation? Metabolism of drugs is a very complex issue, suggesting that the local Boots 'off the shelf cannabis' will suit everyone is optimistic

I think that mitzimad has answered that in #116 but would add that every pharmaceutical drug that I have ever needed contains a long list of possible side effects.
Everything we do in life carries some amount of risk, it should be a personal decision whether to take that risk........pro's and con's!

 

[Nigel P]

many people will have died after a reaction to pharmaceutical drug possibly supplied by boots at its peak paracetamol was killing over 600 people a year

There is a fundamental difference between an acceptable risk attached to a product that provides a genuine benefit against those risks attached to dangerous drugs which provide no such medical benefit.

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