Water/hose pipe (1 Viewer)

[Twiggy]

Off on a shopping trip for the MH later today. On the list is a water pipe; what sort of length should I go for?

On sites that have electric hook-up, do they generally have an adjacent water source?

Also, what about tap fittings? We will be based in the Netherlands but very close to Germany and Belgium. Our intention is to ‘do’ as much of Europe as we are able whilst we are here. Do we need a whole load of tap fittings for this?

 

[scotjimland]

I wonder what the difference between food grade and non food grade is?

cancer ?

non toxic hose about two quid a meter ..

or a spell of chemotherapy.. priceless

 

[Ridgeway]

Does anyone have food grade:

Main pipe from outer to water tank
Fittings through their van
Piping through their van
Glues that were used to connect piping together
Taps and fittings

(I assume all fresh water tanks are food grade, maybe not all though...)

The water has a much higher contact time in those areas vs the hose that it spent say 1 second passing through. Also as it likely came up from the mains supply it came through pretty cold vs ambient temperature (as in what it sits in your van) and at say 15-25º then the transfer of anything is likely to be much faster vs the 5-8º it comes up from the ground as.

I reckon a simple TSDS check would be an reasonable indicator as to the changes the water has gone through, from mains through hose vs after going through the vans system.

Once you change the temperatures, contact time and other aspects like salinity, pH etc then i'd agree that food grade hosing could be a benefit. I say that from experience of passing 10's of thousands of litres of salted water (35ppt) @ 26.00º through pure silicone, PVC and PE piping on an hourly basis, there it can be an issue and trace elements of phthalates have been found, but in very very small quantities and after thousands of hours of contact time in harsh conditions.

 

[scotjimland]

Does anyone have food grade:

Main pipe from outer to water tank
Fittings through their van
Piping through their van
Glues that were used to connect piping together
Taps and fittings

yes. to all.. including the storage tank

glue not used in fresh water pipes .. just drain pipes.

water pipes are generally push fittings or barb tail fittings with jubilee clips

pretty sure that is the regulations for potable water systems in caravans

in any case, why would you not use non-toxic filling hose ?

someone said cost..

spend £10k - £100k on a van then grudge £30 for a non-toxic food grade hose ?

 

[Just smiffy]

Please, someone show me factual proof that someone has died drinking from a hose pipe before I strangle my self with one.....

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[WynandJean]

if you are anything like me, you will regularly leave one on the tap and only remember it when you are 50 miles down the road.

Don't bother getting the connectors. Like @peterc10 I have left them scattered around most aires we visited. Oh, we haven't got round to some of the places you list so maybe you'd better get some.

Wyn

 

[Twiggy]

Thanks for the relevent information.

 

[joka250]

Please, someone show me factual proof that someone has died drinking from a hose pipe before I strangle my self with one.....

I can't profess to having died from using non food grade hose but 15 years ago I was hit by a serious recurring respiratory problem that brought me down to a very low level and may have contributed to a heart condition which all but killed me. The source of the infection was eventually traced by the HSE to a hose. Now I use for the motorhome food grade hose.

 

[Stroppy Bird]

.......and are there food grade watering cans ........?

The Colapz one is.

 

[Cal54]

Geez guys I wish I had never mentioned X hose in my earlier post!!! Personally I don’t drink the water direct from my on board system unless it has been boiled. As for the X hose it suits me and because it is silicone inside I’m hoping that it is relatively safe given all the other kitchen gadgets etc that are made of the stuff.
I’ve had the cassette type flat hose in the past but found it a faff. Just my opinion and each to his own - anyway I’m still here !!!

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[scotjimland]

Geez guys I wish I had never mentioned X hose in my earlier post!!! Personally I don’t drink the water direct from my on board system unless it has been boiled. As for the X hose it suits me and because it is silicone inside I’m hoping that it is relatively safe given all the other kitchen gadgets etc that are made of the stuff.
I’ve had the cassette type flat hose in the past but found it a faff. Just my opinion and each to his own - anyway I’m still here !!!

Boiling the water won't destroy any leached chemicals... Kitchen gadgets will will made from non toxic food quality materials.. I have no idea what X hose is or if it's non toxic or not.. silicone is generally safe

I agree the flat roll cassette hoses are a faff.. you can buy normal 1/2in food grade for around £2 per meter, I carry two pieces , 5mt and 15mt .. the short piece is generally all that is required to fill up at a French aire .. on UK sites a water carrier with a spout which I also carry is often more convenient

and agree.. each to their own.. we all make choices, posts on here are to inform only .. not dictate.

 

[Silver-Fox]

they tested river water in Africa after 24 hours in plastic bottles in sunlight and it was drinkable. (so I read some years ago)

Is it not partly to do with the plastic ie if it’s clear or coloured?
24 hours doesn’t seem to be a long time before testing.
Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong

 

[Two on Tour]

I wonder what the definition of "drinkable" is for this African water.

 

[Louis]

Please, someone show me factual proof that someone has died drinking from a hose pipe before I strangle my self with one.....

Hope you receive a reply soon

 

[Two on Tour]

Please, someone show me factual proof that someone has died drinking from a hose pipe before I strangle my self with one.....

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...ed-after-drinking-too-much-from-hosepipe.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gardener-killed-garden-hose-left-10626528

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[joka250]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...ed-after-drinking-too-much-from-hosepipe.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gardener-killed-garden-hose-left-10626528

The Mirror story brings back bad memories, circumstances a little different in my own case but broadly similar, believe me what I contracted was awful, it reduced me to an absolute wreck. In my case the offending hose was flushed through daily with water and air and stored dry but contamination of the lining left a dangerous build up of bacteria.

 

[LesW]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...ed-after-drinking-too-much-from-hosepipe.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gardener-killed-garden-hose-left-10626528

Neither of these two articles have anything to do with the grade of hose used have they?

 

[Allanm]

What food do you expect to put down your hose?

Drinking water?

It’s personal preference though. We have used a food grade hose and B&Q non food grade watering can for years and we are still alive.

 

[joka250]

Neither of these two articles have anything to do with the grade of hose used have they?

Read my post, if food grade hose had been used it was considered by HSE that contamination would not have occurred.

 

[scotjimland]

Non Toxic Food Grade Hose pipe - 10m.

£10

Also available in 5 metre and 15 metre lengths

https://www.homebirthsupplies.co.uk/non-toxic-food-grade-hose-pipe---10m-138-p.asp

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[Two on Tour]

Neither of these two articles have anything to do with the grade of hose used have they?

Correct, but the question was

Please, someone show me factual proof that someone has died drinking from a hose pipe

and the answer was yes.

 

[cranky]

hold fire peeps, I have run out of popcorn, be back soon

 

[cranky]

Is it not partly to do with the plastic ie if it’s clear or coloured?
24 hours doesn’t seem to be a long time before testing.
Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong

it was 6 hours according to the article

 

[Spriddler]

With or without the funnel mine works a treat (once I've shaken the snails out).

 

[Just smiffy]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk...ed-after-drinking-too-much-from-hosepipe.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gardener-killed-garden-hose-left-10626528

Sorry it states in the article “inconclusive’ evidence...

Shot your self down with that one...

And the first one the bloke drank himself to death.....

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[Just smiffy]

on UK sites a water carrier with a spout which I also carry is often more convenient

Is that food grade...?

 

[Two on Tour]

And the first one the bloke drank himself to death.....

It was from a garden hose was it not ?

 

[scotjimland]

Is that food grade...?

I'm still standing

 

[peterc10]

It has been scientifically proven that using a garden hose rather than food grade hose has two further detrimental effects.

Firstly the contaminants involved settle in your clean water tank and when they degrade they give off a dangerous unknown gas that will incapacitate you, thus enabling you to be robbed.

And secondly when these contaminants get into your grey waste tank they start to rot the rubber seals of the drain tap, thus leading to a slow loss of grey water out of the tank. This usually occurs while you are driving.


There .................... that should keep the popcorn coming....................

 

[Just smiffy]

It has been scientifically proven that using a garden hose rather than food grade hose has two further detrimental effects.

Firstly the contaminants involved settle in your clean water tank and when they degrade they give off a dangerous unknown gas that will incapacitate you, thus enabling you to be robbed.

And secondly when these contaminants get into your grey waste tank they start to rot the rubber seals of the drain tap, thus leading to a slow loss of grey water out of the tank. This usually occurs while you are driving.


There .................... that should keep the popcorn coming....................

Does it also make your legs fall off...? I do have a bit of trouble with that....

If an arm falls off I’ll be going round in circles like this thread.....

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[Silver-Fox]

it was 6 hours according to the article

Yeah not very long though.
Given that you can drink your own urine emediatly after it exiting your body with no ill affects