True cost of using A/C while driving

Keep Air con on 24/7/365.. In summer keeps you cool and stress free... in winter keeps the vehicle damp free and Windows condensation free.... therefore safer driving... don't need to be one o those eejits who peer thru a wee clear patch on windscreen.
 
I did have a cracker the other day. Went for a dog walk in the fields, parked in the big Tesco car park like we normally do. Rachel ran into Tesco to grab a couple of bits, and some old lady tapped on my window. I opened the window and she said turn the engine off (I had it running for the air-con to keep the dogs cool) I said "Why?" She said I was killing the planet. I said "No I won't turn it off as I am keeping my dogs cool" She then looked shocked, said I was part of the problem and walked off muttering.......
I`m only surprised it was an older lady. Normally the one who gives me any Gip will turn out the be under age to even drive!
People who run engines while stationary drive me mad and I sometimes shout at them. Oxford is a seriously polluted city and running engines while stationary produces far higher emissions than
driving does. However some do it for the A?C in summer and the heater in winter, Very antisocial.
Yes?. That is what they are for?. I always turn the damn annoying "Stop Start" off too. there is a way to permanently do it, but as it`a SWMBO`s car she wont let me!.
I suspect the title "Natural Recources Canada", Has a prejudicial bias on that too?.

In 2013, we drove the R-V from Houston to Lubock Texas in July, and ran the generator (5KW) and BOTH roof Air`s. Without it we would likely have Melted. We repeated it a few days later and finally where able to turn them off at Amarillo!. Even then the cab air was struggling!. Good job "gas" was only $1.98c a Gallon!.
 
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Keep Air con on 24/7/365.. In summer keeps you cool and stress free... in winter keeps the vehicle damp free and Windows condensation free.... therefore safer driving... don't need to be one o those eejits who peer thru a wee clear patch on windscreen.
I try and avoid using the AC to clear the screen, the water is quickly condensed on the coldest point (the AC evaporator in the dash) when you switch the engine off the coldest point is then usually the windscreen, and the moisture migrates to it making the problem worse when you get back in the car.
It's best to use the heater to thoroughly warm everything up, evaporate all the water and get it out of the car totally. 👍
 
I try and avoid using the AC to clear the screen, the water is quickly condensed on the coldest point (the AC evaporator in the dash) when you switch the engine off the coldest point is then usually the windscreen, and the moisture migrates to it making the problem worse when you get back in the car.
It's best to use the heater to thoroughly warm everything up, evaporate all the water and get it out of the car totally. 👍
But that is exactly what air con does...in winter have air con on with heat... produces warm DRY air.
 
In those endless miles of 50 mph average speed camera roads throughout the UK I often tried to relieve the boredom by looking at the current mpg display with the Aircon on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off - outcome was I was still bored.

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The quickest way to de-mist a Car is by using the Air-Con With the Heater, the heater warms the air, the Air-Con dehumidifies it, condensing it and evicting it from the unit. Hence why on dry days some cars seem to have water leaks.
 
Not so much these days - you're correct of course about reduced oxygen much the same as driving at high altitudes - but the ECU will reduce fuelling to match. So less power but no change in efficiency.
So to achieve the same speed it will need a greater quantity of fuel and air mixture to make the target?
Your theory does not add up unless the driver accepts less power and reduces velocity to compensate rather that just press the accelerator further.
 
and evicting it
It doesn't evict all of it. The evaporating temperature of an AC is usually about 0°c, so if the system runs continuously the evap won't ice up, the water condenses onto the evap out of the atmosphere and if there is enough of it, it will drain out of the car underneath. By the time the drain starts dripping there will be plenty of water left on the evaporator and in the evaporator drain pan to cause condensation problems in the car when you stop the engine and park up.
 
But that is exactly what air con does...in winter have air con on with heat... produces warm DRY air.
Where do you think the moisture goes out of the air?
It condenses on the evaporator embedded in the dash inside the car... It doesn't go very far I'm afraid 😑 it'll be back 😂
 
By the time the drain starts dripping there will be plenty of water left on the evaporator and in the evaporator drain pan to cause condensation problems in the car when you stop the engine and park up.
This is in relation to larger vehicles like our motorhomes, right?
Never had a condensation problem when returning to a car.

You can get in a mess with the a/c actually missing up your window - especially when it’s on recycled rather than fresh air - but easily fixed by a control change.

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In those endless miles of 50 mph average speed camera roads throughout the UK I often tried to relieve the boredom by looking at the current mpg display with the Aircon on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off, then on, then off - outcome was I was still bored.
This is exactly why really low speed limits don't work. The lower the speed limit the safer the driver feels and the less attention they pay to driving. Imagine if the speed limit was 0.001MPH the driver might be inclined to have a kip 😳😂
 
So to achieve the same speed it will need a greater quantity of fuel and air mixture to make the target?
Your theory does not add up unless the driver accepts less power and reduces velocity to compensate rather that just press the accelerator further.
I thought we were talking about engine efficiency which doesn't change because of reduced oxygen levels. The engine compensates by reducing fuel supply, the driver demands more power to continue at the same speed, the engine supplies more fuel and draws in more oxygen and we're back to where we were. No change in efficiency or fuel consumption.
 
I thought we were talking about engine efficiency which doesn't change because of reduced oxygen levels. The engine compensates by reducing fuel supply, the driver demands more power to continue at the same speed, the engine supplies more fuel and draws in more oxygen and we're back to where we were. No change in efficiency or fuel consumption.
No.
The engine will use more fuel on the warm humid day over a cold crisp day. Therefore the use of A/C is negligible against the engines need for more fuel/Oxygen to make the same journey in the same time, hence the increase if fuel usage by the OP.
 
This is in relation to larger vehicles like our motorhomes, right?
Never had a condensation problem when returning to a car.

You can get in a mess with the a/c actually missing up your window - especially when it’s on recycled rather than fresh air - but easily fixed by a control change.
No we have a VW UP with AC. I really try not to use the AC in winter, but I have to a couple of times a year when the screen inside is fogged and I need to drive it away. The AC quickly clears the screen. But there is a price to pay if you don't switch it off and get the whole car warmed up to expel the water before you next use it, if not when you next use the car the screen is fogged up again and maybe you think 'wow isn't AC great as it clears the screen' ... Actually it's caused it 🙄
 
Oh and I never use the recirculate button 👍😎

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Where do you think the moisture goes out of the air?
It condenses on the evaporator embedded in the dash inside the car... It doesn't go very far I'm afraid 😑 it'll be back 😂
Oh Richard and Ann ... yet again you advising when you don't know what you talking about..
Moisture collects in the condenser.. not the evaporator.. and melts and drains on ground.
Have you never wondered what that pool of water is doing on your garage floor or driveway...
Moisture out of vehicle, as said, and dumped on ground..
 
No we have a VW UP with AC. I really try not to use the AC in winter, but I have to a couple of times a year when the screen inside is fogged and I need to drive it away. The AC quickly clears the screen. But there is a price to pay if you don't switch it off and get the whole car warmed up to expel the water before you next use it, if not when you next use the car the screen is fogged up again and maybe you think 'wow isn't AC great as it clears the screen' ... Actually it's caused it 🙄
Don't think so.. 😎😎😎
 
No we have a VW UP with AC. I really try not to use the AC in winter, but I have to a couple of times a year when the screen inside is fogged and I need to drive it away. The AC quickly clears the screen. But there is a price to pay if you don't switch it off and get the whole car warmed up to expel the water before you next use it, if not when you next use the car the screen is fogged up again and maybe you think 'wow isn't AC great as it clears the screen' ... Actually it's caused it 🙄
This is 100% Tosh, the water drains out under the car.
 
Oh Richard and Ann ... yet again you advising when you don't know what you talking about..
Moisture collects in the condenser.. not the evaporator.. and melts and drains on ground.
Have you never wondered what that pool of water is doing on your garage floor or driveway...
Moisture out of vehicle, as said, and dumped on ground..
Oh dear. When you've been a refrigeration engineer for 25 years including CWS supermarket, RGR refrigeration, York refrigeration, Consort Refrigeration, Foster Coldstores, and self employed for 10 years maybe I'll start listening to you 😂The condenser is so called because it condenses the high pressure refrigerant VAPOUR back into it's liquid form. It's not called a condenser because the condensation forms on it and then drips out of the fridge or AC 🙄... That's called the evaporator. The refrigerant boils at say 0°c inside an AC evaporator, Or -35°c in a freezer. Next question please 😎

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Oh dear. When you've been a refrigeration engineer for 25 years including CWS supermarket, RGR refrigeration, York refrigeration, Consort Refrigeration, Foster Coldstores, and self employed for 10 years maybe I'll start listening to you 😂The condenser is so called because it condenses the high pressure refrigerant VAPOUR back into it's liquid form. It's not called a condenser because the condensation forms on it and then drips out of the fridge or AC 🙄... That's called the evaporator. The refrigerant boils at say 0°c inside an AC evaporator, Or -35°c in a freezer. Next question please 😎
Real refrigeration engineer with Her Majesty's Royal Navy.. not peelie wallie air con technician
So yes next question... where does puddle of water come from under air con vehicle when stopped ??????????.???
 
Real refrigeration engineer with Her Majesty's Royal Navy.. not peelie wallie air con technician
So yes next question... where does puddle of water come from under air con vehicle when stopped ??????????.???

Condensate from the evaporator
 
Real refrigeration engineer with Her Majesty's Royal Navy.. not peelie wallie air con technician
So yes next question... where does puddle of water come from under air con vehicle when stopped ??????????.???
The Evaporator. Final answer.
I had to work once with a forces "refrigeration engineer" once we called him Winco 🤣 the stuff the military do is so different to commercial refrigeration he was completely useless, ringing me up constantly, nice lad though he got there in the end 😎 no offence
 
In these temperatures I just leave the truck ticking over and run the air con to keep comfortable when sitting waiting etc , if it’s not enough press the cruise control and increase the revs a bit.
 
a couple of years ago, we were parked up at Lake Annecy, Doussard.

As I walked back to the van one day, sergeant Major beckoned me from his motorhome.

" Do you realise, you have water dripping from under your motorhome "

I do was my reply.......

"Well it is not camping etiquette to be letting your grey water drop onto the ground"

It is not great water, it is condensate from my habitation air conditioning system, I replied.

"of course it is, tapping the side of his nose - not grey tap open slightly is it"

I suggested he use his phone to google A/C condensate. He never spoke to me again.
 
Oki doki. Why is is on my driveway and not my carpets

It should run our underneath the vehicle, via a drain tube.

Not into any internal floor.

(unless the condensate drain tube gets blocked)

Cab, car or van A/C, the condensate runs out under vehicle
Coaches, etc same
Truma / Dometic ducted A/C, usually under the van.
Rooftop Habitation A/C will leak onto roof of motorhome or vehicle it is fitted too. Then run off at the easiest path
 
For information only, we’ve just completed 1500 miles to Germany and back with AC on 90% of the time in our Peugeot based van and done 32mpg. Better than normal over a long trip due to general “bimbling” along most likely. I won’t be panicking about this stat. Certainly impossible to get a further 25%, ie 40 mpg.

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