Thinking of setting of on trip to Europe this week - any suggestions bearing in mind all this Covid stuff

[busby]

Question.
Is the site Bonterra Park very busy?? Leaving to Spain tomorrow for a few weeks.
Remember last year was only a few pitches left this time of year.
It's a nice clean campsite, have stayed there many times.

About 50 to 60 vans on,,it holds over 300..Site is cleaner than ever..Toilets cleaned every 2 hours..Bar and restaurant open..Town is as normal except they have moved the market behind Lidl..BUSBY.

 

[busby]

The problem as I see it, is more what happens IF you contracted it and became ill? Being poorly in you ‘van isn’t going to be pleasant.

Being poorly anywhere isnt good,,BUSBY.

 

[The Wino]

We’re going to a site we’ve been to for the past three years with people we know. The rate of infection in the small town is very low. Who mentioned flying? Who mentioned crowded transfer bus? Who mentioned work? Apart from shopping we’ve been isolated since March in a very very small bubble and intend on keeping it that way. If you don’t want to spend the winter in the sun like we do that’s fine but don’t knock out well thought out plans.

If your plans are well thought-out or not it's your choice. But when people say it's safer because everyone is being careful in a place why then is the rate high?. If the rates high despite all the locals being sensible logic says anyone who visits will have a high risk too. As I said if there are areas where there are lower rates of infection it might be less risky there but if people are booking sites based on the rate now whats their plan if rates increase. The flying bit was an example of people after saying to others how safe it was when really they were taking a chance.
I'm not knocking anyones plans as I don't know what they are just saying that I don't get how anyone can think because people are wearing masks and distancing its safe .

 

[busby]

People keep saying things like that but I reckon wearing masks etc distancing is great but the risk of coming into contact with covid has to be higher if you're in a high covid rate area. I think people are making up reasons to feel safer we know someone who just got back from Tenerife she said it was great all measures in place loads of cleaning flight half empty. But what would she have done if it wasn't?, What happens when you realise the flights crowded and the tranfer bus is worse.
It's different if you have a high covid rate at home or work to an extent your stuck with it but at least you have local knowledge know where its likely to be crowded and if there are increased measures largely it's not a big deal. If people decide to take a risk on a holiday as long as they isolate properly when they get back that's up to them but all this its safer than here but it's on the high risk list doesn't seem that plausible to me unless there's a local bit with lower incidence.
[/QUOTE We feel much safer away in our van than we do staying at home..BUSBY.

 

[Peppadog]

We are in Greece (albeit currently on a boat but soon to be back in the motor home) and numbers are low. Even on the 6 “hotspot” Islands which have been identified as requiring q14 in the U.K. after visiting.
Masks are always worn in enclosed areas but rarely in the street, restaurants or outside seating places.
In a couple of weeks time we will be making our way to the U.K. via Italy, France, and Germany. Currently that will mean we don’t have to isolate on our return (as we will be self contained and not stop whilst in France) but who knows what the rules will be by then.

Offagain. Your avatar and text indicates you’re a sailer. As am I. Ours is berthed in Poole. Where do you keep yours in Greece? We have chartered in the Ionian a couple of times.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[WillinFrance]

About 50 to 60 vans on,,it holds over 300..Site is cleaner than ever..Toilets cleaned every 2 hours..Bar and restaurant open..Town is as normal except they have moved the market behind Lidl..BUSBY.

Many thanks for the update.
Hopefully will be there in a few days. Will be working our way down the coast.

 

[Sue]

Just back from Germany
Felt very comfortable
Masks in shops
But very relaxed atmosphere
Social distancing not as strict as here
But
Be prepared for coming back, you are met with doom, gloom and a desperate desire to leave again!

 

[Oscar]

Good to read that Bonterra Park has been recommended, would anyone be able to share recommendations for sites in the other towns mentioned? ie Roses, Salou, Alcossebre, Guadamar and Horadada? and any others in Spain?

Many thanks

 

[glenn2926]

Just back from Germany
Felt very comfortable
Masks in shops
But very relaxed atmosphere
Social distancing not as strict as here
But
Be prepared for coming back, you are met with doom, gloom and a desperate desire to leave again!

The social distancing in Germany was always different to the U.K. whereas ours was two metres in Germany it was one point five metres. What makes you think that is not as strict? Their social distancing might be the correct distance. We came back from a month over there a couple of weeks ago and it seemed as well organised as anywhere.

 

[glenn2926]

Sue, I definitely agree with your comment re the doom and gloom surrounding Covid in this country and particularly on this forum. Some (quite a few) seem to think that every person they even walk past is going to infect them there and then and they will be dead before tea time. Saying they feel safe or unsafe in certain areas. Come on, get a grip people. The only times I have felt unsafe in my life have been in a couple of very severe building fires and once whilst rock climbing when what I thought was a bomb proof placement came out when I fell on it.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Peppadog]

My wife listens to both French and Spanish regional radio. She says they all saying the same stuff as folks are moaning about here. The rules, the people who don’t follow them. The government etc.

I suppose in the end, the chances of catching it are much the same here or in France or Spain. Low, but deadly if in the older age groups and with other complications.

Wherever you go. Stay safe.

 

[Peppadog]

Good to read that Bonterra Park has been recommended, would anyone be able to share recommendations for sites in the other towns mentioned? ie Roses, Salou, Alcossebre, Guadamar and Horadada? and any others in Spain?

Many thanks

Tropicana is very good in Alcossebre. But is a fair walk into the town.

 

[Clickem]

Good to read that Bonterra Park has been recommended, would anyone be able to share recommendations for sites in the other towns mentioned? ie Roses, Salou, Alcossebre, Guadamar and Horadada? and any others in Spain?

Many thanks

Would recommend

Roses = Camping Salata
Horadada = Camping Lo Monte

 

[Sue]

Sue, I definitely agree with your comment re the doom and gloom surrounding Covid in this country and particularly on this forum. Some (quite a few) seem to think that every person they even walk past is going to infect them there and then and they will be dead before tea time. Saying they feel safe or unsafe in certain areas. Come on, get a grip people. The only times I have felt unsafe in my life have been in a couple of very severe building fires and once whilst rock climbing when what I thought was a bomb proof placement came out when I fell on it.

Brilliant
Well said

 

[IanRJ]

People keep saying things like that but I reckon wearing masks etc distancing is great but the risk of coming into contact with covid has to be higher if you're in a high covid rate area. I think people are making up reasons to feel safer we know someone who just got back from Tenerife she said it was great all measures in place loads of cleaning flight half empty. But what would she have done if it wasn't?, What happens when you realise the flights crowded and the tranfer bus is worse.

We're just back from France, Spain, Portugal and for the last 2.5 weeks Germany. Back to Tyneside to note that at our local university 770 students have tested positive this week. The wider area is now on stringent restrictions!

We had zero issues in any Euro country and definitely felt secure everywhere we stopped over (33 different stops on route) with everyone wearing masks and SD'ing at all times. Coming from Germany with a 33.5 per 100,000 people to this mire (134.5 in UK general) really makes us feel insecure.

If I didn't have a relative in hospital at the moment I'd have left Germany and gone straight back to Spain rather come back here, without a doubt!

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Minnie]

Wife and I wanted to get away to Europe to escape any upcoming October lockdowns in the UK.

We were initially thinking Spain, but wondered what all you guys and gals thought.

Ideally, we want somewhere that isn't like a zombie mask hell, but at the same time is safe and welcoming.

Don't mind ferry or tunnel, warm or cold.

Any suggestions much appreciated.

Just got back from Crete. Absolutely no
Problems through Italy Bulgaria,Romania Germany. Didn’t stop in Hungary or Austria but passed through no problems.
Greece is fine. Just wear masks while shopping and sanitise hands.
we lived in our bubble absolutely no issues anywhere

 

[The Wino]

We're just back from France, Spain, Portugal and for the last 2.5 weeks Germany. Back to Tyneside to note that at our local university 770 students have tested positive this week. The wider area is now on stringent restrictions!

We had zero issues in any Euro country and definitely felt secure everywhere we stopped over (33 different stops on route) with everyone wearing masks and SD'ing at all times. Coming from Germany with a 33.5 per 100,000 people to this mire (134.5 in UK general) really makes us feel insecure.

If I didn't have a relative in hospital at the moment I'd have left Germany and gone straight back to Spain rather come back here, without a doubt!

I'd do the Germany bit the rate there's less than the UK if theyre daft enough to let us in why not. But again the question remains if everyone is being careful in Spain and the rates higher than here surely you are more at risk! . That being said in the northeast ( I spend 2 days a week at the hospital in Middlesbrough) Spain could well be lower in some areas.
All those people saying they went to wherever and were fine reminds me of my Uncle smoked like a chimney all his life never had cancer. It doesn't prove smoking is safe just that he was lucky.

 

[Offagain]

Offagain. Your avatar and text indicates you’re a sailer. As am I. Ours is berthed in Poole. Where do you keep yours in Greece? We have chartered in the Ionian a couple of times.

We keep her in Cleopatra yard opposite Preveza when we aren’t sailing. In “normal” years we drive out after Easter and go home the first week in July. Then come back out at the end of August until mid October.
We had a yacht In the U.K. which we kept in Neyland, near where we live but we sold her 6mths after buying the boat in Greece. We hadn’t used her much for a few years anyway as the weather is so unpredictable, and getting anywhere from west Wales is a mission, so we always ended up taking last minute charters in the Ionian.

 

[Helen Ariel]

People keep saying things like that but I reckon wearing masks etc distancing is great but the risk of coming into contact with covid has to be higher if you're in a high covid rate area. I think people are making up reasons to feel safer we know someone who just got back from Tenerife she said it was great all measures in place loads of cleaning flight half empty. But what would she have done if it wasn't?, What happens when you realise the flights crowded and the tranfer bus is worse.
It's different if you have a high covid rate at home or work to an extent your stuck with it but at least you have local knowledge know where its likely to be crowded and if there are increased measures largely it's not a big deal. If people decide to take a risk on a holiday as long as they isolate properly when they get back that's up to them but all this its safer than here but it's on the high risk list doesn't seem that plausible to me unless there's a local bit with lower incidence.

Not commenting on flying places but in the motorhome you are not necessarily more likely to come into contact with cv because like all countries cv tends to be highest in a few hot spots of the big cities which really isn't where you go in your motorhome. It really depends where you live in the UK and where you go/what you do when abroad. Uk looks set to have higher numbers than Spain soon!

 

[IanRJ]

All those people saying they went to wherever and were fine reminds me of my Uncle smoked like a chimney all his life never had cancer. It doesn't prove smoking is safe just that he was lucky.

Yes and I'm hoping my wife and I are lucky here in UK now too!

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[The Wino]

Yes and I'm hoping my wife and I are lucky here bin UK now too!

Me too!. Germany would be tempting!

 

[IanRJ]

Me too!. Germany would be tempting!

It would be if the weather picks up - we had 3 days of torrential rain, similar when we landed in UK on Friday night / Saturday morning!

 

[Helen Ariel]

If your plans are well thought-out or not it's your choice. But when people say it's safer because everyone is being careful in a place why then is the rate high?. If the rates high despite all the locals being sensible logic says anyone who visits will have a high risk too. As I said if there are areas where there are lower rates of infection it might be less risky there but if people are booking sites based on the rate now whats their plan if rates increase. The flying bit was an example of people after saying to others how safe it was when really they were taking a chance.
I'm not knocking anyones plans as I don't know what they are just saying that I don't get how anyone can think because people are wearing masks and distancing its safe .

You're missing the point. The people who are away on holiday in their motorhomes saying it's safe are most likely in locations where the rate is just as low or lower than home. In Spain a third of all cases are in Madrid and the majority of the rest are in other large cities.

 

[Northernraider]

We're in Spain and they seem to have it right. In open spaces wear a mask

And in enclosed ones don't

Which seems madness but same everywhere it seems

Indoor pubs etc should never have been opened

 

[MitchandJenny]

Your missing the point. The people who are away on holiday in their motorhomes saying it's safe are most likely in locations where the rate is just as low or lower than home. In Spain a third of all cases are in Madrid and the majority of the rest are in other large cities.

45%. Madrid. And Madrid is only 16% of Spain’s population.
Mitch

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Peppadog]

We keep her in Cleopatra yard opposite Preveza when we aren’t sailing. In “normal” years we drive out after Easter and go home the first week in July. Then come back out at the end of August until mid October.
We had a yacht In the U.K. which we kept in Neyland, near where we live but we sold her 6mths after buying the boat in Greece. We hadn’t used her much for a few years anyway as the weather is so unpredictable, and getting anywhere from west Wales is a mission, so we always ended up taking last minute charters in the Ionian.

We spent a night on the quay in Preveza in 2019 on a two week delivery charter of twenty yachts from Corfu (Sailing Holidays), so know where you are. A good location to store it I should thInk.
We went on through the canal the next day and eventually flew home from Ithaka. The weather was not great for that April/May trip unfortunately.
The previous trip there was a bare boat charter from Lefkas. It was great. I understand why you keep it there.

 

[In a Pickle]

Good to read that Bonterra Park has been recommended, would anyone be able to share recommendations for sites in the other towns mentioned? ie Roses, Salou, Alcossebre, Guadamar and Horadada? and any others in Spain?

Many thanks

Last week we just got back from the following site;

Campingred
Los Batanes
Lagunas de Ruidera
Ossa de Monteil

the area is very beautifu, like the Lake District but without he people. Fifteen lakes, river, waterfalls. Fantastic walking, we can’t wait to go back. Too cold for a winter destination in Spain but October is great, we hope to head back in May (which is my favourite month in Spain). The site is big but they just keep a small section open out of season and when we were there it was very quiet, probably more cleaners than people camping! A little bar/restaurant on site where we ate which was very good.

 

[gus-lopez]

has to be higher if you're in a high covid rate area.

The Uk has just exceeded the spanish daily rate & likely to continue increasing.Here it will soon be the 14day average is under 4k/day

But when people say it's safer because everyone is being careful in a place why then is the rate high?.

being careful in Spain and the rates higher than here surely you are more at risk! .

mainly in large towns like Madrid where we shouldn't have let them out for the summer.They've spread it everywhere along with the catalans.

. In Spain a third of all cases are in Madrid and the majority of the rest are in other large cities.

Exactly & now they have fenced them all in maybe the rate will drop .

 

[The Wino]

The Uk has just exceeded the spanish daily rate & likely to continue increasing.Here it will soon be the 14day average is under 4k/day

Yes we saw it coming but couldn't get our act together to get measures to avoid it. Not surprised when you look back at some of the posts a month ago agreeing the rate was rising but wanting to wait until there was evidence of deaths before doing anything!
I wonder if the second Spanish wave was due more to tourists from Madrid or the UK?

 

[suavecarve]

The Uk has just exceeded the spanish daily rate & likely to continue increasing.Here it will soon be the 14day average is under 4k/day

Never mind soon, try yesterday. 3597 and still apparently dropping. That would equate to a 7 day infection rate to 97.2 using the worldometer figures off of yesterdays average.
If all things keep going in the right direction for you guys then about 8th October you will start to see dramatic falls in your 14 day rate on a daily basis.
Really very good figures coming out of Spain atm.

Still far far too early for predictions but France is going to be interesting if they follow your route.
I havent ruled out a Xmas jaunt under la manche yet. It has a 10 per cent chance imv

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}