Tam & co the great winter escape

[Langtoftlad]

of...but like you say the intonation is

Hence the idea of a whistle

The other new thing that has started is when i go to put a lead on her in my mum's house she wees on the floor
Never ever did that in the van

Sounds like she is really scared.
Poor thing.
Some terrible treatment she got as a puppy...

 

[teddybear]

Years ago (before he became famous). We had very good results with Dr Roger Mugford.

 

[Lenny HB]

Sometimes youd think she didn't like me , then other times .....View attachment 599615
Big clumsy oaf sent my glasses flying though wanting her belly rubbedView attachment 599614

Seeing those pics there is no way she is not staying with you.

 

[OwnedbyCollies]

Hi Tam.

I can recommend Absolute Dogs https://absolute-dogs.com/pages/wel...m=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_term=124263769618
It's an online resource run by Lauren and Tom (agility champ and trainer and a vet and behaviourist) and based on positive rewards and games - their mantra is 'there is a game for that!' There are loads of short games to change behaviours.

The online membership programme is a monthly thing (like Netflix - cancel anytime). They also have strategies for multi dog households.

Worth a look if you get chance.

 

[Northernraider]

Hence the idea of a whistle

Sounds like she is really scared.
Poor thing.
Some terrible treatment she got as a puppy...

Aye she acts like she doesn't know me sometimes its really weird . Hot and cold ,one minute she's all over me the next its like i was a big scary monster . If she keeps it up my mum will be chucking us oot the drive. So far today shes dug up the garden twice chucking dirt and bulbs about and peed on the floor twice. She knocked over an ornament the other day and knocked one of those wax melting air freshener things all over the place.

Can't get her to come out a door so ive no choice but to put the lead on her but she cowers away .

But she doesn't do that in the van . Its well confusing.

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[Northernraider]

Hi Tam.

I can recommend Absolute Dogs https://absolute-dogs.com/pages/wel...m=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_term=124263769618
It's an online resource run by Lauren and Tom (agility champ and trainer and a vet and behaviourist) and based on positive rewards and games - their mantra is 'there is a game for that!' There are loads of short games to change behaviours.

The online membership programme is a monthly thing (like Netflix - cancel anytime). They also have strategies for multi dog households.

Worth a look if you get chance.

Ill have a look but right now i think id like a one on one session with a trainer/ behaviourist. If they are as good as they make out in their videos they should be able to help with the recall .

 

[Riverbankannie]

As for the liver cake @Zoobec what a mess it makes of the blender I made it once, felt like Hannibal Lecter never again!!

I did it too, as you say, never again especially for a vegetarian like me!

 

[3DOM]

Aye she acts like she doesn't know me sometimes its really weird . Hot and cold ,one minute she's all over me the next its like i was a big scary monster .

Just like my ex.

 

[Langtoftlad]

I think you have to choose one programme or system and stick with it... it'll need a lot of work regardless.
Or accept she can't be off the lead.

Kerry, a retired rescue greyhound, with me for awhile now [years] is still learning how to be a pet.
I was telling my sister yesterday about her aversion to stiles... until we went for a walk at Pickering with a selection of dogs... year before absolutely refused to negotiate a stile... that year she watched all the other dogs pile through/over... and blundered through without hesitation...

Perhaps you should put a collar & lead on, and show her how recall works .

 

[L' Hobo]

Aye she acts like she doesn't know me sometimes its really weird . Hot and cold ,one minute she's all over me the next its like i was a big scary monster . If she keeps it up my mum will be chucking us oot the drive. So far today shes dug up the garden twice chucking dirt and bulbs about and peed on the floor twice. She knocked over an ornament the other day and knocked one of those wax melting air freshener things all over the place.

Can't get her to come out a door so ive no choice but to put the lead on her but she cowers away .

But she doesn't do that in the van . Its well confusing.

Now that your home and can get an EHU, why not move back to the van for a few days until Ela gets to know & trust her new surrounding?? (too her, perhaps, houses = pain?) Good Luck!

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[Zoobec]

I realise how hard it's going to be for you Tam, with 2 other dogs and a lot of other stuff going on also. Once again here we all are with the best of intentions, suggestions coming at you every which way.
One thing I remember from training was don't overuse her name. A different clear word or sound (indicator if you like) for each desired outcome. I'm sure you know that.
We've also noticed Roly has taken to reacting to hand/body signals - if she feels like it. We didn't teach this, she just picked it up. After all they teach deaf dogs! So I don't think Ela=come in Greek is necessarily relevant? I hope you find a good behaviourist who can help.
I won't comment further but continue reading with fingers crossed.

As for the liver cake Zoobec what a mess it makes of the blender I made it once, felt like Hannibal Lecter never again!!

Hand/body signals work well with Yoshi, too. Making liver cake is a bit gruesome but I find it worth the effort

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

Liver based treats are definitely a favourite for my dogs past and present, but raw liver is going nowhere near my blender or oven, i've heard the house stinks for days, I'm no veggie or vegan but I'm not going down that route!!

 

[Northernraider]

Now that your home and can get an EHU, why not move back to the van for a few days until Ela gets to know & trust her new surrounding?? (too her, perhaps, houses = pain?) Good Luck!

Im in the caravan. They are only in the house during the day while im busy .

The van is being worked on preparing it for mot and sale.

 

[Northernraider]

I think you have to choose one programme or system and stick with it... it'll need a lot of work regardless.
Or accept she can't be off the lead.

Kerry, a retired rescue greyhound, with me for awhile now [years] is still learning how to be a pet.
I was telling my sister yesterday about her aversion to stiles... until we went for a walk at Pickering with a selection of dogs... year before absolutely refused to negotiate a stile... that year she watched all the other dogs pile through/over... and blundered through without hesitation...

Perhaps you should put a collar & lead on, and show her how recall works .

She has jade and milo to follow . Which i thought would work but it doesn't seem to .

 

[Northernraider]

Hand/body signals work well with Yoshi, too. Making liver cake is a bit gruesome but I find it worth the effort

I live in a van i don't have a blender

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[Minxy]

Absolutely. Dogs dont do languages. We have two dogs. One is called Honey. I can say shunny, bunny, funny, dunny or even big variations like donny, Bobby etc. and she comes running. They seem to recognise the number of syllables....well sort of...but like you say the intonation is everything.

Our dogs, past and present, always have various names as an exampleo our Pootle was Poo, Puddle, Pud, Spud.

 

[Lenny HB]

I live in a van i don't have a blender

Just chew it and spit it out.

 

[Minxy]

Tam, you WILL get there, when we got Romy at 18 months she had been abused at her first home along with her mum and the wife. When the wife went into a battered women's shelter she couldn't take the dogs so they went into a rescue centre but when she got a flat she was able to have a dog but only one so chose the mum. Thus poor Romy was left on her own in the kennels, she was an absolute wreck, scared of her own shadow and terrified of men especially.

When we first met her she was barking and quivering at the back of her kennel but we decided to see if she was any better out of it. I sat on a bench outside with her on a lead and did nothing, literally, no trying to touch or coax her, just letting her be in control. During this time hubby kept well away so as not to make her scared and after over an hour she finally approached me and let me give her a gentle stroke, I knew then that we could help her but was under no illusion that it would be easy.

She took a fair bit of work to gain her trust, with her piddling herself from fear even when we just glanced at her. Eventually she became the most loving dog you could ever want and adored my hubby, becoming his shadow and having had her for nearly 16 years we never regretted doing so.

 

[Minxy]

Be careful with the liver cake as too much rich offal can cause diarrhea ... not something you want to have to clean up as well as the wee ... your mum would certainly not be happy!

 

[Gina M]

Sometimes youd think she didn't like me , then other times .....View attachment 599615
Big clumsy oaf sent my glasses flying though wanting her belly rubbedView attachment 599614

OMG she loves you so much. She is just so gorgeous and so very lucky to have found you How's your lovely mum coping? mine would have chucked us out by now.

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[Val 3 dogs]

A friend here at the moment has an adolescent rescue labrador cross. He was livIng rough around the lake and vIllage before she took him in.
He too is frightened of partially open doors and doorways, my big dog Guapo was the same.
I brought Guapo home, walking reasonably happily on a lead when we approached the house he threw himself on tbe floor "star fish" manner and could not be persuaded even to approach tbe door.
It took two of us to bodily lift him out of the road.
It took me about 45 mins to persuade him to move forward covering the 10 foot to the door.
I had to physically lift his prone body over the threshold of tbe door.
That was six or seven months, I have discovered since that he was nine months old at the time.
I don't believe he had been "cruelly" treated but like a lot of Spanish dogs was not allowed in tbe house and had probably been very vigorously shooed out and may at some point also have collided with a partially open door whilst making his escape.
I am pleased to say that it probably only took a couple of months for him to overcome his fear, but he was only a comparatively young pup so it wasn't too ingrained.

 

[Val 3 dogs]

As someone suggested earlier Tam it might be a good idea to move Ela out into the caravan for now and then you could just put her on tbe lead before going into Mum's and keep her on the lead all the while you are there.
You could practise going in and out of the door in a controlled manner using lots of treats. This would combine with teaching her recall. As was also said earlier small pieces of cheese are popular with the dogs.
Some of the commands I use for my dogs are "close" and "here" maybe instead of "come" I also find "wait". good for doorways and gates.
With Ela already on the lead you could incorporate "sit" into this and have a ten minute training session several times a day.

 

[L' Hobo]

As someone suggested earlier Tam it might be a good idea to move Ela out into the caravan for now and then you could just put her on tbe lead before going into Mum's and keep her on the lead all the while you are there.
You could practise going in and out of the door in a controlled manner using lots of treats. This would combine with teaching her recall. As was also said earlier small pieces of cheese are popular with the dogs.
Some of the commands I use for my dogs are "close" and "here" maybe instead of "come" I also find "wait". good for doorways and gates.
With Ela already on the lead you could incorporate "sit" into this and have a ten minute training session several times a day.

I know little about 'modern' dog behaviour but, might she not be happier hitched on a 'running wire' outside ( a ground stake both ends and a strong wire between, like husky's)

When we had farm dogs, in the 50-60's, none of them were allowed into the farm-house. They all were chained outside in their own, individual, small house shaped, kennels with just some straw to lay on.

Sounds harsh I know, but that was the general practices in those days.

They were there, besides working on the farm, to guard the farmyard and us children. (They loved every minute of it!)

 

[barsteward]

I won't cloud the water any more than it already is but in response to your question about slipping the lead.
I use a harness it can not be slipped, I don't always use it but as Jay Jay is becoming less mobile I have to lift him into the motorhome and at 30 kilos that can be very taxing.
The harness has a large hand hold strap on the top which takes some of the strain out of lifting plus supports his stomach.

 

[L' Hobo]

Seeing those pics there is no way she is not staying with you.

Totally agree, typical girlfriend, they irritate one so much that you don't care if they stay or go, and then they come over and give you a cuddle and one just melts!

Thank God all those days are behind me!

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[Northernraider]

I won't cloud the water any more than it already is but in response to your question about slipping the lead.
I use a harness it can not be slipped, I don't always use it but as Jay Jay is becoming less mobile I have to lift him into the motorhome and at 30 kilos that can be very taxing.
The harness has a large hand hold strap on the top which takes some of the strain out of lifting plus supports his stomach.

I also use a harness .

And twice now she's got out of it. When they want to they can. But i no longer attach her lead to the harness as it encourages her to pull..

 

[Northernraider]

One thing that makes me feel better is everytime i take the dogs tk the park i notice theres not one single dog there that is perfectly trained , every owner has issues.


But I've heard " you have your hands full there once ive heard it a million times now "

 

[Val 3 dogs]

I also use a harness .

And twice now she's got out of it. When they want to they can. But i no longer attach her lead to the harness as it encourages her to pull..

As you say a determined or frightened dog CAN get out of a harness, also it does encourage pulling or at least offers no way to discourage it!
Positive or reward based training definitely has it's place as does a harness on a full trained dog but one also needs a way to be able to convey, dare I say correct? the dog and tell it "that behaviour is not acceptable."
As our dogs do not speak English a properly positioned slip lead allows this communication to happen.

 

[Val 3 dogs]

I know little about 'modern' dog behaviour but, might she not be happier hitched on a 'running wire' outside ( a ground stake both ends and a strong wire between, like husky's)

When we had farm dogs, in the 50-60's, none of them were allowed into the farm-house. They all were chained outside in their own, individual, small house shaped, kennels with just some straw to lay on.

Sounds harsh I know, but that was the general practices in those days.

They were there, besides working on the farm, to guard the farmyard and us children. (They loved every minute of it!)

I too grew up around farm dogs and gun dogs kept in this manner, fortunately times have chànged.
We now take into consideration that dogs are highly intelligent, gregarious animals whose mental health and trainability is not enhanced by being kept in "solitary confinement.
Tam keeps his dogs as companion animals as do most of us. Neither he nor Ela would derive any pleasure from her being kept fastened in the garden.

 

[L' Hobo]

I too grew up around farm dogs and gun dogs kept in this manner, fortunately times have chànged.
We now take into consideration that dogs are highly intelligent, gregarious animals whose mental health and trainability is not enhanced by being kept in "solitary confinement.
Tam keeps his dogs as companion animals as do most of us. Neither he nor Ela would derive any pleasure from her being kept fastened in the garden.

I hear what you saying but, none of our dogs were 'kept in solitary confinement' as there was 3 of them all in the same area and all ran, untethered, together on the farm during the day and, with 6 kids around, got more than their share of 'fuss'.

It is interesting to note, even today, when one is watching '3men and a dog' the shepherd is rarely seen making a lot of fuss of his/her dog yet, despite that lack of displayed emotion, one know the dogs are loved!

Perhaps if Ela has been used to running free, she might see the inside of a building as being in 'Solitary Confinement'!

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