Taking your dog to Europe

[Minxy]

Don't know if it will apply to your Vets, but as Minxy Girl says, check the charges. We got a bit of a shock today, a straightforward consultation has been increased to £55.55 and £31.32 for eardrops. When I queried it I was told they've had to increase their fees as they can't see as many animals. These costs are around 50% higher than their usual fees. We're not in an expensive area normally - North Lincolnshire.

Our vet better not try that one on with us!!!!!

 

[Thedriver]

What ever happened to that" FANTASTIC DEAL "I seem to remember promised by the prodigal persons as they stood in front of a certain red bus!!
[/QUOTE Ask our Supreme Leader!! Go to eu er don't go to eu Get certificate no don't, wait 30 days unless unless you have a passport , if you don't, get a jab, wait 30 days, OOPS that one didn't work. Go back to the start, do not collect £200, Start again, wait 30 days. unless we are part 1 listed, then it will be the same as it is now, If we are part 2 listed it will be the first bit of my very clear instructions, If we are unlisted we will be a 3rd country. Is the dog still alive? then go to the EU. If when you get there we are part 2 listed only enter through the ppe ( or something lane ) and show them your documents. OH SHIT I forgot my AHC from my UK vet. Go back to UK and Start again, or Contact you SUPREME LEADER and tell him that this is not What he said it was going to be like. If you can get through the tailback of trucks waiting to get into the £65m customs controlled Truck park surrounded by Kent residents shouting, YOU SAID THAT THE TRUCKS WOULD FLOW THROUGH WITHOUT CHECKS. Answer, they do, The checks are 20mls up the M20. Who knows whats happening???
Bruce xxxx to all

 

[Casper46]

Our vet better not try that one on with us!!!!!

We have used the same French vet for 20 years. We took Casper for his return to UK check last Friday, it's has cost 20 euros more than it did at the beginning of March.

 

[Helen Ariel]

We got the titre test to be safe as we will not be coming back until March but didn't get the health certificate as hadn't heard anything about that. Hopefully that's just for entering the eu not retuning.

 

[Tykatem]

We got the titre test to be safe as we will not be coming back until March but didn't get the health certificate as hadn't heard anything about that. Hopefully that's just for entering the eu not retuning.

Yes if enforced after 31st Dec , you'll only require an Animal Health Certificate (AHC) to enter the EU

Pete

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[Minxy]

I wonder how much it's gonna cost to get a AHC from our vets on top of all the other costs for taking dogs/cats/ferrets abroad?

Our pooches already have their passports and jabs but each trip we will likely have to pay double what we were because of the AHC, around £111 in total per dog consisting of:

• Travel each way (£36 total)
• Return vet visit (approx £15 per dog)
• Worming tablet (approx £5)
• UK vet visit for an AHC (if required) - probably another £55 (consultation & cert)

So for our 3 pooches instead of £168 it would likely cost £333!

 

[NRM]

Just as a point of interest, would I need a pet passport to travel to Southern Ireland next year? Do you think some sort of reciprocal agreement will still be in position after December.
I have traveled loads of times before with no problems.

There is currently no reciprocal arrangement between mainland UK, only between Northern and Southern Ireland. You can travel to Southern Ireland without a pet passport by travelling from the mainland to Northern Ireland and then driving into Southern Ireland; doing the reverse on the way back. What you cannot do is travel from mainland UK (Scotland, Wales, England) directly to Southern Ireland unless you have a valid per passport; the same applies to the reverse journey. It may seem illogical but them's the rules; been there and done that.

 

[Minxy]

There is currently no reciprocal arrangement between mainland UK, only between Northern and Southern Ireland. You can travel to Southern Ireland without a pet passport by travelling from the mainland to Northern Ireland and then driving into Southern Ireland; doing the reverse on the way back. What you cannot do is travel from mainland UK (Scotland, Wales, England) directly to Southern Ireland unless you have a valid per passport; the same applies to the reverse journey. It may seem illogical but them's the rules; been there and done that.

Is that correct? I don't recall us ever being asked about a pet passport for going direct to Southern Ireland ...

 

[marrod23]

We have used the same French vet for 20 years. We took Casper for his return to UK check last Friday, it's has cost 20 euros more than it did at the beginning of March.

Hi do you know if there is a reason for the sudden increase?

 

[emjaiuk]

Mailleraye-sur-Seine hasn’t changed, €15.50 still, although the days when that used to cover two dogs are gone

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[Casper46]

Hi do you know if there is a reason for the sudden increase?

I can’t really argue in French and the receptionist isn’t the happiest soul to talk to. I won't be using them again without asking the price first. They were very good when Casper got his French passport and at a really good price. I assume it’s because they have spaced out the appointments so cannot see as many patients.

 

[gus-lopez]

as they can't see as many animals.

Why not ? There is no additional cleaning as they were required to clean any equipemnt between animals even before the virus. there is no problem with persons attending as the sensible way is the same as health centres you only let in the one being treated & the rest stand outside exercising sd.

We got the titre test to be safe as we will not be coming back until March

The titre test is only required to get INTO the EU if the UK becomes a 3rd country.You only need pet pàssport to get back in to the UK

 

[NRM]

Is that correct? I don't recall us ever being asked about a pet passport for going direct to Southern Ireland ...

Yes, the ferry company from Holyhead to Dublin don't ask to see pet passport but when questioned if one is necessary they answer yes. Double checked with southern Ireland embassy in London and they confirmed pet passport was required, as did ministry of agriculture that required for entering UK direct from southern Ireland. They don't run the same level of checks as they do on Chanel crossings so you may never get asked for pet passport however if you get caught in spot check then it's quarantine for the dog(s). They have periodic purges at Holyhead on incoming vehicles looking for puppy farmed dogs and you can get caught up in one of these. If in doubt check with Irish embassy in London, trading standards (don't ask) on Anglesey who do the vehicle spot checks. I know it doesn't make sense if you can go in/out via northern Ireland and cross freely across the border to the south!! However that's the system and I decided not to try my luck and went Liverpool to Belfast ,crossed into southern Ireland and came back the same route without a pet passport. NB - although pet passport required for the direct route there is a derogation in place that means dogs don't need worming or a vet visit before leaving Southern Ireland direct for UK, or from the UK to southern Ireland

see also https://www.irishferries.com/uk-en/...faqs/pets-ireland-britain-routes/#PetPassport

 

[Oscar]

The Animal Health Certificate (AHC) being referred to, as being necessary post 31.12.20, this is not part of the pet passport is it? assume it's a separate certificate issued by the Vet, which you keep with the Pet Passport? I ask this as all the "Clinical Examination" pages in Oscar's passport are full

Elaine

 

[Casper46]

It will be separate health certificate and our vet said she wouldnt be able to issue one as Caspers Rabies titre test 9 years ago only had 21 days between inoculation and blood test, nowadays it is 30 days. This was 12 months or more ago, she wanted stupid money for another test and said it would be £25 each trip for a certificate. That was the price before COVID.

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[Oscar]

Just checked Oscar's from 2009 - he had 2 rabies vaccinations on 7.10.09 and 22.10.09, it looks as if the blood sample was taken by our Vet on the 13.11.09 (so 22 days) although the certificate says the date of testing is 18.11.09 so 27 days. So not sure where we are with this now, as we understood that as long as the rabies vaccinations were kept up to date, the original titre test was still valid.

 

[Brains]

You are all going to need a dog upgrade for a European Brand:

Exchange your English Setter for a French Poodle, or a Welsh Terrier for an German Shepard.

At least they should be able to get into their home counties, but they may have problems getting back in and may need a UK "right to stay" stamp in their passport, even if they were born here.

 

[Oscar]

Casper46 - did you have another titre test done then?

Pete - Tykatem - do you know if our original titre test done in 2009 will suffice? we know you are clued up on this

 

[Casper46]

Casper46 - did you have another titre test done then?

Pete - Tykatem - do you know if our original titre test done in 2009 will suffice? we know you are clued up on this

Yes. He had another blood test.
when I saw the Uk vet it was because Casper was due his Rabies booster, while I was there I asked about the health certificate. She was quitepositive that she could not possibly sign a health certificate that stated that there had been 30 days between initial inoculation and blood test. I argued with her that as it had been the rules when he had his first passport then it should stand, she still refused.At that point I took him to France, waited out the 30 days and had the blood test there. 90 euros it cost and I think 10 euros for his passport. We do have a French address which maybe matters.
I think that our English vet Is just out to make money. She wouldn't renew Caspers French prescription without me paying £38 for a consultation and £40 for 10 tablets. so I rang our French neighbours, they got his tablets from the French vet and posted them, in all it cost £15 euros. So the best thing to do is ask your vet if they will be willing to issue a health certificate when and if it is needed.
our biggest problem was getting blood out of a 37 kilo German Shepherd, last time it was needed he was only a pup. It took four of us to hold him whilst his leg was shaved.

 

[The Coops]

Correct me if I am wrong but you can travel to Ireland no problem with a pet under current legislation and also post 2021, from Ireland you can travel to France no problem and still use the EU rules about worming pet passports etc as you have come from an EU country, but if you do that with a pet it will cost about £600 for ferries , now those who travel with more than 3 dogs its a cheaper deal than all the palaver of crossing *Le Manche* from Dover to Calais . so use UK to Ireland have few days in the Emerald Isle cross to Brittany and the rest of the EU and return via the same route or am I reading everything wrong?

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[Oscar]

We've been in contact with 3 different vet practices in our area, and each one has told us a different scenario. Not one of them has mentioned the 30 day rule. We understood (mistakenly?) that the original titre would suffice.

Still researching ........................

 

[PeteH]

The loss of the EHIC is one of the worst things about Brexit.

If you've ever had to rely on emergency treatment/ healthcare in Europe before it's been so easy. My daughter had sepsis in Sweden and the free care she got was priceless. Now we'll be at the mercy of insurers and god help those with pre-existing...

It`s only the same as going to the USA.?.(where we have family) The last quote I had was (Deep Breath) Just short of 3 GRAND!.

 

[gus-lopez]

The Animal Health Certificate (AHC) being referred to, as being necessary post 31.12.20, this is not part of the pet passport is it? assume it's a separate certificate issued by the Vet, which you keep with the Pet Passport? I ask this as all the "Clinical Examination" pages in Oscar's passport are full

Elaine

No it isn't. Although they have ponced up the nam to AHC it isn't .

as the rabies vaccinations were kept up to date, the original titre test was still valid.

That is still correct. Ring defra to confirm it or email is better then you have it in writing.

She was quitepositive that she could not possibly sign a health certificate that stated that there had been 30 days between initial inoculation and blood test. I

She isn't signing a "health certificate to state that" All she & any other vet is signing is to say that the " animal is fit to travel" It has nothing to do with titre tests, blood tests , time between vaccination & blood test ,etc; etc; etc,
it is a simple " at the time I examined the dog/cat/ferret it was fit to travel".It can be done on a fag packet as long as stamped/signed & dated. Nothing else is required .There is no reqirement for them to see the animals passport nor can they ask,IT is" is it fit to travel" yes or no?

 

[Top Hat]

We've been in contact with 3 different vet practices in our area, and each one has told us a different scenario. Not one of them has mentioned the 30 day rule. We understood (mistakenly?) that the original titre would suffice.

Still researching ........................

Taking your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad

Take your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad: getting a pet passport or export health certificate, microchip, vaccinations and tapeworm treatments.

www.gov.uk

Below is part of what is in the above guidance.

Before your dog, cat or ferret can travel, you’ll need to take the following steps.

1. You must have your dog, cat or ferret microchipped and vaccinated against rabies.
2. Your pet must have a blood sample taken at least 30 days after its last rabies vaccination (whether that’s a booster or initial vaccination). Your vet may recommend a booster rabies vaccination before this test.
3. Your pet’s blood sample will be sent to a to an EU-approved blood testing laboratory.
4. Wait 3 months from the date the successful blood sample was taken before you can travel.
5. The vet must give you a copy of the test results and enter the day the blood sample was taken in an animal health certificate (AHC).

 

[Casper46]

No it isn't. Although they have ponced up the nam to AHC it isn't .
That is still correct. Ring defra to confirm it or email is better then you have it in writing.

She isn't signing a "health certificate to state that" All she & any other vet is signing is to say that the " animal is fit to travel" It has nothing to do with titre tests, blood tests , time between vaccination & blood test ,etc; etc; etc,
it is a simple " at the time I examined the dog/cat/ferret it was fit to travel".It can be done on a fag packet as long as stamped/signed & dated. Nothing else is required .There is no reqirement for them to see the animals passport nor can they ask,IT is" is it fit to travel" yes or no?

She told us that one of the questions on the certificate was - was there 30 days between the vaccination and the blood test.
DEFRA are probably changing the forms as often as the government change their minds about everything else. They seem to treat the general public like mushrooms.

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[Reallyretired]

I wonder how much it's gonna cost to get a AHC from our vets on top of all the other costs for taking dogs/cats/ferrets abroad?

Our pooches already have their passports and jabs but each trip we will likely have to pay double what we were because of the AHC, around £111 in total per dog consisting of:

• Travel each way (£36 total)
• Return vet visit (approx £15 per dog)
• Worming tablet (approx £5)
• UK vet visit for an AHC (if required) - probably another £55 (consultation & cert)

So for our 3 pooches instead of £168 it would likely cost £333!

Compare the costs with the alternatives of kennels and it doesnt look so bad. Your £333 would only keep our two in kennels for 10days

 

[Minxy]

Compare the costs with the alternatives of kennels and it doesnt look so bad. Your £333 would only keep our two in kennels for 10days

I knew kennels weren't cheap but that's ridiculous ... we'd never put ours in kennels though so we'll just have to keep paying for them to come with us.

I wonder if I could dress them up like kids as they go free ... hmm ... Lily DOES like dressing up and even Tazzy has 'reluctantly' worn a vest when she had her op ... don't think I'd be able to persuade Romy to wear anything though.

 

[Oscar]

Thanks for the replies - I have today emailed pettravel@alpha.gov.uk for clarification as to the suitability of Oscar's Titre Test taken in 2009, and the fact that it was 22 days (not 30) between the rabies vaccination and the blood sampling, as that was the DEFRA guideline at that time. Looking back on his passport, in 2010 you also had to get the european vet to administer flea treatment prior to returning to the UK.

I'll report back when (if!) I get a response

Elaine

 

[gus-lopez]

5.The vet must give you a copy of the test results and enter the day the blood sample was taken in an animal health certificate (AHC).

Which isn't what is supposed to be being used for the "fitness to travel certificate" !!
The AHC is a document used for the export of animals. I know I 've been there having had to 'export' my dogs from myself in the UK to myself in Spain.

She told us that one of the questions on the certificate was - was there 30 days between the vaccination and the blood test.

It is on an AHC but all they stated was that any animal traveling would only require a 'fitness to travel ' cert as in a cursory check as to the animals health.
As long as the pet passport is correct , up to date , signed ,stamped & sealed the pet passport regulations cover anything else required.
If the time between the original rabies jab & the blood test was correct when done & the information was ok for the pet passport if it is now not ok for an AHC why is the passport also not invalid?
Another thing to bear in mind is that at the outset they also stated that after a no deal when these 'fitness to travel ' would be required you would also have to get one from a foreign vet to enter the UK ?? How would that work?



Animal health certificates are valid for:
a single trip

up to 10 days after the date of issue for entry into the EU

onward travel within the EU for four months after the date of issue, or until the date the rabies vaccination expires

re-entry to the UK for 4 months after the date of issue provided that the rabies vaccination does not lapse (a booster whilst in the EU would maintain validity of the AHC for return travel to the UK only).


The above is what they can be used for.They have nothing to do with "fitness to travel" & it would appear they are attempting to use something that is available & doesn't require any thing simple & new to be drawn up.
It looks again as if the DEFRA have invented yet another nonsense that is totally unnecessary akin to the illogical worming treatment within the 5 days before return.

 

[Reallyretired]

I knew kennels weren't cheap but that's ridiculous ... we'd never put ours in kennels though so we'll just have to keep paying for them to come with us.

I wonder if I could dress them up like kids as they go free ... hmm ... Lily DOES like dressing up and even Tazzy has 'reluctantly' worn a vest when she had her op ... don't think I'd be able to persuade Romy to wear anything though.

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Ours have gone into the same, good but not cheap, kennels since pups as swmbo likes her annual cruise, though not this year.
A 30 day cruise is well over £1k for the kennels, though at least partly my fault as I hate flying and airports which makes a shorter cruise impractical. Our dogs love swimming and our kennels have a private lake and lots of land where they can explore off lead. They are still pleased to see us when we collect them.

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