Shop workers threatened.

[Realist]

Everyone has opinions and as I said today’s society the snowflake society have been brought up not to be smacked, shouted at, not afraid of anyone in authority.

So I wonder why no one give a rats arse any more.

 

[phillipsheila]

My girls on front counter still get threatened with violence etc because the doilies for Mrs Smiths Autotrail are on back order. It’s a joke.

give me a shout i dont mind cracking a few heads to see people see sense over silly things {ex bouncer old skool[

 

[MattR]

Everyone has opinions and as I said today’s society the snowflake society have been brought up not to be smacked, shouted at, not afraid of anyone in authority.

So I wonder why no one give a rats arse any more.

I've no idea why you keep accusing "snowflakes" (I assume that you're referring to younger folk) of being responsible for this but from my observations it seems that a wide range of folk are not wearing masks, including miserable middle-aged folk and grumpy wrinklies. No wonder younger folk have struggled without good role models.

 

[Dutch 68]

Here is why I will continue to wear a mask, and why it should be as antisocial as drink driving to be unvaccinated:

On Monday morning I popped into Marks and Spencer unexpectedly before a funeral. Whilst I was in the queue to pay, I spotted an old lady on the floor who'd toppled over on her zimmer. Needless to say I got pretty close to her as I helped her up, dusted her down and checked her over before her friend arrived.

Had I been someone insistent on my "right" not to wear a mask in a shop, I could have unwittingly put a vulnerable person at risk simply by helping them.

It's not your own protection I care about - I'm quite happy for you to play Russian roulette with your own health just as I would be for you to get in a car after a skinful. I care about your ability to cause harm to other innocent people.

I think it is very anti social to call people anti social if not vaccinated, and that is me being polite, there are a multitude of reasons why people are not vaccinated, and this should always be a freedom of choice, we are not in North Korea, ( and yes i am vaccinated my self, by my own free will) and how healthy is it to wear a mask all day? Ever thought about that one? Use your common sense and don’t judge the choice other people are making.

 

[Northernraider]

Since it became legal for peeps to avoid wearing masks, my better half and both sprogs have caught covid and several friends have. Several of these have been double jabbed, one or more single jabbed and several experiencing post viral fatigue. Folk may be avoiding wearing masks for a number of reasons but if they are thinking how right they are to not wear them, they might regret it later.

Either folk wear masks forever or realise that this virus is here to stay and the government are still pursuing the herd immunity they said they were last march

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[EuroTrotters]

Speaking to my son over the weekend and he says in the supermarkets of Aber around 30% are not wearing masks

Maybe we should all just “stay at home “ ?

 

[Northernraider]

I didn’t say governments or anyone in such a place did I. Please stop trying to twist things.

Perhaps not directly but the fact you said the sensible ones are those still wearing them yet it was the government that said you didnt have to then effectively you did say the government wasn't sensible.

No one is twisting things.

 

[MattR]

Either folk wear masks forever or realise that this virus is here to stay and the government are still pursuing the herd immunity they said they were last march

Even with herd immunity, folk will continue to get infected. Double jabbed folk are dying from the virus. I know folk who have had covid twice in the last 15 months, despite being vaccinated earlier in the year.

 

[Jim]

Since it became legal for peeps to avoid wearing masks, my better half and both sprogs have caught covid and several friends have. Several of these have been double jabbed, one or more single jabbed and several experiencing post viral fatigue. Folk may be avoiding wearing masks for a number of reasons but if they are thinking how right they are to not wear them, they might regret it later.

I'm sure if you checked, most of the people you know who caught it had eaten potatoes in the previous week. IMO Blaming the potatoes for Covid is as silly as blaming non mask wearers. Infections have been on the rise, means more people are going to catch it, mask wearing or not.

 

[Jillytots]

Wearing a mask has become a political (?!) statement, allegedly .
I live in a small Midlands industrial town , where , on social media, the ignorant and uneducated gather to expound their extremist theories.Often very right wing, I discovered. If you are racist, you don't think you're racist , you think " you're the voice of the people"
We've all got too much time on our hands.
Ideally, look at social media as little is possible.
Last time I looked , people there were talking about black people and saying " would you want one living next door to you"

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[MattR]

I'm sure if you checked, most of the people you know who caught it had eaten potatoes in the previous week. IMO Blaming the potatoes for Covid is as silly as blaming non mask wearers. Infections have been on the rise, means more people are going to catch it, mask wearing or not.

Potatoes haven't been shown to reduce the rate of Covid-19 transmission have they? Wearing masks seems to be a recommended measure to combat the spread, even if it upsets those who struggle with the idea of protecting others.

 

[Dutch 68]

I'm sure if you checked, most of the people you know who caught it had eaten potatoes in the previous week. IMO Blaming the potatoes for Covid is as silly as blaming non mask wearers. Infections have been on the rise, means more people are going to catch it, mask wearing or not.

Exactly, this virus doesn’t need much to be transmitted, surface transmission is possibly the biggest risk, so unless you make your life into an hospital theatre scene, if you are unlucky then you are gone get it, yes be as vigilant as possible but that is not a given you will escape it,

 

[Glas Robin]

I think it is very anti social to call people anti social if not vaccinated, and that is me being polite, there are a multitude of reasons why people are not vaccinated, and this should always be a freedom of choice, we are not in North Korea, ( and yes i am vaccinated my self, by my own free will) and how healthy is it to wear a mask all day? After thought about that one? Use your common sense and don’t judge the choice other people are making.

I have every right to judge people who won't take the vaccine - especially when it is based upon misinformation, misunderstanding or simply Billy big bollocks nonsense. There are a vanishingly small number of legitimate clinical reasons for not being vaccinated.

However, you are quite right - people are quite free not to be vaccinated. But given it is the safe, effective, considerate and intelligent action to take - they shouldn't be surprised when other people judge them for the decisions they make in the midst of a viral pendemic that is killing and harming large numbers of people indiscriminately. It is the 85% of us who have made the right choice who are protecting the rest, and who have made it possible for the economy to relatively safely re-open.

Likewise, you are perfectly free to judge me for the choices I make - it's no skin off my nose if you do, and part of being free.

The point about not being vaccinated being antisocial like drink-drving - is that the individual poses a risk to other innocent and uninvolved parties who can take no precautions themselves to avoid the risk. That is anti-social beahviour in my book. It took a while for drink driving to be thought of this way too. "It's only a couple of drinks, I'm doing no harm" was tolerated for far too long.

On the point of masks - I wear one all day at work. The surgeons and theatre staff here don't seem to find it unhealthy in least to wear theirs all day - and have done all their careers, not just the past year and a half. Ever thought about that one?

Declaration of interest: I know a reasonable degree of what I am talking about. I have worked in the NHS for the past 26 years, worked on the covid response daily throughout the pandemic in a heart/chest hospital. Since last December I have run the vaccine rollout across 2 counties, and a hospital vaccination centre. It is my business to understand the science and policy.

 

[Northernraider]

Even with herd immunity, folk will continue to get infected. Double jabbed folk are dying from the virus. I know folk who have had covid twice in the last 15 months, despite being vaccinated earlier in the year.

Yep i said months ago this vaccine would not be the saviour folk thought it would be.

 

[Dutch 68]

Potatoes haven't been shown to reduce the rate of Covid-19 transmission have they? Wearing masks seems to be a recommended measure to combat the spread, even if it upsets those who struggle with the idea of protecting others.

Is that why government waited so long to recommend them yes? Denying for months that they would help, if you want to protect others it would be a good start if people isolated themselves when getting symptoms and not a few days later after getting a positive test.

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[monzer]

Potatoes haven't been shown to reduce the rate of Covid-19 transmission have they?

 

[MattR]

Exactly, this virus doesn’t need much to be transmitted, surface transmission is possibly the biggest risk, so unless you make your life into an hospital theatre scene, if you are unlucky then you are gone get it, yes be as vigilant as possible but that is not a given you will escape it,

Surface transmission is not the biggest risk... In fact it is quite low. The biggest risk is from respiratory transmission. Coincidently, that can be reduced by wearing masks

 

[Northernraider]

Potatoes haven't been shown to reduce the rate of Covid-19 transmission have they? Wearing masks seems to be a recommended measure to combat the spread, even if it upsets those who struggle with the idea of protecting others.

Yet for the first 6 months or so they were claimed to absolutely useless. They dont stop you catching it ...only allegedly stop you passing it on .

But the amount of people i see wearing them and removing them to speak is ridiculous. Theres also the constant touching them.

Ive probably done one of the more risky jobs since the start of this ... delivering food . Probably 50 doors a night passing paper packages back and forth and handling cash etc .

I honestly cant believe this virus is apparently so easy to transmit yet ive not caught it yet ...im either the luckiest sob out there or it isnt as easy to catch as its claimed.

Ive even had idiot customers who have ordered food and dont tell us they are self isolating till im at their door . The infection rates will keep rising ...that was bound to happen when everything opened up again

 

[Jim]

Potatoes haven't been shown to reduce the rate of Covid-19 transmission have they?

I don't think its proven no . But then neither has it been proven that the latest rises have anything to do with masks.

As a layman I would guess the increases have much more to do with the dwindling social distancing. This is not practised nearly as much, even by those wearing masks. Our local supermarket this weekend, removed all the floor signage, the one way system and all other Covid signs.

I went in today and it was rammed with holiday makers, People wearing masks queing for tills with 2019 social distancing, ie none. I didn't bother and went back later when it was quieter.

 

[Glas Robin]

Either folk wear masks forever or realise that this virus is here to stay and the government are still pursuing the herd immunity they said they were last march

Herd immunity is a natural biological thing - and the only way we will move past this virus. We achieve herd immunity naturally once most people have been exposed and either died or recovered with an immune response, or we achieve it artificially thorugh a safe vaccine. Iknow which I prefer.

Herd immunity is not a bad thing, it is the whol goal of what we are doing - delay the worst effects of the virus (medical and economic) until we establish herd immunity. Every government in the world is pursuing that strategy - largely because there is no alternative.

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[MattR]

Is that why government waited so long to recommend them yes? Denying for months that they would help, if you want to protect others it would be a good start if people isolated themselves when getting symptoms and not a few days later after getting a positive test.

It is part of the solution. Pls don't mistake Bojo's failure to take action for a lack of scientific validity.

 

[Glas Robin]

Yet for the first 6 months or so they were claimed to absolutely useless. They dont stop you catching it ...only allegedly stop you passing it on .

But the amount of people i see wearing them and removing them to speak is ridiculous. Theres also the constant touching them.

Ive probably done one of the more risky jobs since the start of this ... delivering food . Probably 50 doors a night passing paper packages back and forth and handling cash etc .

I honestly cant believe this virus is apparently so easy to transmit yet ive not caught it yet ...im either the luckiest sob out there or it isnt as easy to catch as its claimed.

Ive even had idiot customers who have ordered food and dont tell us they are self isolating till im at their door . The infection rates will keep rising ...that was bound to happen when everything opened up again

It's entirely possible you caught it and had no symptoms. Around a third of people are like this - but they can still pass it on unknowingly.

Masks are one tool that helps reduce the transmission risk. Not perfect, but a useful part of the armoury.

I am glad you've kept well, and hope people have thanked you for what you do.

 

[MattR]

I don't think its proven no . But then neither has it been proven that the latest rises have anything to do with masks.

As a layman I would guess the increases have much more to do with the dwindling social distancing. This is not practised nearly as much, even by those wearing masks. Our local supermarket this weekend, removed all the floor signage, the one way system and all other Covid signs.

I went in today and it was rammed with holiday makers, People wearing masks queing for tills with 2019 social distancing, ie none. I didn't bother and went back later when it was quieter.

It is part of the solution. If folk combined their social distancing with masks, the rate of spread would be reduced.

 

[Glas Robin]

...do you know that more men in their 40's have died after 1 dose of the astra zeneca vaccine in the last 4 months than have died in total from covid in the last 18 months ?

That is simply not true. Please don't spread misinformation. It can be dangerous.

 

[Northernraider]

That is simply not true. Please don't spread misinformation. It can be dangerous.

Oh it most certainly is true

Ive actually been asked to take part in a trial as ive only received one dose and im 48 but ive declined.

647 deaths in 14 months from covid

806 deaths from astra zeneca vaccine in 4 months

Over 600,000 reactions to the vaccine.

After 1 dose

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[Swifter]

 

[Glas Robin]

Oh it most certainly is true

Would you care to cite your source. A reputable one. Because I assure you it is not true.

 

[Jillytots]

I came to Wales after the first English lockdown .
I found the shops often had run out of hand sanitizer etc
In England we were already going through it.
I was quite shocked .( I'd had Covid very early on and still have long Covid)
I guess we all come to our realisation at different times.
Very easy to be holier than thou , now, you've finally jumped on the train

 

[MattR]

Yet for the first 6 months or so they were claimed to absolutely useless. They dont stop you catching it ...only allegedly stop you passing it on .

But the amount of people i see wearing them and removing them to speak is ridiculous. Theres also the constant touching them.

Ive probably done one of the more risky jobs since the start of this ... delivering food . Probably 50 doors a night passing paper packages back and forth and handling cash etc .

I honestly cant believe this virus is apparently so easy to transmit yet ive not caught it yet ...im either the luckiest sob out there or it isnt as easy to catch as its claimed.

Ive even had idiot customers who have ordered food and dont tell us they are self isolating till im at their door . The infection rates will keep rising ...that was bound to happen when everything opened up again

Who was "they"? Once again, I'm reporting that masks are part of the solution. Scientists and medics advise wearing them. Complacent and ignorant folk struggle to wear them. It doesn't mean that they don't help reduce the spread of it.

 

[Jillytots]

Even people who have been vaccinated can still pass it.
The rate is no higher than people who havent
Having the vaccine doesn't stop you passing it on you know.
I m happy to wear the mask to avoid passing it on, should I carry the virus a second time.
Anyone disagree ?
I would love to hear a scientific , peer reviewed arguament.

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