Schengen possible relaxation rules

[The Wino]

Simplest just to rejoin the EU

No need could just join the EEA still not in the EU but easy travel and no customs at the NI UK border or the channel easy access to eu labour not likely to happen far too sensible

 

[jumar]

Spain wants to scrap the 90 day rule for British tourists

Spain is set to lobby the EU over a rule that limits British tourists to 90 day visits.

www.euronews.com

Spain wants to scrap the 90 day limit for UK visitors, allowing them to stay in the country indefinitely.

Non-EU visitors are only allowed to visit Schengen area countries for 90 days in every 180 day period.

But Spain is set to ask EU authorities to relax this rule for British holidaymakers.

The restriction works against Spain’s interests, Spanish Tourism Secretary Fernando Valdés said.

“Unfortunately, [the rule] is not something Spain has established by itself or can get rid of,” he told the i newspaper.

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[Al n Val]

If is down to the EU, it is doubtful Spain will get it through.
If they just do it without the cabal in Brussels agreeing then Spain may get hit with sanctions by the wonderful EU

Why not?, France have and it didn’t take them too long did it, they knew it was financially better for them to issue a long stay visa.

This is even more important I feel for Spain to do and i’m amazed they didn’t do it the same day as “B”

 

[EuroTrotters]

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I won’t read that tripe

 

[gus-lopez]

Dutch people are loving it here. A few say its due to wealth tax in the Netherlands, poor weather, early retirement (a lot of wealthy early retirees ). Why stay in Expensive , windy, cold Amsterdam when you can be in Spain.

As long as they stay as 'tourists' they are ok. buy a place & move here & they have to deregisterin the Netherlands.

France have and it didn’t take them too long did it, they knew it was financially better for them to issue a long stay visa.

France have always had it.they didn't come up with it for brits to get around 90 days.

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[RayD]

The UK was never part of the Schenzen Agreement before Brexit and EU countries did not monitor the issue!!
Teresa May, during her Brexit negotiations extended to EU countries the right for their citizens to come to UK for 180 days, and got nothing in return for her generosity!! Germany & France wished to punish UK for Brexit so insisted that Schenzen rules would be enforced.
As I understand it, all 27 members of EU would have to vote for a relaxation, and I cannot see that happening despite the wishes of the Spanish, Italian, Portuguese or Greeks.

Dream on!!

 

[The Wino]

The UK was never part of the Schenzen Agreement before Brexit and EU countries did not monitor the issue!!
Teresa May, during her Brexit negotiations extended to EU countries the right for their citizens to come to UK for 180 days, and got nothing in return for her generosity!! Germany & France wished to punish UK for Brexit so insisted that Schenzen rules would be enforced.
As I understand it, all 27 members of EU would have to vote for a relaxation, and I cannot see that happening despite the wishes of the Spanish, Italian, Portuguese or Greeks.

Dream on!!

I don't think Teresa May actually negociated the final withdrawal deal hers was never agreed here. I suspect the 90 day limit was a very small concern compared to everything else like NI etc

 

[LesW]

Brexit negotiations

There were negotiations?!!

 

[ghiaguy]

As I understand it. EU visitors to UK do not need a visa and can stay for up to 6 months. None of this 90/180 malarkey. The 6 months I believe runs from each date of entry into the UK. I guess the UK is not spending time and energy trying to make things difficult so as to punish the EU. The easy thing for the EU to do would be to reciprocate, but then, as we have been told so often " leaving the EU must have consequences ".

All third countries abide by the 90 day rule not just the uk, there will be no change in my eyes.

 

[jumar]

I won’t read that tripe

Of course...but so many do, and what's written in the Press is the truth....this Whole saga about Spain is misleading so many people....I really fail to understand how so many folk are easily taken in by all of this..
I'm waiting for someone to provide hard factual evidence that Spain is pushing to get an extended stay visa...not just an off the cuff remark by a Tourism Minister that the press got hold of....

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[jumartoo]

How can anyone, politician, or politcal "wannabee experts", say how much Spain has lost out due to Br***t. Since B, CV happened, and tourist numbers were hugely depleted by that. This year is the first, almost normal, year of relaxed travel. There were still some CV regs in place until September.

Until a full year of "normal" travel figures are collated, no-one can know what the B effect has had on anywhere.

Maybe that's what some governments are waiting for ??

 

[Al n Val]

France have always had it.they didn't come up with it for brits to get around 90 days.

Well they say every days a school day and I never knew that you needed to purchase a long stay visa to allow us to stay up to 180 days in France.

Why would anyone apply when you could stay for 180 days anyway as rules have never been enforced.

Also I wonder why afaik, it’s only been mentioned then across the internet for the last 12 months

Not that i’d have applied for one tbh

 

[nicholsong]

Greece has a Financially Independent Persons Visa (FIP). Having a passive income (Pensions/Investments etc.) of 2.4K euros per month will get a 24 month visa, renewable every 24 months as long as the income continues. Or provide evidence of 57,600 in savings (2,400 x 24). There is an uplift of 5% for spouse. There is a restriction on working as the visa is purely to attract retirees and financially independent people.

Mick

Thanks for that. I have been on the websites and as well as the 24 month visa there is a 'D' visa for 12 months which appears version to have no requirements, unlike the 24-month one, to have no property ownership or rental agreement, nor requirement to reside for 6 months, although I do not know how that could be policed if one does not leave Schengen, which could be useful for MHomers.

I will contact a law firm specialising in this field.

Geoff

 

[Realist]

Spain will push for this, tourists are one of the biggest money earners specially from the U.K.

Hope it gets the go ahead.

 

[jongood]

No need could just join the EEA still not in the EU but easy travel and no customs at the NI UK border or the channel easy access to eu labour not likely to happen far too sensible

Isn't that the one where we have to follow all EU rules without getting a say in them? Including how we make stuff etc

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[The Wino]

Isn't that the one where we have to follow all EU rules without getting a say in them? Including how we make stuff etc

If you want to freely export into the EU with no customs how else would you do it? It's what Norway do and several others. We aren't going to decide it on here. I suspect it's going to have to get a lot worse economically before it would become palatable but certainly things aren't looking that great at the moment .

Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

The UK is the only G7 nation whose economy is smaller than it was before the Covid pandemic.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Minxy]

I won’t read that tripe

no voy a leer esa tripa

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

It's nothing to do with Madrid, or Brussels, unless Spain pulls out of being in Schengen.

Shengen is a policy of the EU. Albeit obligatory

 

[gus-lopez]

Well they say every days a school day and I never knew that you needed to purchase a long stay visa to allow us to stay up to 180 days in France.

You didn't.It was there for 3rd party countries not in schengen.Americans, NZ, aussies, canadians,etc; who wanted more than 90 days for various reasons.

Why would anyone apply when you could stay for 180 days anyway as rules have never been enforced.

You wouldn't as back then the UK was in the EU & it was only ever 90 consecutive days otherwise you bacame a resident even without applying but no one used to bother unless you comitted some offence.

Also I wonder why afaik, it’s only been mentioned then across the internet for the last 12 months

Because the brits are now looking for a way around 90 days that they were restricted to before but no one used to bother unless you comitted some offence

 

[Wyvern]

If Brussels can see it makes financial sense, then they may well go for it.
How about a 6 month EU visa for £50 ?

There are several issues: Will the entry be age related, should this be for the snowbirds only ?
(Earn no money, pay no tax)

One BIG issue will be if the UK can have 6 month visa's then why can't Ozzies or Yanks or Albanians etc. have them as well.?

Will it permit UK twenty-somethings to get a 6 month visa and do as they did before getting jobs pulling pints on the beach or cleaning ski chalets ?

There is also the other BIG issue, if the EU lets in the UK for a 6 month visa, what is the UK going to permit EU citizens to do in return ?

The EU needs to consider the overall picture, not just the future of a few hundred thousand extra visitors to the beaches of Spain

EU and indeed any other nationality can stay in the UK for 6 months on a tourist non work visa and have been able to do so for many years. The Schengen arrangement does not preclude a member states setting their own rules. HOWEVER in doing so, as part of the Schengen Agreement they have to give guarantees that the agreement will not be broken. In other words, they will have to police individuals to ensure they do not enter Spain say, bugger off to France for 6 months and the exit through Spain again. On the basis this is impossible to do without imposing a hard border….then this cannot be achieved without a rewrite of the agreement…..a catch 22 problem.

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[jongood]

If you want to freely export into the EU with no customs how else would you do it? It's what Norway do and several others. We aren't going to decide it on here. I suspect it's going to have to get a lot worse economically before it would become palatable but certainly things aren't looking that great at the moment .

Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

The UK is the only G7 nation whose economy is smaller than it was before the Covid pandemic.

www.bbc.co.uk

Is this an auto correct? I'm not getting your point here.

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[The Wino]

Is this an auto correct? I'm not getting your point here.

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You said about us having to follow EU rules on how things are made my point is if we wanted to trade with the EU without customs etc how could we unless we follow EU rules

 

[jumar]

If it’s nothing to do with Brussels what is all this about according to them it’s the EU s best achievement?

Schengen, borders and visa

The Schengen area allows people in the EU to move freely between Schengen countries, without internal borders. At the same time, the EU and EU countries makes sure that external borders remain protected.

home-affairs.ec.europa.eu

Europe Countries - List of Visas for European Countries

visaguide.world

 

[nicholsong]

Europe Countries - List of Visas for European Countries

visaguide.world

I found that linked article somewhat inaccurate in some respects and deficient in others, e.g. it does not mention States which are not in Schengen but which adhere voluntarily to Schengen rules, e.g. Andorra.
It was also badly written, e.g. EU Citizens do not have 'a right to vote in the EU Parliament', only to vote for Members of the EU Parliament, and other errors.

Yours pedantically........

 

[bigtwin]

Yours pedantically........

I hate it when folks confuse accuracy with pedantry but understand exactly why you closed with those words.

Ian

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[EuroTrotters]

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[TheMachMan]

Mick

Thanks for that. I have been on the websites and as well as the 24 month visa there is a 'D' visa for 12 months which appears version to have no requirements, unlike the 24-month one, to have no property ownership or rental agreement, nor requirement to reside for 6 months, although I do not know how that could be policed if one does not leave Schengen, which could be useful for MHomers.

I will contact a law firm specialising in this field.

Geoff

Interesting. I wander if this uses up any of your 90 days for the rest of Schengen zone?

 

[LouthMick]

Mick

Thanks for that. I have been on the websites and as well as the 24 month visa there is a 'D' visa for 12 months which appears version to have no requirements, unlike the 24-month one, to have no property ownership or rental agreement, nor requirement to reside for 6 months, although I do not know how that could be policed if one does not leave Schengen, which could be useful for MHomers.

I will contact a law firm specialising in this field.

Geoff

whilst the type D visa allows the holder to remain within Greece for up to 365 days, it is still a temporary Visa. It expires after 365 days. It is mainly used as a temporary ‘gateway’ to other longer term visa’s, such as the Golden Visa (5 year residency permit) or when a person may need to work there for certain types of specific employment (government etc). I have a type D visa whilst my application for the Golden Visa is being processed.

 

[nicholsong]

whilst the type D visa allows the holder to remain within Greece for up to 365 days, it is still a temporary Visa. It expires after 365 days. It is mainly used as a temporary ‘gateway’ to other longer term visa’s, such as the Golden Visa (5 year residency permit) or when a person may need to work there for certain types of specific employment (government etc). I have a type D visa whilst my application for the Golden Visa is being processed.

Mick
Is the 'D' visa not renewable like the 24-month one, which is no use to us itinerants as it has residency requirements?

Geoff

 

[LouthMick]

Mick
Is the 'D' visa not renewable like the 24-month one, which is no use to us itinerants as it has residency requirements?

Geoff

There is a ‘Digital Nomad Visa’ - Google it. I’m not conversant with the requirements, but I believe it does not require residency.

There’s a Facebook group named “British in Greece”. It is a fantastic source of information. It is where I got a lot of information for my five year residency permit/golden visa.

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