Residency / Citizenship in another EU country - How easy or hard?

[The Wino]

I think you are just willing Gt Britain to fail in the future,,,Not much of a patriot,,,BUSBY..

See what I mean the brexit lot just can't keep quiet its a reflex action suggest you just post if either pro or anti brexit "see my post in the brexit thread" and leave it at that or pm if you must address the person concerne (I suppose yoyu will have a go at me now and say I'm not a moderator no I'm not its just the belly locker is the brexit thread lets argue there!)

 

[Freespirit1]

Live or visit a country and abide by their rules. Find out those rules in advance (as the OP @Freespirit1 is doing). If you don't like the rules then don't go. Or is that too simple?[/QUOTE]

Many thanks for that @Puddleduck - yes this thread is certainly putting the lifestyle groups it seems in the shade and we are getting very very useful info from our Ex pat Funsters - again many thanks there - it’s certainly enlightening me and will be applied to my continued travels within the EU.

ALL - So leave the “Leave / Remain arguments” in the Belly Locker eh!!

 

[Northernraider]

This is a very interesting and eye opening thread.

Even if it has now got me worried I've not done enough research.

I'm heading to Spain on the 12th Jan, it's a mix of a year travelling mixed with the idea of trying to find a job there and perhaps becoming a permanent resident.

But I wasn't aware of the 90 day rule or the 183 day rule

I had planned to spend a few months travelling down the east then perhaps over to gran canaria for 3 or 4 months and then back up the west and Portugal but doesn't look like i can do that legally

There's also the problem if I find work on route and not being able to apply for residencia while having a UK registered vehicle

I had hoped to just see how it played out as nothing is set in stone, ie I may not like mainland Spain that much or may not find work there etc

Not as easy as I had hoped

But very grateful for the information posted by those in the know

@gus-lopez if you don't mind I may need to ask you some help and info when I'm over in Spain....it would be much appreciated

 

[Freespirit1]

This is a very interesting and eye opening thread.

Even if it has now got me worried I've not done enough research.

I'm heading to Spain on the 12th Jan, it's a mix of a year travelling mixed with the idea of trying to find a job there and perhaps becoming a permanent resident.

But I wasn't aware of the 90 day rule or the 183 day rule

I had planned to spend a few months travelling down the east then perhaps over to gran canaria for 3 or 4 months and then back up the west and Portugal but doesn't look like i can do that legally

There's also the problem if I find work on route and not being able to apply for residencia while having a UK registered vehicle

I had hoped to just see how it played out as nothing is set in stone, ie I may not like mainland Spain that much or may not find work there etc

Not as easy as I had hoped

But very grateful for the information posted by those in the know

@gus-lopez if you don't mind I may need to ask you some help and info when I'm over in Spain....it would be much appreciated

Can I ask what sort of work you will be looking for - if your connected with shipbuilding then I may be able to be of assistance for work in Spain

 

[Northernraider]

Can I ask what sort of work you will be looking for - if your connected with shipbuilding then I may be able to be of assistance for work in Spain

To be honest I'm up for doing anything I can get that pays me enough to stay...over the years I've changed careers so many times.

I started off in mechanics when leaving school, then welding, spraypainting, powdercoated, then factory work on saws, fabricating machines etc and then the last 12 years in warehousing.

I can normally turn my hand to most things, I actually quite fancied something more sociable for a change so perhaps bar work to start with.

Who knows.....but labouring work in any industry id have a go

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[gus-lopez]

But very grateful for the information posted by those in the know

@gus-lopez if you don't mind I may need to ask you some help and info when I'm over in Spain....it would be much appreciated

not a problem

 

[nicholsong]

Live or visit a country and abide by their rules. Find out those rules in advance (as the OP @Freespirit1 is doing). If you don't like the rules then don't go. Or is that too simple?

Yes it is too simple, because if one is already in another country based on the 'freedom of movement rules', but not on 'residency' and the rules change for UK citizens, then one is in a situation where one could not have found out those rules in advance.

I have discovered that where I am now I cannot get 'Residency' for two years, even if I applied now. Even then it would not allow me to travel into another Schengen/EU country for more than 90 days, so would not replicate the 'freedom of movement' that I have now.

Geoff

 

[Lot lover]

I have discovered that where I am now I cannot get 'Residency' for two years, even if I applied now. Even then it would not allow me to travel into another Schengen/EU country for more than 90 days, so would not replicate the 'freedom of movement' that I have now.

Therein lies the problem with democracy.

 

[Northernraider]

not a problem

My brain has been ticking overnight so I wondered.
If I was to land in Santander 13th Jan and spend till end of March in east and south Spain, would then entering Gibraltar restart the clock and allow me 90 days in gran canaria? And then because I'm doing Portugal on the return trip and possibly a few weeks to a month in northern Spain before back to UK....am I likely to encounter problems?

 

[busby]

Yes it is too simple, because if one is already in another country based on the 'freedom of movement rules', but not on 'residency' and the rules change for UK citizens, then one is in a situation where one could not have found out those rules in advance.

I have discovered that where I am now I cannot get 'Residency' for two years, even if I applied now. Even then it would not allow me to travel into another Schengen/EU country for more than 90 days, so would not replicate the 'freedom of movement' that I have now.

Geoff

I thought 90 days was your max now,,although its blatantly abused,,,or is it 183??? Not really bothered as you are never checked,,BUSBY,,

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[busby]

My brain has been ticking overnight so I wondered.
If I was to land in Santander 13th Jan and spend till end of March in east and south Spain, would then entering Gibraltar restart the clock and allow me 90 days in gran canaria? And then because I'm doing Portugal on the return trip and possibly a few weeks to a month in northern Spain before back to UK....am I likely to encounter problems?

No one will know or care i should not think,,,Think the Remoaners are scaremongering as usual,,were doomed Mr Mannering,,were doomed,,,, BUSBY,,

 

[Puddleduck]

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Yes it is too simple, because if one is already in another country based on the 'freedom of movement rules', but not on 'residency' and the rules change for UK citizens, then one is in a situation where one could not have found out those rules in advance.

But you will be given time to find out the new rules. There will be time to become legal or the international courts will become very busy.

I thought 90 days was your max now,,although its blatantly abused,,,or is it 183??? Not really bothered as you are never checked,,BUSBY,,

I understand that 90 days is the maximum continuous length of time you can stay in a country before you have to register as a resident - and the 90 days can be reset by leaving the country and re-entering. The 183 days is a tax thing and is 183 days in a year. It used to be a tax year but may now be a running calendar year but I would have to check on those rules. I've never bothered as they don't affect me, if they were likely to do so I would check

 

[Puddleduck]

My brain has been ticking overnight so I wondered.
If I was to land in Santander 13th Jan and spend till end of March in east and south Spain, would then entering Gibraltar restart the clock and allow me 90 days in gran canaria? And then because I'm doing Portugal on the return trip and possibly a few weeks to a month in northern Spain before back to UK....am I likely to encounter problems?

Just don't go over the 183 days or you will be liable for the Spanish equivalent of income tax.

 

[busby]

Just don't go over the 183 days or you will be liable for the Spanish equivalent of income tax.

I was in Spain in my caravan for over 210 days in 2005,,haven't paid any tax yet,,BUSBY

 

[Snowbird]

Am not sure about this as it has never affected me as I fly home less than the 90 day limit for medical insurance reasons, but am pretty sure that if you are a state pensioner and stay outside the UK for over a certain time you must inform the pension service as you are classed as though you have emigrated and your pension is frozen so no annual increases. Also, your right to NHS treatment ends, and your doctor strikes you off there register. Do not think they do not know how long you have been out of the UK as your passport is scanned both ends now.

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[Northernraider]

Just don't go over the 183 days or you will be liable for the Spanish equivalent of income tax.

I might end up over the 183 days but in truth I've no idea yet as I may find a job at anytime when I'm there but might not.
I guess I can only play it by ear and see

 

[Puddleduck]

I might end up over the 183 days but in truth I've no idea yet as I may find a job at anytime when I'm there but might not.
I guess I can only play it by ear and see

I hope it all goes well for you.

Many years ago I used to deal with domicile for student fee issues and it is not easy or clear cut in some situations.

Probably best to keep records of dates and where you were, any tickets or receipts so you can prove where you were and when.

 

[Northernraider]

I hope it all goes well for you.

Many years ago I used to deal with domicile for student fee issues and it is not easy or clear cut in some situations.

Probably best to keep records of dates and where you were, any tickets or receipts so you can prove where you were and when.

Yeah I think your right ....ive no desire to intentionally break any laws or rules of the country ...but my trip is a mix of holiday and trying to find somewhere to work and possible relocate long-term....something I've not done before and not entirely sure how it will pan out till I just go do it

I hadn't originally planned to do it with a motorhome that came afterwards

 

[busby]

Yeah I think your right ....ive no desire to intentionally break any laws or rules of the country ...but my trip is a mix of holiday and trying to find somewhere to work and possible relocate long-term....something I've not done before and not entirely sure how it will pan out till I just go do it

I hadn't originally planned to do it with a motorhome that came afterwards

Good luck,,if your worried you can always get a cheap flight back to the UK for a couple of days to keep legal,,BUSBY,,

 

[Freespirit1]

My brain has been ticking overnight so I wondered.
If I was to land in Santander 13th Jan and spend till end of March in east and south Spain, would then entering Gibraltar restart the clock and allow me 90 days in gran canaria? And then because I'm doing Portugal on the return trip and possibly a few weeks to a month in northern Spain before back to UK....am I likely to encounter problems?

You could go up to 90 days on Spanish territory and then at least 24hrs in Gribraltar to then rest the count - then up to another 90 days in the CANARIAS - but that’s your lot within a 12 month period - and don’t forget to allow time within your 90 days to get back out of Spanish territory. The legal total cumulative days is 183.

That’s the legal position - some on here are saying they have stayed longer - others have explained the consequences of being caught - some regard the legal position as scaremongering - it’s your choice!

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[Northernraider]

Good luck,,if your worried you can always get a cheap flight back to the UK for a couple of days to keep legal,,BUSBY,,

I'll likely do that at somepoint during my trip but from things people have said on this thread I'm not sure that makes a difference to the 183 day thing.

But for the price of the ferry from Cadiz to gran canaria I want to spend at least 3 months there to make it worth while

 

[Northernraider]

You could go up to 90 days on Spanish territory and then at least 24hrs in Gribraltar to then rest the count - then up to another 90 days in the CANARIAS - but that’s your lot within a 12 month period - and don’t forget to allow time within your 90 days to get back out of Spanish territory. The legal total cumulative days is 183.

That’s the legal position - some on here are saying they have stayed longer - others have explained the consequences of being caught - some regard the legal position as scaremongering - it’s your choice!

It's very confusing
If I manage to get a job there which I believe means I need residency to do that then how does that affect me with my motorhome as it will be foreign registered

 

[vwalan]

You could go up to 90 days on Spanish territory and then at least 24hrs in Gribraltar to then rest the count - then up to another 90 days in the CANARIAS - but that’s your lot within a 12 month period - and don’t forget to allow time within your 90 days to get back out of Spanish territory. The legal total cumulative days is 183.

That’s the legal position - some on here are saying they have stayed longer - others have explained the consequences of being caught - some regard the legal position as scaremongering - it’s your choice!

no camping in gib though. they do get very stroppy if you stop overnight in a camper etc . best go morocco. do 90 days there and have lots fun. could possibly get to canaries from there as well. there was talk about reopening the ferry crossing between morocco and canaries . used to be very handy for extending winter hoildays in morocco.

 

[Freespirit1]

It's very confusing
If I manage to get a job there which I believe means I need residency to do that then how does that affect me with my motorhome as it will be foreign registered

Well - I think the information within this whole thread should make the situation clearer for you - however yes you should think about the Motorhome very carefully - perhaps spread your wings a bit and include the Greek islands in your travels?

 

[Freespirit1]

no camping in gib though. they do get very stroppy if you stop overnight in a camper etc . best go morocco. do 90 days there and have lots fun. could possibly get to canaries from there as well. there was talk about reopening the ferry crossing between morocco and canaries . used to be very handy for extending winter hoildays in morocco.

I’ve actually done it earlier this year - just one night along with another British van but as you say - I don’t advocate it

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[Northernraider]

no camping in gib though. they do get very stroppy if you stop overnight in a camper etc . best go morocco. do 90 days there and have lots fun. could possibly get to canaries from there as well. there was talk about reopening the ferry crossing between morocco and canaries . used to be very handy for extending winter hoildays in morocco.

Not sure if want to do 90 days in moroco but I wouldn't mind going for a few weeks at least
I'd looked to see if there were ferries from there to canaries but doesn't seem to be anything at the minute which is a shame as it's practically opposite.

 

[vwalan]

Not sure if want to do 90 days in moroco but I wouldn't mind going for a few weeks at least
I'd looked to see if there were ferries from there to canaries but doesn't seem to be anything at the minute which is a shame as it's practically opposite.

there was talk that its going to start again but from taraya . it used to be layoune was a few from agadir at one time.
mind there is also talk that a ferry from tarfaya to falmouth could be on the cards soon as well.
there has been loads of modernization and enlarging at tarfaya getting it ready.
some do have an odd night in gib . i have but did get warned by the local police not to do it . a small van ideal . was years ago i did it in my old vw but its not really allowed . even caravans get stopped entry etc . locals garage theirs in la linea etc .

 

[Northernraider]

Well - I think the information within this whole thread should make the situation clearer for you - however yes you should think about the Motorhome very carefully - perhaps spread your wings a bit and include the Greek islands in your travels?

To be honest after canaries and Spain..zante would be my next choice to relocate
Property is cheap there I viewed some houses when I was there in may ...but they still get rotten winters and I'm a sun lover hence wanting to relocate somewhere it's sunny all year round

Gran canaria being my no 1 choice but it depends entirely on finding work there

Alicante area I think is my second choice but not been there only seen it on telly so will reserve judgement till I've been

So if anyone knows of any jobs going lol

 

[Northernraider]

there was talk that its going to start again but from taraya . it used to be layoune was a few from agadir at one time.
mind there is also talk that a ferry from tarfaya to falmouth could be on the cards soon as well.
there has been loads of modernization and enlarging at tarfaya getting it ready.
some do have an odd night in gib . i have but did get warned by the local police not to do it . a small van ideal . was years ago i did it in my old vw but its not really allowed . even caravans get stopped entry etc . locals garage theirs in la linea etc .

Don't think I'd get away with mine then it isn't small by any stretch , I want to visit gib and it would have been nice to stay over unless Theres not much to see there

 

[vwalan]

To be honest after canaries and Spain..zante would be my next choice to relocate
Property is cheap there I viewed some houses when I was there in may ...but they still get rotten winters and I'm a sun lover hence wanting to relocate somewhere it's sunny all year round

Gran canaria being my no 1 choice but it depends entirely on finding work there

Alicante area I think is my second choice but not been there only seen it on telly so will reserve judgement till I've been

So if anyone knows of any jobs going lol

in winter morocco is better than canaries as the islands shelter the agadir area from the winds .
north and south morocco can be very windy . and rainy but agadir area is quite nice .

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