Residency / Citizenship in another EU country - How easy or hard?

[Speve]

They don't have to prove anything, you do!

So the emphasis would be on the driver to give dates etc?

 

[jumartoo]

So the emphasis would be on the driver to give dates etc?

The driver and anyone else in the country would have to prove how many days they'd been there (in the offchance that you are asked)!!! Which may be implemented more rigidly when the B word is finalised.

 

[Speve]

The driver and anyone else in the country would have to prove how many days they'd been there (in the offchance that you are asked)!!! Which may be implemented more rigidly when the B word is finalised.

I can see problems for those that wild camp and only use aires etc as they may not have receipts etc I suppose they would have fuel receipts though.

 

[jumartoo]

I can see problems for those that wild camp and only use aires etc as they may not have receipts etc I suppose they would have fuel receipts though.

Many people have been coming to Spain for many years (and continue to do so) and have never been asked to prove how long they've been here. Many people stay on campsites for months and are registered there from day 1 so proving otherwise would be impossible and they get away with it (so far).

How things will change in the next few years is anyone's guess. I will say that our Norwegian apartment owning friends are scrupulous in keeping records of their stay here and keep within the limits.

 

[busby]

Well - if Associate European Citizenship comes at a cost and quite understandably - then I personally would think an annual fee of perhaps £300 - £500 would be a fair price to pay!

And what benefits would you expect for your fee?

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[Yorick]

How about the 183 days cumulative work out then?

That would be too hard to prove. Never really bother here anyway.

 

[Yorick]

And what benefits would you expect for your fee?

Free beer

 

[The Nomad]

I was too - however i’ve found this info with the lifestyle group based in Southern Spain which is saying different.

There is so much that is simply wrong and misinformed about that Lifestyle group "advice" on vehicles in Spain that I suggest everyone just ignores their article.

 

[The Nomad]

So some are saying it's illegal for a resident (me) to drive an English vehicle. Is that one that belongs to them?

I'm gonna transfer my log book to my missus so it's all legal. She's still UK.

So does this mean that I can't drive it, even though I'd be on the new insurance ?

If you are registered as a Resident in Spain, I'm afraid there is no question or doubt about it at all.

As a registered Resident in Spain, it would be an offence for you to drive any non-Spanish registered vehicle on any public road in Spain.

The "up to 6 months guesting" derogation where a vehicle from one EU Member State can be used in another member state ONLY applies for temporary visitors to that 2nd Member State, NOT to Residents of that 2nd Member state.

That same limitation applies across the EU, thus it applies in reverse for a Spanish person in the UK..........he could take his Spanish vehicle across and use it in the UK for up to the 6 months limit (it's 6 months in any year) under British road traffic laws, SO LONG AS he was a temporary visitor, NOT a registered Resident in the UK. Once he'd registered as a UK Resident, he is NOT allowed to drive that foreign car there any longer; he has to change his car over to British registration.


There are only 2 exceptions to this road traffic law under the Reglamento General de Trafico - both designed to allow emergency use:-

1. As a Spanish Resident you CAN drive a foreign (eg British) registered vehicle on a Spanish road so long as it is not owned by you, and so long as the actual owner is present in the vehicle for the entire journey (and of course so long as it is legal to be driven in Spain) - so it must have been in the country for less than the 6 months "guesting" limit, it must have current VED and MOT, you must have a current licence entitling you to drive it, plus the owner/car must have insurance allowing you to drive it, with at least third party cover.

2. Following an accident you may start and move such a car from the carriageway to the side of the road in order to stop the road carriageway being blocked.




You need to be clear on this Residents foreign vehicle limitation, because if you broke it then as well as committing the Road Traffic offence under the Spanish Codigo Penal, it would also have potentially awful implications for any insurance claims you or the drivers of any other vehicles involved might try to make after any accident where you were driving illegally.

 

[nicholsong]

That same limitation applies across the EU, thus it applies in reverse for a Spanish person in the UK..........he could take his Spanish vehicle across and use it in the UK for up to the 6 months limit (it's 6 months in any year) under British road traffic laws, SO LONG AS he was a temporary visitor, NOT a registered Resident in the UK. Once he'd registered as a UK Resident, he is NOT allowed to drive that foreign car there any longer; he has to change his car over to British registration.

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What 'Register' would that be please?

Geoff

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[The Nomad]

What 'Register' would that be please?

Geoff

This may help perhaps? - although my detailed knowledge is on the Spanish rather than UK side of this.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/registration/taxes/index_en.htm

 

[poacher]

The Nomad's post at #69 above sets things out quite succinctly

Whilst the 90 days in Spain for the purposes of 'residency' tends not to be religiously policed - all things are up for scrutiny if / when enforcement have cause or reason to check, be it routine or otherwise

Please do not think the Spanish authorities cannot be 'switched on' when they want to be -
I was spoken to initially by the Guardia Civil (Laboral & Fiscal) - they, in due course, 'handed' me to the Guardia Civil Trafico and finally Aduana (Customs) had their two penneth worth
I 'survived' all but the Aduana (Customs) who in their pursuit of the proper dues made me, amongst others -
a)produce vehicle documentation - which had to be professionally translated into a Spanish registration document - V5 alone not acceptable
b)ferry tickets
c)the vehicle was required to undergo a Spanish ITV inspection to confirm mileage and CO2 emissions

from one who has been there, done that, fallen foul, had car impounded, paid his money and "got the T-shirt"
(but it makes for a great dinner conversation piece )

 

[Snowbird]

I remember some 15 years ago or more ago a glut of old British bangers running around in Benidorm. You could not park anywhere on the Rincon for old bangers with For Sale signs in the window. One night the grua came along and loaded the lot up and took them to the local pound. All that was left was a little yellow piece of paper on the pavement. Am talking at least 100 cars here, not one or two.

 

[busby]

I remember some 15 years ago or more ago a glut of old British bangers running around in Benidorm. You could not park anywhere on the Rincon for old bangers with For Sale signs in the window. One night the grua came along and loaded the lot up and took them to the local pound. All that was left was a little yellow piece of paper on the pavement. Am talking at least 100 cars here, not one or two.

My mate ran a brit reg Lada in Calpe back in the 90 s for 4 years before he was warned to register it in Spain,,it was about knackered by then,,,BUSBY..

 

[Decaf]

Well done @The Nomad. One of the most illuminating responses I've ever read on a forum.

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[Silver-Fox]

Well - you and me are probably guilty of that being on opposite sides so let’s you and me try it this way eh! and see if we can keep it like that

To be fair I think you will struggle to find where I have mentioned the B word and turned a normal post into a B post.
I may well of commented on said posts once they were turned

 

[chrisgreen]

To be fair I think you will struggle to find where I have mentioned the B word and turned a normal post into a B post.
I may well of commented on said posts once they were turned

tut tut tut! you aint been upsetting the remainers again. you must stop it! you know what delicate little flowers they are since they LOST the referendum

 

[Silver-Fox]

tut tut tut! you aint been upsetting the remainers again. you must stop it! you know what delicate little flowers they are since they LOST the referendum

Who me? I wouldn't dream of it I try to keep an open and balanced view

 

[Freespirit1]

To be fair I think you will struggle to find where I have mentioned the B word and turned a normal post into a B post.
I may well of commented on said posts once they were turned

Well - you might just have turned it with the following post to yours - have a word with him will you please or we will cover him in our petals and burry him

 

[busby]

I don't know why any one who wants to have EU rights and residency doesn't just emigrate to a country in mainland Europe,,,BUSBY,,

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[Freespirit1]

I don't know why any one who wants to have EU rights and residency doesn't just emigrate to a country in mainland Europe,,,BUSBY,,

Nor me - have you read the title of this post?

 

[busby]

Nor me - have you read the title of this post?

I did,,but reading your threads i get the impression,,i may be wrong but you don't actually want to emigrate,,your hoping for some way to still live in UK and have freedom as we have now to travel into Europe by somehow getting residency in another country..I personally do not think anything will change after BREXIT,,,,BUSBY,,

 

[Freespirit1]

I did,,but reading your threads i get the impression,,i may be wrong but you don't actually want to emigrate,,your hoping for some way to still live in UK and have freedom as we have now to travel into Europe by somehow getting residency in another country..I personally do not think anything will change after BREXIT,,,,BUSBY,,

Your quite right - I would - however it has been suggested by other Brexiteers besides you that doing what you suggest might be an option - we are exploring the consequences of that here. Some excellent feed back from our ex pats who have already done it - don’t you think?

#29 @Makingtrax is my ideal censario

 

[busby]

Your quite right - I would - however it has been suggested by other Brexiteers besides you that doing what you suggest might be an option - we are exploring the consequences of that here. Some excellent feed back from our ex pats who have already done it - don’t you think?

#29 @Makingtrax is my ideal censario

But the Expats actually live abroad and Brexit hasn't happened yet. Do you honestly think that the EU after Brexit will actually restrict movement(would mean putting border posts back in) enforce freedom of movement,,because if they did UK would do the same,,and more of them come to England than Brits go to Europe,,same with import/export ,,in fact everything in in their favour without restrictions or tariffs so stop worrying.In a few years if our elected government does not let us down,,Brittain can be GREAT again,,,BUSBY,,

 

[The Wino]

But the Expats actually live abroad and Brexit hasn't happened yet. Do you honestly think that the EU after Brexit will actually restrict movement(would mean putting border posts back in) enforce freedom of movement,,because if they did UK would do the same,,and more of them come to England than Brits go to Europe,,same with import/export ,,in fact everything in in their favour without restrictions or tariffs so stop worrying.In a few years if our elected government does not let us down,,Brittain can be GREAT again,,,BUSBY,,

Here goes the BR***T starting gun I knew it would go off soon some just can't help themselves saying the same again and again its almost like they think it will make it come true but not going to argue the toss!!

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[Freespirit1]

Here goes the BR***T starting gun I knew it would go off soon some just can't help themselves saying the same again and again its almost like they think it will make it come true but not going to argue the toss!!

Well - it’s my view we should just ignore these comments now and let them reap what they have sown!

 

[Snowbird]

I just do not understand where this freedom of movement thing is coming from. We had freedom of movement long before the EU was formed, I spent my whole working life roaming around Europe and beyond before the EU. Do people really believe that other EU countries are going to stop Brits from spending money on tourism. Do they also believe they will stop Brits who can financially support themselves from going to live in these countries and pay taxes etc. Nothing will change after Brexit for those willing to stay on the right side of the law, only for the fly by nights who think they can beat the system. For those of us with a legal motorhome and a passport the world will still be your oyster and you cash will not be refused.

 

[busby]

I just do not understand where this freedom of movement thing is coming from. We had freedom of movement long before the EU was formed, I spent my whole working life roaming around Europe and beyond before the EU. Do people really believe that other EU countries are going to stop Brits from spending money on tourism. Do they also believe they will stop Brits who can financially support themselves from going to live in these countries and pay taxes etc. Nothing will change after Brexit for those willing to stay on the right side of the law, only for the fly by nights who think they can beat the system. For those of us with a legal motorhome and a passport the world will still be your oyster and you cash will not be refused.

Common sense at last,,well said Snowbird,,,,,,BUSBY,,,

 

[busby]

Well - it’s my view we should just ignore these comments now and let them reap what they have sown!

I think you are just willing Gt Britain to fail in the future,,,Not much of a patriot,,,BUSBY..

 

[Puddleduck]

Am I the only one to think it rather sad and strange that the people on the "lifestyle" forums that appear to advocate flouting of the laws in the country they happen to have chosen as "home" are the first to say others who have broken the law in the country they are visiting should face the maximum penalties of their actions?

Just referring to the links to various expat communities listed on this thread and the Tramadol in Egypt links elsewhere.

Live or visit a country and abide by their rules. Find out those rules in advance (as the OP @Freespirit1 is doing). If you don't like the rules then don't go. Or is that too simple?

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