Propane Calor Gas Refils?

[StitchUp]

We use two 6Kg (Orange) Calor gas bottles in our van. To refill locally costs £37, that is swap empty for full.

I notice on eBay there are these:

I'm unsure if it's easy to find refil stations - do you do it yourself - I'm told it's a lot cheaper or is it a no go?

The eBay fitting is circa £30

Any advice/comments?

Thanks

 

[cyberyacht]

Then fun will begin when we have adapter for our hydrogen cylinders

R101 anybody?

 

[TonyEmm]

R101 anybody?

 

[gus-lopez]

If you have to ask if you can store calor in a house or why not as previously stated it’s in a motorhome. PLEASE PLEASE STORE BOTTLES OUTSIDE OR IN VENTILATED LOCKERS.

So why in Spain are freestanding gas cookers sold with a compartment to the side of the oven for the cylinder to be housed in?
All the kitchen has to have is a vent to outside.

as required by UK legislation.

Which doesn't apply in Portugal

. And please don't add it different in Portugal as that is outside of the context of this discussion.

What you need to remember is that in and it is illegal to refill THEIR national cylinders.it is not illegal to refill cylinders from any other country.
Whereas in the UK you cannot fill any cylinders due to the monopoly.

 

[BOWHOUSE52]

All I can say is people who do this have no concern for anyone else Go to your local fire station and ask them to show you a DVD on what happens to gas bottles when there is accident and fire You will Shit yourself it's so dangerous DO NOT DO IT have some thought for other people not just yourself

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[TrudeandDall]

To put the cat amongst the pigeons, calor bottles are refillable, calor themselves do it. Popcorn time . I have Gaslow by the way.

Indeed Ashy they are refillable : But not by the public, only by Calor - who have competent people, the safe mechanical filling systems and a safe process to do so.
I'm not the calor police, I'm just sick of people trying to justify something that in the some circumstances is dangerous and in all circumstances illigal.
It's people filling calor bottles who have already stopped many LPG sellers from allowing the filling of any bottles, including "safefill" and "gaslow direct fill".

 

[Northernraider]

Possibly true but it certainly doesn’t rest with all the wider public who read these posts and think “I could do that” without having the slightest clue about the dangers. If these people with expertise who are not experts (which is probably a contradiction) just stayed quiet about it and quietly did their own thing none of us would know or be complaining. Sadly some don’t and feel obliged to share their practice with others and then you end up with someone who doesn't know any better setting fire to themselves, their motorhome and part of a Morrisons forecourt. If they could just stop sharing their cleverness with others like me who are less clever and might blow themselves up then the problem should go away.

If no one ever shared a good idea how would anyone else ever know about it

 

[TrudeandDall]

So why in Spain are freestanding gas cookers sold with a compartment to the side of the oven for the cylinder to be housed in?
All the kitchen has to have is a vent to outside.

Which doesn't apply in Portugal

What you need to remember is that in and it is illegal to refill THEIR national cylinders.it is not illegal to refill cylinders from any other country.
Whereas in the UK you cannot fill any cylinders due to the monopoly.

It's not a monopoly in the UK that prevents the filling of calor bottles - it is our safety legislation. Particularly the requirements to have filling cut of at 80%, which the likes of calor or any other non refillable (by the public) bottles do not have.

 

[Pausim]

If no one ever shared a good idea how would anyone else ever know about it

Sharing good ideas is helpful. Sharing dangerous ideas is entirely different.

 

[Northernraider]

I’m with you.

I get fed up of this idiotic, look how clever I am Billy big bo****ks attitude to lpg.

Encouraging people to do this themselves to save a few pence. I’ve been doing it for years no problem. Don’t listen to the Calor police.

I joined this forum to learn about motor-homing. I’ve saved on everything from campsites to tax refunds. It has saved me a fortune with the information I have gained. Gaslow/Gas it provides the biggest ongoing savings. It’s safe and legal.

Filling a Calor bottle is dangerous, against the law and just downright stupid.

Yet some still hit the like button. Maybe Jim could add a stupid and dangerous button. Or even remove posts that encourages the breaking of the law or dangerous acts.
I would prefer it to be self regulated and if you are doing something like that then don’t post it. It’s not useful information and not clever. Although looking at some comments I do wonder what people are thinking.

As I currently work in the lpg industry albeit seasonal. I feel like Basildog at least some responsibility to inform how stupid the filling of non refillable cylinders is.
Also seeing how many people still seem to like and think it’s ok also makes me question how far we take the information given

I hate to be a pedant but all gas cylinders are refillable, there's just some that you fill yourself and some that calor fill. But they aren't disposable they are all refillable.


No one is filling a non refillable gas cylinder.

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[Northernraider]

Not indoors, but in a dedicated and vented external storage locker.

Cheers

Jock.

Not in every van

Vw campers the gas bottle Is inside the van

 

[Northernraider]

No they are in an external locker with a vented floor.

Edit. JockandRita got there first.

Not in all vans

The vw campers gas bottles are inside the van bottom of wardrobe , and I'm certain there are other pvc conversions the same . Gas bottle in cupboard inside back doors . I've seen a few in photos

 

[Northernraider]

The fact that you have to ask just proves the point. There are already posts on this thread that contain the answer.

There's a whole lot of dribble in this thread too. And a whole load of folk stamping their feet.

 

[Pausim]

Not in every van

Vw campers the gas bottle Is inside the van

Probably supposed to be a butane bottle not a propane one. The pressures are very different.

 

[Northernraider]

Indeed Ashy they are refillable : But not by the public, only by Calor - who have competent people, the safe mechanical filling systems and a safe process to do so.
I'm not the calor police, I'm just sick of people trying to justify something that in the some circumstances is dangerous and in all circumstances illigal.
It's people filling calor bottles who have already stopped many LPG sellers from allowing the filling of any bottles, including "safefill" and "gaslow direct fill".

I don't think that's the main reason for stations removing lpg.

It's the lack of lpg powered cars since more electric vehicles are on the road.


Very few lpg powered cars and not enough motorhomes filling up

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[plumbob]

Not in every van

Vw campers the gas bottle Is inside the van

If that is the case I can’t argue but I’m glad I haven’t got VW CAMPER

 

[Northernraider]

Sharing good ideas is helpful. Sharing dangerous ideas is entirely different.

Yeah but what's dangerous to some isn't dangerous to others.

It's like the mobile phone , cb radio argument when driving


Some people are dumb others are more capable.

There are literally loads of things out there that some people just haven't the sense to do that others find incredibly easy.



My point being this thread is now six pages long and it's the Sane folk arguing the toss back n forth trying to convince the other side they are right.


Nothing will change

 

[Northernraider]

If that is the case I can’t argue but I’m glad I haven’t got VW CAMPER

You'll very rarely see an external gas locker on a pvc either


And even if there was I doubt any external locker would prevent an explosion either.

If leaking gas is the concern then surely that's not helped either by the fact the gas is then piped inside the van to the appliances

 

[Pausim]

If that is the case I can’t argue but I’m glad I haven’t got VW CAMPER

I think the initial point was that you must not store propane bottles inside your home. Gas lockers on motorhomes have bottom vents that allow the heavier than air gas to escape, this is not possible at home. Butane has much lower bottle pressures and is treated differently.

 

[Northernraider]

Probably supposed to be a butane bottle not a propane one. The pressures are very different.

Quite possibly but you don't get refillable butane bottles. So wheres all the pvc owners refillable bottles stored?

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[Pausim]

Quite possibly but you don't get refillable butane bottles. So wheres all the pvc owners refillable bottles stored?

The ones with installed refillable systems are usually under slung tanks.

 

[Northernraider]

The ones with installed refillable systems are usually under slung tanks.

Really ? Well not on the ones I've seen

 

[Fragle]

I hate to be a pedant but all gas cylinders are refillable, there's just some that you fill yourself and some that calor fill. But they aren't disposable they are all refillable.


No one is filling a non refillable gas cylinder.

Pathetic reply in the context of the thread.

 

[2x2camper]

Quite possibly but you don't get refillable butane bottles. So wheres all the pvc owners refillable bottles stored?

In sealed to the van but floor vented lockers

 

[Northernraider]

Pathetic reply in the context of the thread.

Some say pathetic others say factual.

I prefer to stick to the facts

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[Northernraider]

In sealed to the van but floor vented lockers

Again not true . The vw California has the gas bottle in the rear wardrobe. No external vent

 

[plumbob]

My last comment is some people are clever and others just think they’re clever it’s a dangerous idea for people to say you can basically ignore gas regulations or driving laws. Eventually it ends up with an explosion or crash and can end up with fatalities.
I just hope people who are trying to learn things on this forum pick the right things and people to listen too.

 

[TheBig1]

 

[2x2camper]

Again not true . The vw California has the gas bottle in the rear wardrobe. No external vent

You asked about refillable

 

[JockandRita]

Not in every van

Vw campers the gas bottle Is inside the van

Not in all vans

The vw campers gas bottles are inside the van bottom of wardrobe , and I'm certain there are other pvc conversions the same . Gas bottle in cupboard inside back doors . I've seen a few in photos

And they are all vented Tam.............as per construction regs for LPG cylinder storage in self contained MHs, whether or not you have observed it for yourself.

Can we not just accept that much of the regulation/legislation, is there for the general good and safety of the public in general, be they suppliers, or end users?

Cheers,

Jock.

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[Northernraider]

You asked about refillable

I did and without naming the people I know at least 2 folk on this forum with factory pvc conversions running refillable bottles and those bottles are inside a cupboard inside the back doors .