P&O Ferries told to stay in port

Jamesh said:
Problem is ABP is probably foreign owned too so no reason to implement standards...
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Think ABP, formed as part of privitisation of the Dock Board back in Thatcher time, has major (no not one of her successors!) Canadian investment \ ownership.
 
Gellyneck said:
Use your bl**dy beak then!:RollEyes::giggle:
You'll be closer to the keyboard to see what your typing!:clap2:
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Can"t see the keyboard. I am a prey bird, especially to Minxes and Kidds, and have to have eyes to detect predators who want to cook me, instead of a raptor with laser like eyes. That is why I typed capitals for "Abu" and not correctly as I was using the beak :RollEyes::wink:
 
Langtoftlad said:
Oh but you will...
So much is transported by lorries that will use P&O

It's like wanting to boycott Chinese manufactured goods - almost impossible
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Quite so. I won't be boycotting P&O as I never use them, living only 20 miles from Newhaven (DFDS) port. 🤞
Short term Inconvenience and disruption to customers is of no concern to the bean counters who make the decisions. They really have no interest in whether they are looking at the figures of a ferry company, tin mine or pizza chain.
We'd be hard-pressed to buy anything if we were to boycott all the companies which have history in implementing similar heartless and anti-social policies. Few customers know (or care) who the parent companies are anyway.

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P&O paying ‘handcuff-trained’ personnel £14.50 an hour to deal with sacked seafarers​

Email to private security firm indicates shipowner anticipated potential problems with immediate redundancies
17 March 2022 15:31 GMT UPDATED 17 March 2022 15:31 GMT
By Gary Dixon in London

An email sent to staff at a private security firm shows how P&O Ferries anticipated trouble following its decision to immediately make 800 UK seafarers redundant on its ships.
The message, seen by the Daily Telegraph, reveals the move was prepared at least a number of days in advance, but no notice was given to staff.
https://www.tradewindsnews.com/news/2-1-1186560
The unnamed security firm was asked to send 16 handcuff-trained officers to the Port of Dover in England in case of a “backlash” among crews.
Union members on P&O Ferries have reportedly refused to leave their ships after the ferries were ordered into port on Thursday so that cheaper agency workers could be sent on board instead.
The email, whose sender is not specified in the Telegraph report, states the security officers will be paid £14.50 ($19) per hour for their work.
“You have been selected to deploy on a task in Dover that will be fairly high profile. This task will run for one week,” the email reads. “As of the 17th you will be dispatched by coach to Dover docks to assist the client in their delivery.”

The officers are told information is limited about the nature of the work because of a non-disclosure agreement.
But the personnel were needed to supplement P&O Ferries’ own security teams in the “unlikely” event some of the crew members become “challenging”.
“Essentially, our client will be informing staff of redundancies and there is a possible risk of backlash,” the email continued.
Staff are told to bring their uniforms, including cuffs and a utility belt. But body armour would not be needed, they were advised.

'Shameful act'​

The message also reveals the security officers were told to travel to a hotel in the area by Tuesday, for training on Wednesday.
RMT union general secretary Mick Lynch said he was receiving reports that the security teams were seeking to board ships at Dover.
“We are seeking urgent legal action and are again calling for the government to take action to stop what is fast turning into one of the most shameful acts in the history of British industrial relations,” he added.
“If this happens at P&O it can happen anywhere and we are calling for mass trade union and wider public mobilisation and protest against the company.”
 
Wonder if they offered or were allowed to offer the workers lower wages/conditions. Seems to me they either make the changes or the parent company pulls the finances and the whole business ends.

Businesses operate like survival of the fittest I'm afraid.. It's capitalism 🤔
 
Brains
Reports circulating up here that security personnel have boarded one of the vessels in Larne.
 
As a seafarer myself working in the ferry sector in Scotland I have to say I really feel for the 800 crew & their families, who completely out of the blue, now face a very worrying time.

The unfolding level of deceit demonstrated sofar today by P&O is quite staggering, and clearly more details emerging by the hour.
Nautilus & RMT (Unions for Officers & Ratings) knew nothing of it, UK transport minister saying they knew nothing of it. Major transport supplier to & from the UK can halt all of their services with no notice and then drop this bombshell. They had foreign Relief Agency crews & private security firms in buses in terminal car parks.

All of this planned under the radar, wow!

You wonder had they been able to turn the organisational skills they have demonstrated today into their everyday management then perhaps they might not be in the mess they claim to be in
 
MichaelT said:
if it is linked to Brexit like someone said above this will exclude those who voted to leave as they can reap the benefits if they wish:censored:
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You didn’t need to say that did you? Unless of course you are wanting to cause trouble and visit Coventry🤔

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DuxDeluxe said:
I worked there for long enough, but thanks for the correction .......... Our Sponsor in Abu Dhabi answered a question on the border from Abu Dhabi to Dubai and he said "Where the oil stops" Dubai has only about 5% of AbuDhabi reserves, the output of it peaked in 1991 and has been declining ever since, despite some interventional well management. Dubai is first and foremost a huge trading hub, which is what they are very good at
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Just as a matter of interest i lived and worked there for 35/40 years from 1979. Some years in Abu Dhabi mostly in Dubai. Spent a lot of my early years there on the DPC oil platforms in the gulf. And the Abu Dhabi fields including Das Island.
Agree AD have far grater reserves than Dubai but even very recently Dubai found more oil and lots of gas.
Obviously if we were ever to meet up we would have something in common to chin wag about.
Son is 41 born there in Rashid hospital and is still there running a nice business. The main reason we go for months each year now we have retired.
 
I wonder if we'll see any crew scuttling the ships, i hope no one gets hurt.
 
bobnick said:
Just as a matter of interest i lived and worked there for 35/40 years from 1979. Some years in Abu Dhabi mostly in Dubai. Spent a lot of my early years there on the DPC oil platforms in the gulf. And the Abu Dhabi fields including Das Island.
Agree AD have far grater reserves than Dubai but even very recently Dubai found more oil and lots of gas.
Obviously if we were ever to meet up we would have something in common to chin wag about.
Son is 41 born there in Rashid hospital and is still there running a nice business. The main reason we go for months each year now we have retired.
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I was shipping based doing marine surveys and inspections for 12 years. Worked all over the place - the last 3 years I was running the Mid East operation through the whole peninsula but had to get out. Got given a cushy job in Geneva head office when I left

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sylvester1954 said:
EU employment law would have protected these P&O staff... just saying...:unsure:
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They are all RMT members (crew) and under UK Union work contracts. Think it is a bit like London underground……….:wink:
 
Is it illegal to handcuff anybody in the uk. Police only not pvt security they are just a member of the public. 🤪😳😱
 
I see the sacked staff are blocking the roads not allowing any vehicles to the port.

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bobnick said:
I see the sacked staff are blocking the roads not allowing any vehicles to the port.
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All pointless but can understand em trying, does no good though.
best they can do now is try and find work
 
Can’t the government suspended any licenses they hold. Stopping the boats from doing anything. ?
 
fat haggis said:
Can’t the government suspended any licenses they hold. Stopping the boats from doing anything. ?
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why, that would just cause other jobs to be lost.

They are supposed to follow collective consultation with staff, if your company has more than 30 employees, and UK based ? was this not done? or not uk based?
 
Richard n Ann said:
Wonder if they offered or were allowed to offer the workers lower wages/conditions. Seems to me they either make the changes or the parent company pulls the finances and the whole business ends.

Businesses operate like survival of the fittest I'm afraid.. It's capitalism 🤔
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Yes, they have been invited to take the package on offer which is in excess of Union agreed terms, and also to apply for the new jobs.

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Looks like the tunnel is gonna get booked up
 
You can go on about this as much as you like but the fact remains if p&o were losing that much every year it would only be a matter of time before they folded then there would be no jobs for anyone.
 
Brains said:
It is now.

When it was EU to EU port calls never leaving EU waters they needed EU staff paid at EU rates.

Now the UK is 'offshore' P&O can employ staff from anywhere in the world paid at local rates and rules for that country.

Why pay a UK seaman £15 ph and he only works a 40 hr week
when you can employ a person from a 2nd world country for £2 ph and he works a 80 hr week ?

This a genuine Brexit Benefit (If you own a ferry, and not one of the staff)
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Is there a standard EU rate for seamen or any ofher labour in the EU then? Whats a grecian (seaman) urn ompared to a British seaman? Why have companies moved production to Poland or Romania if there is a.standard EU labour rate ?Companies were doing this kind of cost cutting at the expense.of UK workers while we were in the EU., sometimes as with the case of Ford Transit production with EU financial assistance. Capital is gonna "Capital in the EU.or not.

es the same?
 
MichaelT said:
Read the whole thread and try and keep up plesae, I was re-quoting another poster.:mad:
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For your information I have read the thread and you did not quote or re-quote anyone in your post? See below

If it is true then I hope everyone avoids them whatever they charge (assuming they will cut prices) and support UK jobs, of course if it is linked to Brexit like someone said above this will exclude those who voted to leave as they can reap the benefits if they wish:censored:

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