Number of days allowed to stay in Eurozone countries

[tacr2man]

The carnet system operates in most countries of the world , at a price, as different countries have different tarifs , and therefore higher cost /risk to Carnet issuer . I dont recollect needing one for European countries prior to EU , not that that has any bearing on what EU will want after end of transition .

 

[Brains]

You only have to read up on the distressing situation of many EU citizens who have made UK their homes to realise that the going has been made extremely tough for them.

& in many cases totally illegally.


The original directive also stated that after 90 consecutive days you automatically became a resident of that state,whether you registered or not, under EU rules. & which take precedent over national laws unless national laws offer better rights to the citizen.

 

[nicholsong]

& in many cases totally illegally.


The original directive also stated that after 90 consecutive days you automatically became a resident of that state,whether you registered or not, under EU rules. & which take precedent over national laws unless national laws offer better rights to the citizen.

Well Poland does not seem to have heard of i and they refuse to accept an application until after 31.12.2000.

 

[Jonny1953]

I think you mean the will, in 2016, of 37% of the electorate or 52% of those who voted. Hate to be pedantic but not really the population of the UK.

Look at it another way and only about 33% of the electorate voted to remain

 

[DIY campervan]

My understanding is that currently I/WE can stay within the Eurozone individual countries for up to 6 months in any Calendar year.
As a result I have been driving to and from Spain in my Estate Car twice each year.
I always take the Euro-tunnel Shuttle route and take 2 days to drive through France before entering Spain. I can then stay in Spain for say,3 months, before returning home to UK. I do this for April, May and June, then for September, October and November, each year.
I imagine that many Motorhomers do something similar.

From January 2021, I understand that MY/OUR stay in the Eurozone will be restricted to 90 days in any period of 180 days. A significant reduction, but entirely consistent with those Countries currently outside of the Eurozone.

Currently Eurozone Nationals can stay within UK for as long as we can stay within their Countries.Can the UK Government be lobbied/ pursuaded/ encouraged to strike a Deal with the Eurozone permitting their Nationals to remain within UK as now, so long as we remain within their Countries, as now i.e. maintain the status quo ?
And who will speak for the Motorhomers on this and any similar matters ?

Well the up side is, your villa is on wheels!!

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[Julie P]

Ok am I getting it right that we will be able to go for 90 days but then on return to the U.K. we would have to wait 180 days before we can go again for 90 days? I am confused.

 

[DBK]

Ok am I getting it right that we will be able to go for 90 days but then on return to the U.K. we would have to wait 180 days before we can go again for 90 days? I am confused.

You only have to come back for 90 days. In round numbers you could travel March, April and May then return to the UK for June, July and August before setting off again in September.

Alternatively you could go for a week then return for a week and repeat ad infinitum. This works with any time period up to a maximum of 90 days,. For example go for 30 days, return for 30 then repeat.

 

[wilsonofthewizard]

You might find this useful to help work out how long you can stay in Europe when you are a frequent visitor

Schengen Calculator - Easily Track Your Schengen Stay Compliance

Quickly check how long you can stay in the Schengen Area with our free and accurate Schengen Visa Calculator. Stay compliant with visa rules—plan your trip today!

www.schengenvisainfo.com

Very helpful.Many thanks.

 

[wilsonofthewizard]

You only have to come back for 90 days. In round numbers you could travel March, April and May then return to the UK for June, July and August before setting off again in September.

Alternatively you could go for a week then return for a week and repeat ad infinitum. This works with any time period up to a maximum of 90 days,. For example go for 30 days, return for 30 then repeat.

I agree with Julie rather than DBK. Can DBK explain please ?

 

[9526]

I agree with Julie rather than DBK. Can DBK explain please ?

Its 90 days in any 180.


So, if you go for 90 then return for 90, then go back you won’t exceed the 90/180 (as you add a day, one comes off the previous visit)

Morocco now looks a good bet for the winter, as a cpl of months there won’t count to your EU total.

We’re planning something like this ....... (If the 90/180 is enforced)

Oct, Nov, Dec (EU)
Jan, Feb (Maroc)
March (UK)
Apr, May, Jun (EU)
July, Aug, Sep (UK)

Obviously the travel days through EU to get to Maroc, will need to be deducted from allowance.

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[Vipar]

Greetings DIYcampervan welcome from West Kent

 

[Nasher]

So, if I am in the Schengen area for 90 days - but spend 2 hours a day for 5 days a week paragliding and therefore for that time I would be in the air and not in any country, does that mean I can stay an extra 5 days?

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Up Up and away, (with the fairies)

 

[DBK]

I agree with Julie rather than DBK. Can DBK explain please ?

It's in the Schengen calculator link quoted above:

"The 180-day period keeps rolling. Therefore, anytime you wish to enter the Schengen, you just have to count backwards the last 180 days, and see if you have been present in the Schengen for more than 90 days throughout that period."

If you've reached the 90 day limit in the last 180 days you can't re-enter. For example, and assuming all the months have 30 days for simplicity, if you were in Schengen April, May and June then that's your 90 days used up. You can't return during July, August or September but once October arrives you can visit because the days you were there from April onwards then start to drop off at the begining of the rolling 180 day window.

 

[Brains]

So, if I am in the Schengen area for 90 days - but spend 2 hours a day for 5 days a week paragliding and therefore for that time I would be in the air and not in any country, does that mean I can stay an extra 5 days?

Indeed, as long as you over the 100km ceiling and more than 12 miles offshore.
You also have land in a different country than the one you took off from

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[PeteH]

Thanks Ian.Of which people do you speak?

Those who bothered to vote, of course. Those who didn`t dont have a leg to stand on!

 

[Funnymunny]

I think you mean the will, in 2016, of 37% of the electorate or 52% of those who voted. Hate to be pedantic but not really the population of the UK.

I think you will find that 72.2% of the electorate voted in the referendum, which is quite high for a UK vote

 

[maison]

Those who bothered to vote, of course. Those who didn`t dont have a leg to stand on!

Surely the debate is over. (fishing expedition or not).

Genuine information on the future is important to many of us.

The 90/180 day rule means that we are looking at selling our base in France as 12 months expenses for 6 months use doesn’t make sense. Touring in the motorhome the 90/180 rule is fine.

We hope to travel to France in August this year for two months then will probably return mid November for a few weeks as days this year will not count towards the 90/180 for 2021.

 

[Coolcats]

So, if I am in the Schengen area for 90 days - but spend 2 hours a day for 5 days a week paragliding and therefore for that time I would be in the air and not in any country, does that mean I can stay an extra 5 days?

Nope because you would be in Schengen airspace

 

[gus-lopez]

I think you will find that 72.2% of the electorate voted in the referendum, which is quite high for a UK vote

I think you won't .It was 62% & 20,564119 were too idle.

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[Colintheolder]

Brexit has nothing to do with the Schengen area or system. It's always been there, just not acted upon.

 

[9526]

Brexit has nothing to do with the Schengen area or system. It's always been there, just not acted upon.

So you‘re suggesting that before Brexit, we were limited to 90/180 in Schengen ?

Think you’re confused with staying in 1 country and not registering as resident.

 

[Funnymunny]

I think you won't .It was 62% & 20,564119 were too idle.

You are wrong, 46,500,001 people voted which was 72.21% of the registered voters. Google it or look it up on wilkopedia

 

[bigtwin]

We hope to travel to France in August this year for two months then will probably return mid November for a few weeks as days this year will not count towards the 90/180 for 2021.

Isn’t that just an assumption?

Application of the 90 in 180 day restriction requires a review of the previous 180 days in order to understand if you have any of your permitted 90 days remaining to allow entry into the Schengen area ‘tomorrow’.

You appear to be saying that on 1st Jan 2021 (or in fact for the first 90 days of 2021) there is no need to look back to see how many days have already been spent in the Schengen area.

Has there been an official statement released suggesting that this is the case?

Ian

 

[maison]

Isn’t that just an assumption?

Application of the 90 in 180 day restriction requires a review of the previous 180 days in order to understand if you have any of your permitted 90 days remaining to allow entry into the Schengen area ‘tomorrow’.

You appear to be saying that on 1st Jan 2021 (or in fact for the first 90 days of 2021) there is no need to look back to see how many days have already been spent in the Schengen area.

Has there been an official statement released suggesting that this is the case?

Ian

No, there is no official statement either way.

I am basing my assumption purely on the fact that the 90/180 rule has not been enforced up to now so, hopefully, will not be calculated retrospectively. Enforcement retrospectively would be a massive problem for the EU logistically. I doubt they have the technical infrastructure in place at present at it has not been needed up to now. However, It is an assumption/hope, not a fact.

A lot will depend on how the EU views any deal that may be made with the U.K. If they are happy with the final outcome they may be more accommodating than if they are unhappy.

Even if the 90/180 is back calculated, we will not be returning to France next year until April so we can arrange travel dates around the rules. It still means we will sell-up though for the financial reasons outlined previously.

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[Scotch mist]

It’s usually business & money that force politicians to make decisions , I think many European countries (Especially Spain) depend upon our tourist money to prosper, I think they will make a system for us to stay longer to make sure they get our money

 

[Rapido925M]

A SUGGESTION:

All those who believe that this will be treated with a Gallic shrug or that they need our tourist income could club together and "sponsor" a guinea-pig: someone with a "cheap" MH (under £20k?) who is prepared to travel to Calais on 2nd Jan and attempt to leave for Dover on 5th April. This will be over 90 days and no confusion about whether pre-Jan 1st is counted.

Sponsor this person such that, worst-case scenario, if the MH is seized and crushed, a €5000 fine imposed, alternative return-home transport required then amongst you the financial charges will be covered eg £26k shared amongst 26 believers will only be £1000 each. The sponsors could travel to Schengen after 10th Jan and would therefore know on 5th April that they need to leave before 8th April, thus saving themselves loss of van, fine etc.

Best-case scenario: it doesn't cost you a penny.
Somewhere in between: it costs you less than £1k and you know what the ramifications are likely to be.
You can adapt your travel arrangements appropriately.

Gordon

 

[maison]

A SUGGESTION:

All those who believe that this will be treated with a Gallic shrug or that they need our tourist income could club together and "sponsor" a guinea-pig: someone with a "cheap" MH (under £20k?) who is prepared to travel to Calais on 2nd Jan and attempt to leave for Dover on 5th April. This will be over 90 days and no confusion about whether pre-Jan 1st is counted.

Sponsor this person such that, worst-case scenario, if the MH is seized and crushed, a €5000 fine imposed, alternative return-home transport required then amongst you the financial charges will be covered eg £26k shared amongst 26 believers will only be £1000 each. The sponsors could travel to Schengen after 10th Jan and would therefore know on 5th April that they need to leave before 8th April, thus saving themselves loss of van, fine etc.

Best-case scenario: it doesn't cost you a penny.
Somewhere in between: it costs you less than £1k and you know what the ramifications are likely to be.
You can adapt your travel arrangements appropriately.

Gordon

Are you volunteering?

 

[wanderer]

A SUGGESTION:

All those who believe that this will be treated with a Gallic shrug or that they need our tourist income could club together and "sponsor" a guinea-pig: someone with a "cheap" MH (under £20k?) who is prepared to travel to Calais on 2nd Jan and attempt to leave for Dover on 5th April. This will be over 90 days and no confusion about whether pre-Jan 1st is counted.

Sponsor this person such that, worst-case scenario, if the MH is seized and crushed, a €5000 fine imposed, alternative return-home transport required then amongst you the financial charges will be covered eg £26k shared amongst 26 believers will only be £1000 each. The sponsors could travel to Schengen after 10th Jan and would therefore know on 5th April that they need to leave before 8th April, thus saving themselves loss of van, fine etc.

Best-case scenario: it doesn't cost you a penny.
Somewhere in between: it costs you less than £1k and you know what the ramifications are likely to be.
You can adapt your travel arrangements appropriately.

Gordon

I think the likely penalty will be a fine and three year exclusion order from the Schengen area

 

[Rapido925M]

I think the likely penalty will be a fine and three year exclusion order from the Schengen area

This way only the guinea-pig gets banned: surely someone who believes that it isn't going to happen would be willing to "take one for the team"?

NO, it will not be me because I believe that it will happen!

Gordon

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