Not looking good for diesels in Germany

[Ivory55]

Lorries are needed to deliver to the railheads, but long distance in gauge loads should be on rails. Large tonnages of stone and other raw materials are carried by rail.

Like all the work going on at at marham doing the runway etc. Tons and tons of stone etc delivered by road to it. No rail any where near it.

 

[PhilG]

Moving freight to rail is ok but successive governments have encouraged building where there is not any rail network so roads are the only option.

And now buy us they want to build a huge rail freight terminal , for this reason, without realising that everything that arrives by train all has to leave by road, its already chaos at both ends of the M69 every day , this is only going to make it worse.

Its all a scam... tax this so you buy that, then tax that till you buy the thing you already had.

Repeat.

 

[ymfb]

So, do we do nothing ! surely we evolve, try things and move forwards, if we hadn’t in the past we would all be peasants living in hovels and blissfully ignorant complaining about the local hierarchy taxing turnips.

 

[Ivory55]

So, do we do nothing ! surely we evolve, try things and move forwards, if we hadn’t in the past we would all be peasants living in hovels and blissfully ignorant complaining about the local hierarchy taxing turnips.

Personally I think we move to much around for the sake of it . I know some say that this efficient etc , but that’s me.

 

[mitzimad]

Of course you're right ...
I think what gets people's backs up is the casual way past generations are blamed for pollution. But in fact more waste can be generated by a family today.

as kids mum washed the floor and dishes with rags nothing came prepacked other than old newspaper we wiped our noses on washable hankies babies nappies were boiled and reused

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[robnchris]

So, do we do nothing ! surely we evolve, try things and move forwards, if we hadn’t in the past we would all be peasants living in hovels and blissfully ignorant complaining about the local hierarchy taxing turnips.

Of course we have to do something but an action has to have some direction and substance to it.
Anyone can stand up and say ban that and feel well we've done something but in fact they haven't done anything.
If you are going to ban the internal combustion engine surely the first action is to find something to replacement it with.

 

[bigtree]

It will never happen ,or if it does the people will rise up, both for & against uniting, like they did with the 'no smoking ' on stations ban that resulted in them having to introduce smoking areas the next day to get people back working.


Because most have no common sense, are as thick as s***, shouldn't even really be allowed out & are led by the nose by those who can walk & talk into what there agenda requires.

You answered your own paragraph from above

"man is the only creature that eats when not hungry, drinks when he has no thirst,
speaks when he has nothing to say"


In Spain the law already passed bans all sales of new petrol & diesels from 2030 ,
all existing use of petrol & diesel from 2040 ,
everything including hybrids from 2050,
leaving the only legal method of transport being electric.
This from a country that decimated the solar power industry when they arbitrarily & illegally revoked all existing feed in tariffs & required registration & payment of tax for any solar installation with the minimum fine for failure being 6million euros.
As you can see politicians of all countries are made from the same scum pit & should be treated as such .


Which are only any use if you drive them like you are on the Mobil economy run. Otherwise they are just a means of side stepping the legislation.



Exactly.If you wish to ban something then you do it. Any means of payment to provide it whether the buying /selling of carbon credits, payment to enter emission zones, congestion zones, etc; is merely then a means of generating income.


Unfortunately not. They were dirty at the outset but supposedly better , now they are so clean you can sit in a room breathing in the exhaust fumes. They have just become the need to be banned to move people on to the next money making scam.


So why are there grants for' industrial' wood burning schemes?
Why were wood burners & the manufacture of them no outlawed with the 'clean air act?'

Which I said should have happened at the outset with the Montreal protocol back in the '90's .No, it was easier to offload the old technology & allow the use of the now illegal ozone depleting refrigerants by the 'developing ' countries, so allowing the western world to be scammed by having to pay to develop ,change, introduce & use all new refrigerants whilst allowing the removed & disposed of at great cost & price ,to be then sold on to the 'developing countries' ?
Everything is a scam when introduced by politicians as they are led, in most cases, by those with an agenda.

Got to say I like how you can multi quote and comment Gus,don't personally know how to do it myself.

 

[nicholsong]

It is a pity somebody did not invent a meter which could monitor a vehicle's emissions on an annual basis, and geographical location, because then we could have targeted them before politicians started using blanket bans using sledgehammers to crack walnuts and missing the rocks.

Returning to the OP's reference to possible German bans; the article refers to cars, so it would be useful to know how they would define 'cars'. If it is M1 vehicles then most MHs are included as they are M1, albeit (SP) Special Purpose. We need to watch this carefully.

I also note that Essen is mentioned. At the moment the E40 route through Essen is excluded from their emissions zone, but for how long?

Geoff

 

[Janiemou]

We've all got to become more responsible and these things will affect us all, whether we accept them or not. I think the 5p plastic bag is a commercial scam - supermarkets must by hundreds of bags for 5p and they have been allowed to turn fear into a commercial advantage. In Germany, Austria & the US, that I know of, reusable produce bags are available everywhere and they must be a better alternative:

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Landfill is becoming a huge issue for all of us, particularly where there are large numbers of seasonal tourists.

 

[Ivory55]

It’s the we part that never seems to happen. Like the big celebrity flying around the world telling us we should be riding our bikes or penalise the less well off for using older cars whilst not providing a viable alternative.

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[olley]

Perhaps I had better keep my V8 8 litre petrol RV. Looks like the price could go up.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Oil is at $50.70 a barrel and we are paying around £1.30 a litre,the last time it was at this level we were paying just over £1 a litre. When will we don the the Yellow vests or do we link yellow with Cowards and do nothing ?

Agreed. We should all show solidarity and put on Yellow Vests. Seriously. This is soon going to be our next battleground. Declining purchasing power and living standards thanks to globalism, and governments that don't listen.

Don't assume for one nanosecond that the UK Government won't keep pushing up the pump price by stealth until a tank of diesel becomes unaffordable for many more motorists on low and maybe even average incomes. Private car leasing as a means of ownership on credit will reach saturation point. The signs are already there, with new car sales falling. The market for new electric cars is likely to follow similar lines, so effectively that will be rationed by the availability and cost of credit. Marginal motorists, especially in rural areas and poor urban areas, will be forced out of private cars. As older petrol and diesel cars become restricted by LEZs and ULEZs and the cost of filling up becomes astronomic they won't be able to afford to run old bangers like they do today. Same goes for older MHs.

Fuel price escalation for "greenwash" reasons is looking more like another example of social engineering. Climate change and the unproven health risks seem to be an excuse for getting rid of diesel and petrol. The hidden goal is to make the majority of us plebs become totally dependent on public transport. There are echoes here of medieval feudalism, when a villein could not leave his village without permission by the Lord of the Manor. If you can't travel very far for financial reasons, then you become much easier to control. Your choices are narrowed. You lose independence and influence. If they censor the internet, abolish cash, and force the next generation to have at least £50k of student debt and stop them getting on the housing ladder ... the population can be subject to a higher degree of control by centralised digital means. You rely on a digital identity for everything you need. If rights linked to your digital identity can be suspended or terminated by Government you are in deep trouble. I foresee new laws that allow a sort of digital "Coventry" to be imposed on troublemakers who won't conform. After cash has ceased to be a means of exchange for food and shelter, effectively you can no longer be a rebel.

What's not to like ... if you are an authoritarian Government?

The trend seems to be towards a somewhat distopian future. Orwellian, even. Enjoy freedom of travel in our MHs while we still can.

I know, someone will see this as mere conspiracy theory. I'm an analogue bloke pushing back against digital everything. Because freedom is important. As is the wider picture. Allez, les Gilets Jaunes! Avanti Popolo!

 

[Wildbill]

About 25 years ago we were all conned into buying diesel cars etc because they were less polluting than petrol engines and diesel was much cheaper than petrol,
Now that more people have diesels than petrol engined vehicles, it is about 10p per litre more expensive.
we are now being encouraged to go electric, without any energy infrastructure and are penalised for using our previously cleaner diesels, all a spin / con, call it what you will.
In about 20 years these electric vehicles will be causing isues with disposal etc, and causing yet more pollution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also where is all of this carbon free / green electricity going to come from and at what cost, in carbon footprint, is it going to cost to produce the generating equipment.
If diesel is so bad for our cities why are all black cabs still diesel and why are there so many old ones still allowed on the roads.
This is just my view on the current round of hype.
Joe

Ther cutting Down the rain forist to meke wood pelits to burn at Drax
By the time the wood has bean turnd in to pellets it as a higher carbon foot print than the coal and oil combined
Bill

 

[barsteward]

if we hadn’t in the past we would all be peasants living in hovels and blissfully ignorant complaining about the local hierarchy taxing turnips.

And do you honestly think that in our blissful ignorance we would have been any less happy than we are now?

 

[Lenny HB]

Got to say I like how you can multi quote and comment Gus,don't personally know how to do it myself.

Two ways to do it, highlight the text you want to quote and a couple of tabs appear below the text click on your choice of "multi quote" or "quote".
Or you can use html code, at the start of the text type QUOTE within square brackets and at the end /QUOTE within square brackets.

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[barsteward]

as kids mum washed the floor and dishes with rags nothing came prepacked other than old newspaper we wiped our noses on washable hankies babies nappies were boiled and reused

The list is endless, if your old enough to remember, recycle clothes (rag and bone man), recycle pop bottles, recycle milk bottles which we filled locally from the local area, now we ship milk hundreds of miles, we have to go to a processing plant 30 miles away to get employment we then process the milk and put it in plastic containers where we stand in the very same traffic jam as the delivery waggon who is delivering to the very same supermarket we are going to to buy the very same milk from.

Progress???? I'm not so sure

 

[ymfb]

And do you honestly think that in our blissful ignorance we would have been any less happy than we are now?

Of course not, blissful ignorance is exactly that

 

[Ivory55]

The list is endless, if your old enough to remember, recycle clothes (rag and bone man), recycle pop bottles, recycle milk bottles which we filled locally from the local area, now we ship milk hundreds of miles, we have to go to a processing plant 30 miles away to get employment we then process the milk and put it in plastic containers where we stand in the very same traffic jam as the delivery waggon who is delivering to the very same supermarket we are going to to buy the very same milk from.

Progress???? I'm not so sure

It’s a shame someone can not invent a small efficient dairy that could be bolted on to a farm . As milk is bulky and heavy to move about if farms were close to the supermarket it would save moving the milk around for huge distances.

 

[joka250]

Ther cutting Down the rain forist to meke wood pelits to burn at Drax
By the time the wood has bean turnd in to pellets it as a higher carbon foot print than the coal and oil combined
Bill

Not according to the so called over paid experts. But what do i know.

 

[Norfolk Nomad]

I think the blame for this has to be laid squarely at the car manufactures, they were the one’s that started fitting family and small cars with diesel engines in an effort to boost sales.

If the diesel engine had been kept purely for commercial vehicles, we would not be in this position now.

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[Just smiffy]

What are these cities going to do when their inhabitants are starving to death because nothing can deliver the food...

 

[Speve]

It’s a shame someone can not invent a small efficient dairy that could be bolted on to a farm . As milk is bulky and heavy to move about if farms were close to the supermarket it would save moving the milk around for huge distances.

It’s a shame that lots of local farmers in our area used to bottle their own milk and cream and eggs etc then deliver it locally themselves, unfortunately they could not compete with supermarket prices and were driven out of business.
Milk was produced and delivered efficiently back in 50s 60s & part of 70s.

 

[CazPaul]

It’s a shame that lots of local farmers in our area used to bottle their own milk and cream and eggs etc then deliver it locally themselves, unfortunately they could not compete with supermarket prices and were driven out of business.
Milk was produced and delivered efficiently back in 50s 60s & part of 70s.

Wasn't some of those milk floats electric too?

 

[Ivory55]

It’s a shame that lots of local farmers in our area used to bottle their own milk and cream and eggs etc then deliver it locally themselves, unfortunately they could not compete with supermarket prices and were driven out of business.
Milk was produced and delivered efficiently back in 50s 60s & part of 70s.

It’s like a lot of things it’s big is best. I guess it’s the cost of investment for a modern small dairy that would put a stop to local bottling etc.

 

[PeteH]

Recycling is not a "new" science, we all did it back in the 40`s and 50`s. My parents used the newspaper in the loo, Put the peelings on a Compost heap, and grew veg in season. We kept chickens too. all in a Council House rear Garden. We bred and ate Rabbit. Along with the occasional Duck or even Goose. Old rags made Mats woven into old sacks. Make do and mend was a hangover from the war.

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[gus-lopez]

Got to say I like how you can multi quote and comment Gus,don't personally know how to do it myself.

As @Lenny HB said or just click on each " multi-quote " below & bottom right of every post you wish to reply to. Clicking on "quote" places it straight in to the reply box for answering when you only wish to do the one.

 

[tonyidle]

Of course we have to do something but an action has to have some direction and substance to it.
Anyone can stand up and say ban that and feel well we've done something but in fact they haven't done anything.
If you are going to ban the internal combustion engine surely the first action is to find something to replacement it with.

The only way to force change is to produce an end date for the ICE. What else would force industry to make any change?

 

[The Wino]

Lots of views mainly still from the I'm all right Jack because I won't be around for it to bother me brigade and lets have cheap diesel and sod the future and mostly backward looking........sad really.

 

[Nicepix]

I think the blame for this has to be laid squarely at the car manufactures, they were the one’s that started fitting family and small cars with diesel engines in an effort to boost sales.

If the diesel engine had been kept purely for commercial vehicles, we would not be in this position now.

Car manufacturers respond to market trends. They offered small diesels along with small petrol cars and people opted for the diesels. The manufacturers didn't force the customers to buy diesels.

The blame lies with the governments. They are the ones who promoted diesel over petrol with tax advantages.

 

[Ivory55]

Car manufacturers respond to market trends. They offered small diesels along with small petrol cars and people opted for the diesels. The manufacturers didn't force the customers to buy diesels.

The blame lies with the governments. They are the ones who promoted diesel over petrol with tax advantages.

True but how many MPs have directorship of certain companies etc who have vested interests or their families etc in what products are pushed. Money is the be all and end all.

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