Mercedes vario 814 self build bus to FLT palace

vwRob said:
Rust :unsure:
Having been in the body repair business for over 40 years, rust was one thing you did not want to recur.
The first coat of paint is the most crucial. A 2 part etching primer was always used, sprayed or brushed, after a chemical wash of Jenolite or similar. An alternative would be a zinc rich paint such as by Bilt Hamber followed by chassis black paint for a heavy wear area. Red Oxide is not what it used to be ie Red Lead. A 1 gallon tin was an arm wrestler!

Bilt Hamber also do top quality rust proofing products (I have no connection, just a satisfied customer).

While on the rust theme, a small drill bit in a drill operated at 45 degrees can remove pitted rust. Might take a while but it works well.

Good luck with the rebuild.
Rob
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Its just a pity the manufacturers dont do any of that when they build them .

I think the only way id eradicate all rust on this is to have it completely stripped and either sandblasted or acid dipped ...neither of which i can afford so just have to do what i can with it. All new metal i put in will be acid etched first ...thats what i used on the gutters too when i cleaned them up a bit ...but for all the framework under the floor etc im just going to do the best i can with it ....its all solid enough so a few coats of red oxide and a few coats of hammerite over the top with a final coat of shutz stone guard should see it good for a while anyway.

Id love to be in a position where i could have the body removed and dipped etc but cant do it.

That said mine is good where a lot of other ones are bad ....a guy i follow on Instagram just discovered his is completely rotten under the windscreen etc and is going to be ridiculously expensive to repair ... mine fortunately is perfect in that area.
 
vwRob said:
Rust :unsure:
Having been in the body repair business for over 40 years, rust was one thing you did not want to recur.
The first coat of paint is the most crucial. A 2 part etching primer was always used, sprayed or brushed, after a chemical wash of Jenolite or similar. An alternative would be a zinc rich paint such as by Bilt Hamber followed by chassis black paint for a heavy wear area. Red Oxide is not what it used to be ie Red Lead. A 1 gallon tin was an arm wrestler!

Bilt Hamber also do top quality rust proofing products (I have no connection, just a satisfied customer).

While on the rust theme, a small drill bit in a drill operated at 45 degrees can remove pitted rust. Might take a while but it works well.

Good luck with the rebuild.
Rob
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That's a great first post after 9 years of membership (y)
 
Ditcha said:
Tam have you a compressor?
If so you can buy cheap on eBay etc small sandblasters, just use kiln dried sand cheap from DIY outlets and does a surprisingly good job at removing rust back to metal
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I haven't yet but i have been looking out for a second hand one mainly for spraying some areas and for blowing out dust and debris ....if i find one in time then yes ill probably look in to a wee sandblaster for the hard to reach bits.

The paint on rust encapsulator i have is supposed to cure and treat any leftover rust too but really the worst stuff is all being cut out and replaced .... just keep finding more bits at the front at the moment ....under the wheelarch in front of the old bus step is a right mess ....been covered under layers of underseal
 
Coming on nicely now.

Is it better after the rust has been sorted out to just use spray grease or something similar instead of stone guard etc then you can see clearly how it’s performing and it will last longer?

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It's the big sale at Thainstone Mart next week. It's up my way but all still online due to covid. Loads of different stuff for sale and usually see shot and sand blasters. Could be worth having a look, I think most of the stuff is available to view online now.

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Wissel said:
That's a great first post after 9 years of membership (y)
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Perhaps he was waiting for a subject he was knowledgeable on...unlike the rest of us!

On another forum a chap had a stroke and had been hospitalised for months but then posted....what's your chainline exactly ..... He an expert in all he posts with great humility and greatly missed. Made my day to "see" him online.

Cheers James
 
Jamesh said:
Perhaps he was waiting for a subject he was knowledgeable on...unlike the rest of us!

On another forum a chap had a stroke and had been hospitalised for months but then posted....what's your chainline exactly ..... He an expert in all he posts with great humility and greatly missed. Made my day to "see" him online.

Cheers James
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I hope my comment didn't come across as sarcastic? Honestly thought it was a really good first post (y)

Wanting to learn more about metal and bodywork as these are skills I may need soon (next build). Learning loads from this thread.
 
glenn2926 said:
I did get questioned on whether I had built a camper a few days ago. However the questioner wasn’t worth answering.
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It was me that asked as you know following your demeaning comments - I had just assume you had forgotten about it and thus not replied however it's informative to know that you had actually actively decided I wasn't worth replying to instead - it's a good job I don't have that sort of attitude otherwise I wouldn't have replied to your question on another thread about how filling your refillable gas system worked. Be assure that I will think twice about responding to your help requests in the future as I'd hate to make you feel 'bad' about not bothering to respond to me.

Apologies Tam for this - I am still more than willing to a scale plan of your design as/when you are ready - did you get any useful replies about it on Instagram?

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Mikey RV said:
Have you found a unit yet Tam to do your work in or are you still on mums driveway.
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Im still doing it on the drive but its been down at a garage since monday as they had said they could fabricate me sills and put supports in the front floor for a seat. Needless to say they havent actually done anything yet ☹️ i was down today and its sat outside in their yard ... feeble excuses about covid jabs etc etc .. hopefully they will get their ass in gear next week .

Meanwhile ive just been doing jobs on mums car and in the house .... got a few wee jobs to do on Toby too for its mot which is due in june but im gonna try and get it in early ..
So ive a handbrake cable to fit on that
 
Northernraider said:
I dont think its harsh...folk on here asked me to create this build thread so i did....i just think if it gets sidetracked with a load of other stuff then its harder to follow , folk get fed up with it etc ...and for me its then harder to read back for any usefull input.
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Totally disagree...I like threads going off topic, it makes them more interesting. But Hey Ho as you always point out it’s YOUR thread and YOU should decide what people talk about on YOUR thread 🙄....pram and toys spring to mind....hate censorship but will leave you to YOUR thread once again.........unless I change my mind 😊
 
Thread title is pretty descriptive.
It's not a travel thread.
I couldn't be less interested in the technical aspects of cutting out rust or fabricating Sills (whatever they are) but Tam's threads have drama, and the progress & setbacks are interesting to follow.
 
Tam, show the garage this thread, all the bickering etc the delays are causing, they might be sympathetic and get a shifty on 😀

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I love your thread Tam doing what I wouldn't dare to do! Your van is 10x the van of most self builds including my two.

Keep it up. Preparation is the key to a good finish and all the keep work prior to fitting out will result in a much better home.

Cheers James
 
Like Langtoftlad I really have no great interest in cutting out rust etc. and wouldn’t normally be following something like this but I’m really enjoying this thread.
There is an element of drama as we all follow Tam's progress and I’m really looking forward to him starting to put things back together.
It's a great thread Tam and if you want to tell other people to butt out that’s fine with me.

Richard.
 
Hymerbell said:
Totally disagree...I like threads going off topic, it makes them more interesting. But Hey Ho as you always point out it’s YOUR thread and YOU should decide what people talk about on YOUR thread 🙄....pram and toys spring to mind....hate censorship but will leave you to YOUR thread once again.........unless I change my mind 😊
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Well go hijack the other vanbuild threads then and see how you get on because as far as i can see no one else has this crap.
 
C’mon Tam put some. Pics up, are the sills not available? Not even spurious ones? How are The outriggers for being solid?
 
Hymerbell said:
Totally disagree...I like threads going off topic, it makes them more interesting. But Hey Ho as you always point out it’s YOUR thread and YOU should decide what people talk about on YOUR thread 🙄....pram and toys spring to mind....hate censorship but will leave you to YOUR thread once again.........unless I change my mind 😊
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I'm afraid you are in a minority here. Respect the OP.

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busby said:
Thought it was a forum,,,BUSBY.
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Now we are hijacking the thread.!

You are right of course and we are not mods. However if I could see I was irritating the OP and all the others who are following and contributing, I would get the message.
Didnt mean to be rude to hymerbel.

Some posts encourage divergences and it works great. Tam's post though is very specific. If posters irritate him on purpose it's not good IMHO of course.
 
busby said:
Thought it was a forum,,,BUSBY.
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Yes I agree...an open forum....not a forum for Prima Donna’s who because they disagree with what someone posts throw their toys out of the pram and say well it’s MY thread and you go away because I don’t like what you say...it’s not anybody's thread...it’s an open forum. It would be very boring if everyone had a specific thread which only allowed comments based on one persons viewpoint.....whether that person started the thread or not. Tam has made plenty of comments whether it be about Scottish Independence, Br**it, or privacy depriving drones on lots of threads and is entitled to do so.....but it is NOT his thread...it is A thread on an open forum....there are closed forums like being down the pub with a bunch of mates discussing something and you don’t expect a random person to butt in (although I wouldn’t mind that personally) but this is an open forum not a pub...
 
Sorry but just can’t stand all this “it’s my thread stuff and you go away”. It’s like being at Speakers Corner at Hyde Park and someone shouting out a comment to the guy on the soap box and then being told to go away (showing my age here of course....is Speakers Corner still operating ?). It stifles debate and is censorship....and boring....who wants to stand on Speakers Corner and listen to a soliloquy !
 
There are a couple of members who've contributed nothing to this self build thread, when I say members, I mean MEMBERS.
 
It begs the question in the future should there be a button where the original thread starter can stop someone posting on THEIR thread. You are deliberately being annoying and disruptive mate I woulrnt have the audacity to do it.
 
Eggs said:
There are a couple of members who've contributed nothing to this self build thread, when I say members, I mean MEMBERS.
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You didn’t used to do stand up did you ?

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