Looks like leaving the U.K. is not allowed at the moment

[John Barrett]

It’s all a right pain at the moment - BUT better safe than dead!!!!

I just wish they would find effective ways of Policing the situation (in a fair manner of course).

We went across to France in the MH in September and prior to travel had to complete documents to confirm we had not been in touch with COVID. The documents had to be available to be shown to the people providing the transport (in our case P&O), and anyone else who asked to see them - no-one bothered or even asked!!!!

24 hrs before returning we had to go on line and complete further documents with details of where we would be staying on return to the UK etc etc. When back in the UK, we then had to go into quarantine for 14 days - no-one bothered to check-up on anything...........

We supported the initiatives BUT very disillusioned that no attempts were made to ensure we followed the requirements!

"We supported the initiatives"
Then there was no need to check up on you and I applaud you. Hopefully the authorities are homing in on the others...

 

[RubyOptics]

It really is time to face up to reality.

Firstly, sorry robnchris, I'm not intentionally singling you out in my responses, just this one is very apt to show what I am trying to say.

My grandmother passed away on Sunday. She was 91 years old, had had a wonderful life and was indeed a wonderful woman who will be missed by her entire family. I live in Poland, several other family members live in France. Even though we had roughly 24 hours notice we chose, very deliberately, not to try and return to the UK due to the risks of Covid, both to ourselves and to those we would come in contact with. Our need/want I would say was more pressing that "getting away from it all" and yet we didn't travel as all scientific advice points to that being ONE of the ways that this virus spreads exponentially.

THAT is the reality of the current situation. Going out more than you absolutely have to risks lives. Going on holiday, however much you "stay in your van" risks lives...you will still be stopping for fuel etc that you wouldn't otherwise have needed to do. THAT is the reality. For me, missing that funeral is the reality and i know full well that she would have agreed wholeheartedly with me.

This IS NOT the blitz and it really doesn't matter how stiff our upper lips are and how strong our "unbreakeable British spirit" is if we don't accept these realities and implement them in our lives until such time as the scientists and experts in the field advise us otherwise.

 

[nicholsong]

If travelling to one's home is permitted and travelling with a partner for a valid reason is permitted, then we could travel from Poland to my home and back to OH's home ad infinitem across Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and France.

Except I am not allowed by law to leave the house in Poland because of my age.

Crazy, crazy world.

Geoff

 

[Paul Wilkins]

Where are these people trying to go? Most countries, even Germany have basically told tourists to go home.

 

[Tigertom]

Where are these people trying to go? Most countries, even Germany have basically told tourists to go home.

We’ve not been told by anyone to go home.

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[Paddington]

Like others I'm desperate to get away. Regardless of your views on this rule or that rule, I would urge everyone to follow the rules. My dad died alone on Sunday after being in hospital for a week with covid. My mum is currently in hospital with co vid and doesn't know her husband has died. I am at home with co vid trying to organise a funeral. Very real consequences of this disease which has affected millions of families worldwide. Please stay safe.

 

[G-RMPS]

Frankly if they want to leave then I have no problem with it provided they don't expect to return.

8 people, two families, one car, no insurance. Put ‘em on the boat, crush the car!

Sorry, just spotted Lenny thought the same yesterday!

 

[Paulypaul]

I think this lock down is a joke. I travel to work daily and the amount of traffic is no different to any normal day. I'm also working in sight of the A38 and the stream of lorries etc is endless.
If a lock down is needed then lets lock down properly, not half hearted as we are doing.
I past a vacuum spares shop the other day that was open for business, essential???? I don't think so.

But if there wasn't a stream of lorries perhaps you wouldn't be able to buy your "essential" items?

 

[joemocks79]

All good rule followers here! Stupid if you don’t follow the rules. Never question the validity, logic or reason. Finally, to allow one’s personal freedoms to be removed. History should be our guide.
Who are we protecting here? 80% of deaths are over 70. All deaths are registered as from Covid if contracted within 28 days - die after a road accident 26 days of a positive test - died of Covid not the road accident. No wonder we have the highest death toll.
Finally, my father in law- who we were cared for - was taken into hospital back in April with Sepsis, terminal cancer and urine infection. He didn’t have Covid going into hospital, 3 days later he contracted Covid 3 days later he passed away. On his death certificate Covid was his reason for death - not the sepsis or cancer.
Forgive me if I feel we are fighting this from the wrong direction.
The vulnerable should be given all the help to protect themselves and to make their own decisions. Let’s face it - we are all going to meet our maker.
Let our children go to school, our students to college and our economy to prosper.
I am a pensioner, semi retired. I will take my own precautions as to my own, reasoned, decisions. No one will stop me from giving my Grandkids a cuddle!
I needed this rant as I am British and have always believed that rules are meant to be bent especially bad rules.

This degree of acceptance of your own mortality all sounds very brave and you've nicely invoked some kind of jingoist Britishness about ignoring rules as they never apply to humans living on this particular island but I assume if you do catch it will you then choose to quietly accept your fate at home in that same spirit of individual responsibility and not wanting to follow the herd or will you allow yourself to be taken into hospital to be treated and therefore present a risk of transmitting the virus that you could have avoided catching by taking the precautions that we've all been told to take?
I guess its all hypothetical but I think if you're unwilling to take the precautions to limit the spread of this virus then it's just hypocritical to require responsible public servants to put themselves at risk treating you as a result of your own inaction.

I don't advocate that assistance should be removed from anybody at all. Just that people should apply a smidge more to consider the impact on others that their actions have. The person that passed on Covid to your relative could have been someone who thought they were patriotically ignoring instructions, bending these silly rules and thereby getting themselves avoidably infected and from there resulting in needless further infections, increasing demand on the system and potentially deaths. If that person is healed and goes back to their usual careless practices they've learnt nothing and are out there causing more harm, probably at the same time claiming to others that it's not that bad as they got better and so nobody needs to bother with the rules. This virus will spread as a result of ignorance, carelessness and inconsiderate people and we all know that it kills people who are elderly or have other conditions. We also know it has lasting effects that we don't yet understand or will know will ever get better. A colleague caught it in march and now has long term breathing problems and struggles to walk long distances or climb stairs, she's getting physio treatment to help improve but it's been months now. If you don't want to follow the rules then the least you could do is keep it to yourself rather than going on about it like you're some great example we should all follow and then implying everyone else is just a stupid sheep.

Ignoring these rules makes no-one a hero, isn't their patriotic duty and certainly isn't supporting our health services or helping get us back to a situation where we can all enjoy Christmas with loved ones. It's selfish and inconsiderate and I couldn't less about how intelligent and individual you think you're being. Its irrelevant and unhelpful. I applaud the people who are making the personal sacrifices, at great personal cost, emotionally, financially and mentally. People who do that quietly without feeling the need to broadcast what they're doing over the internet and how smart they are compared to conventional wisdom and guidance. Those people are the real heroes here, there's a lot you and I applaud all of you. I know that you all outweigh those that don't and so we will eventually get on top of this despite the pretty bad example and leadership set by the government. I just hope the individualists who read a crappy tabloid or a Facebook page and suddenly think they know better than virology experts and that they're impervious to the rules that govern the 'rest' of us don't cause too much damage in the meantime.
Keep up the good work and remaining quiet about it, we all know you're out there doing your bit and it's helping. The numbers are going back down again and with a bit of luck it'll be clear enough for us to celebrate the end of this crumby year with some friends and family even if it's in small groups.

 

[robnchris]

Firstly, sorry robnchris, I'm not intentionally singling you out in my responses, just this one is very apt to show what I am trying to say.

My grandmother passed away on Sunday. She was 91 years old, had had a wonderful life and was indeed a wonderful woman who will be missed by her entire family. I live in Poland, several other family members live in France. Even though we had roughly 24 hours notice we chose, very deliberately, not to try and return to the UK due to the risks of Covid, both to ourselves and to those we would come in contact with. Our need/want I would say was more pressing that "getting away from it all" and yet we didn't travel as all scientific advice points to that being ONE of the ways that this virus spreads exponentially.

THAT is the reality of the current situation. Going out more than you absolutely have to risks lives. Going on holiday, however much you "stay in your van" risks lives...you will still be stopping for fuel etc that you wouldn't otherwise have needed to do. THAT is the reality. For me, missing that funeral is the reality and i know full well that she would have agreed wholeheartedly with me.

This IS NOT the blitz and it really doesn't matter how stiff our upper lips are and how strong our "unbreakeable British spirit" is if we don't accept these realities and implement them in our lives until such time as the scientists and experts in the field advise us otherwise.

Please there is no need to apologise, you read my post and reacted, we equally read your posts, first off we offer our condolences for the loss of your Grandmother.
We were in a similar position, 3 weeks ago Chris's favourite Aunt whom she was very close to passed away, nothing to do with covid I hasten to add, the funeral was in Bristol, we live in Chester, for the same reasons as yourselves we choose not to attend the funeral.

If you follow the guidelines, ie. wear a mask, keep a safe distance and wash your hands surely these measures will protect you, a chain is as strong as it's weakest link, going to the supermarket puts you in the presence of other people if everyone observed the safety rules all should be well.
The fact that you are in a store that sells different items but only allowed to buy what someone deems as essential is madness, they say it is to protect the smaller shops.
Nothing said about the companies or their employees that make these items closing down.

Obviously nobody should be thinking about going on holiday or spending an evening in the pub but what happens if the vaccine isn't the magic wand?
Yes people have and are still dying from this Virus but it's not at the top of the list of killers, our personal view is we need to realise it is not going to go away and we need to learn to live with it being amongst us.
Will herd immunity work? one thing is we need to be more vigilant about personal protection, close the universities and have the students study from home via a computer.
Life has to go on, some businesses have learnt diversity and will survive keeping people in jobs and the economy afloat, others have crumbled, surely we need to get people back to work, in a safe environment of course.

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[filopastry]

We’ve not been told by anyone to go home.

Do you need to be told ??
I would suggest that common sense would demand it.
Trouble with common sense is it is not very common.

phil

 

[Northernraider]

The bit that frustrates me is many on these threads who get all high and mighty will be the first to rush out to bars and restaurants should the government be stupid enough to let them reopen on the run up to Christmas etc.

These lockdowns s are pointless if we are going to continually go back and forth between lockdowns and daft ideas like eat out to help covid out.


How many were inside places with no masks?
How many didn't think it was airborne in restaurants, pubs , campsites etc and are now being hypocritical?


I for one haven't been indoors anywhere without a mask ...no pubs , no restaurants etc

I am one of the people who assist in the collection of said figures. I can tell you they aren’t being manipulated and whoever is telling you they are is not being truthful.

There is nothing else I can say.

Well they kind of are

Saying someone died with covid is not the same as dying of covid

 

[George Thomas]

It's a bit of a worry when after all this time people still don't think that a major way of spreading this virus is by being close to others & breathing - coughing - sneezing & touching. Of course it's airborne - wear a mask.

 

[Northernraider]

Mostly people's mums, dads, nans and grandads. And just because they were going to die in a year anyway, makes no difference. An extra year of life is priceless.

But its blatant misleading

When someone has a serious ilness their body is not able to fight covid
But its their exsisting illness that killed them

Had all governments been truthful from the start there would not now be the chaos there is

My sister is fed up with patients of hers who are terminal being put down as covid deaths

Ill obey what rules they bring out but i dont have to blindly believe the bull they spread

Im also not going to put my faith in big pharm companies , vaccines that have to be kept at -70° and the chances of everyone in the world having access to one

I also don't believe in santa , the tooth fairy or miracle's

 

[Northernraider]

It's a bit of a worry when after all this time people still don't think that a major way of spreading this virus is by being close to others & breathing - coughing - sneezing & touching. Of course it's airborne - wear a mask.

When close to others yes

On a moor

On a beach

In a car on your own

No ..... that's just stupid

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[Yorick]

I needed this rant as I am British and have always believed that rules are meant to be bent especially bad rules.

Millions of good Brits died fighting to keep the country safe and uphold democracy. That means we obey ALL the rules, not just the ones you choose.

 

[Northernraider]

Millions of good Brits died fighting to keep the country safe and uphold democracy. That means we obey ALL the rules, not just the ones you choose.

No chance

 

[John Barrett]

Millions of good Brits died fighting to keep the country safe and uphold democracy. That means we obey ALL the rules, not just the ones you choose.

Just a bit sick to laugh at your comment. Still, to be expected...

 

[Yorick]

No chance

OK, I'm gonna burgle your house as I think it's a stupid rule

 

[gus-lopez]

Another person on here making their own rules up. It does get tiresome. The rules for those that are hard of thinking are to wear a face covering if social distancing cannot be maintained. There, that’s not difficult is it? At no point do the rules require a mask.

I think you need to read the laws. You are completely wrong.

There are some places where you must wear a face covering by law.
In England, you must wear a face covering in the following indoor settings (from 5 November, see the guidance on national restrictions to find out which of these settings remain open to the public):

• public transport (aeroplanes, trains, trams and buses)
• taxis and private hire vehicles
• transport hubs (airports, rail and tram stations and terminals, maritime ports and terminals, bus and coach stations and terminals)
• shops and supermarkets (places which offer goods or services for retail sale or hire)
• shopping centres (malls and indoor markets)
• auction houses
• premises providing hospitality (bars, pubs, restaurants, cafes), except when seated at a table to eat or drink (see exemptions)
• post offices, banks, building societies, high-street solicitors and accountants, credit unions, short-term loan providers, savings clubs and money service businesses
• estate and lettings agents
• theatres
• premises providing personal care and beauty treatments (hair salons, barbers, nail salons, massage centres, tattoo and piercing parlours)
• premises providing veterinary services
• visitor attractions and entertainment venues (museums, galleries, cinemas, theatres, concert halls, cultural and heritage sites, aquariums, indoor zoos and visitor farms, bingo halls, amusement arcades, adventure activity centres, indoor sports stadiums, funfairs, theme parks, casinos, skating rinks, bowling alleys, indoor play areas including soft-play areas)
• libraries and public reading rooms
• places of worship
• funeral service providers (funeral homes, crematoria and burial ground chapels)
• community centres, youth centres and social clubs
• exhibition halls and conference centres
• public areas in hotels and hostels
• storage and distribution facilities

You are expected to wear a face covering before entering any of these settings and must keep it on until you leave unless there is a reasonable excuse for removing it.


https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ngs-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own



** " social distancing" doesn't come into it.

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[Coolcats]

The bit that frustrates me is many on these threads who get all high and mighty will be the first to rush out to bars and restaurants should the government be stupid enough to let them reopen on the run up to Christmas etc.

These lockdowns s are pointless if we are going to continually go back and forth between lockdowns and daft ideas like eat out to help covid out.


How many were inside places with no masks?
How many didn't think it was airborne in restaurants, pubs , campsites etc and are now being hypocritical?


I for one haven't been indoors anywhere without a mask ...no pubs , no restaurants etc

Well they kind of are

Saying someone died with covid is not the same as dying of covid

My understanding is that it is the complications and ‘system failures within the body caused by the virus that causes death.

It’s the same as you do not die because you have been stabbed the knife has not killed you but loss of blood or other organ failure caused the death but it is reported that the stabbing caused the death.

 

[gus-lopez]

My grandmother passed away on Sunday. She was 91 years old, had had a wonderful life and was indeed a wonderful woman who will be missed by her entire family.

Sorry to hear that & may she Rest in Peace-

Like others I'm desperate to get away. Regardless of your views on this rule or that rule, I would urge everyone to follow the rules. My dad died alone on Sunday after being in hospital for a week with covid. My mum is currently in hospital with co vid and doesn't know her husband has died. I am at home with co vid trying to organise a funeral. Very real consequences of this disease which has affected millions of families worldwide. Please stay safe.

May he Rest in Peace. I hope both you & your mother make a full recovery

 

[popotla]

Any fines for those trying to get into Kent from Europe? Thought not. One rule for some and one for others, as with masks and social distancing (think BLM/ER).

 

[Jaws]

it would be reasonable to record the death as the road traffic accident and would not show as Covid being the Primary cause,

Yes, it would be reasonable but it is not happening
A few months ago an acquaintance got wiped out while riding to work
His family were up in arms because the death was recorded as covid related

Same happened about May time
A close friends father who was 80+ had been suffering with alzheimer's for some years.
Early in May he had a heart attack, a bad one
He was rushed to Bury St Edmunds hospital, where, two days later he had another heart attack and subsequently died
Death recorded as Covid

Proof absolute that the figures are being fudged

Of course the reason is obvious.. the higher the recorded death rate, the better it is used to get the point across that Covid IS a killer. and should be treated with the utmost respect, taking all possible precautions to neither contract it or infect others

That does not change the undeniable fact the figures are neither accurate or meaningful

 

[Coolcats]

Yes, it would be reasonable but it is not happening
A few months ago an acquaintance got wiped out while riding to work
His family were up in arms because the death was recorded as covid related

Same happened about May time
A close friends father who was 80+ had been suffering with alzheimer's for some years.
Early in May he had a heart attack, a bad one
He was rushed to Bury St Edmunds hospital, where, two days later he had another heart attack and subsequently died
Death recorded as Covid

Proof absolute that the figures are being fudged

Of course the reason is obvious.. the higher the recorded death rate, the better it is used to get the point across that Covid IS a killer. and should be treated with the utmost respect, taking all possible precautions to neither contract it or infect others

That does not change the undeniable fact the figures are neither accurate or meaningful

Sorry to hear this, if you have seen the death certificates then I would complain if a relative had been knocked over by another vehicle and killed.

Having said this I think there is enough evidence both from traumatised NHS staff and statistics from around the globe this is a very real Virus and is causing suffering and misery, even MoHo members are reporting this.

There is disinformation and miss information, I am told there is an invisible energy that could cause my heart to stop suddenly (called and electric shock) I am not going to start to put my fingers in the electric socket to find out.

Stay safe stay cheerful and hope that neither you or your loved ones contract this thing and we can all go out and play again sometime next year.

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[Northernraider]

Yes, it would be reasonable but it is not happening
A few months ago an acquaintance got wiped out while riding to work
His family were up in arms because the death was recorded as covid related

Same happened about May time
A close friends father who was 80+ had been suffering with alzheimer's for some years.
Early in May he had a heart attack, a bad one
He was rushed to Bury St Edmunds hospital, where, two days later he had another heart attack and subsequently died
Death recorded as Covid

Proof absolute that the figures are being fudged

Of course the reason is obvious.. the higher the recorded death rate, the better it is used to get the point across that Covid IS a killer. and should be treated with the utmost respect, taking all possible precautions to neither contract it or infect others

That does not change the undeniable fact the figures are neither accurate or meaningful

Yes these and the library photos used back in march showing lines of coffins actually from 2013 and of course the 13 year old boy who died 5 times in 4 different countries etc ..

And not forgetting the girl from the anti smoking campaign a few years back appearing in the same video but now claiming she had covid

All done to scare the beejesus out of people

Is it then any wonder theres lots of questions around regarding this virus

 

[Northernraider]

Sorry to hear this, if you have seen the death certificates then I would complain if a relative had been knocked over by another vehicle and killed.

Having said this I think there is enough evidence both from traumatised NHS staff and statistics from around the globe this is a very real Virus and is causing suffering and misery, even MoHo members are reporting this.

There is disinformation and miss information, I am told there is an invisible energy that could cause my heart to stop suddenly (called and electric shock) I am not going to start to put my fingers in the electric socket to find out.

Stay safe stay cheerful and hope that neither you or your loved ones contract this thing and we can all go out and play again sometime next year.

There are also many NHS staff on the other side of the fence completly peed off at the mistruths

You just dont here so much from them

 

[Northernraider]

My understanding is that it is the complications and ‘system failures within the body caused by the virus that causes death.

It’s the same as you do not die because you have been stabbed the knife has not killed you but loss of blood or other organ failure caused the death but it is reported that the stabbing caused the death.

Thats hardly a comparison to be honest

 

[Northernraider]

Just a bit sick to laugh at your comment. Still, to be expected...

Nothing sick about it

I can guarantee that not a single person on this forum obeys every rule and law and always have done

Not one

And any who claim they do are either a liar or completely deluded not to mention a hypocrite

So let he without sin cast the first stone as they say

I break rules all the time because many rules are plain stupid its that simple
But i dont claim otherwise as i dont like to be a hypocrite

 

[Tigertom]

Do you need to be told ??
I would suggest that common sense would demand it.
Trouble with common sense is it is not very common.

phil

Why , am I safer at home, are other people safer if I travel home?
Any more pearls of wisdom.

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