Looks like leaving the U.K. is not allowed at the moment

[Northernraider]

At least it is in English too . I remember our first visit to Greece and got off the ferry and the first signpost was in Greek and I thought sh.. my map is in English ! Was I relieved when the next one was in English lol
Oops just realised it is in French lol

Its not lol ....its only in greek but the french guy Laurent printed it off for me so its in greek and french ....

 

[Northernraider]

Well they were going to Bulgaria.

Yeah i assumed it was Bulgarians trying to return home ..
The insurance is another matter of course

But theres apparently no lockdown in bulgaria as a french family left here today heading there as they need to be back in france by Christmas

 

[Cheshirecat57]

I sit and work with 6-7 people in the office. But we can’t walk home together.... crazy rules and I can work from home but being asked to go to work

Im interested as to what job you do

 

[James-Alex]

Im interested as to what job you do

Water supply and sewerage industry operations

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Water supply and sewerage industry operations

Just going through the motions then

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[robnchris]

The car with 8 people in it had no insurance they gave him a fixed penalty, why didn't they confiscate the car & crush it?

Disagree with this, Suggest recycle the car Crush the occupants.

 

[kimndon]

All good rule followers here! Stupid if you don’t follow the rules. Never question the validity, logic or reason. Finally, to allow one’s personal freedoms to be removed. History should be our guide.
Who are we protecting here? 80% of deaths are over 70. All deaths are registered as from Covid if contracted within 28 days - die after a road accident 26 days of a positive test - died of Covid not the road accident. No wonder we have the highest death toll.
Finally, my father in law- who we were cared for - was taken into hospital back in April with Sepsis, terminal cancer and urine infection. He didn’t have Covid going into hospital, 3 days later he contracted Covid 3 days later he passed away. On his death certificate Covid was his reason for death - not the sepsis or cancer.
Forgive me if I feel we are fighting this from the wrong direction.
The vulnerable should be given all the help to protect themselves and to make their own decisions. Let’s face it - we are all going to meet our maker.
Let our children go to school, our students to college and our economy to prosper.
I am a pensioner, semi retired. I will take my own precautions as to my own, reasoned, decisions. No one will stop me from giving my Grandkids a cuddle!
I needed this rant as I am British and have always believed that rules are meant to be bent especially bad rules.

 

[Coolcats]

This is the sort of thing that worries me. People not understanding.

According to wiki it is an airborne transmitted virus, whilst I do not normally use Wiki as a reference this article does have references. Whilst I agree that transmission. May only be a few meters it is still airborne therefore it could be caught shopping, or in a pub, school hospital or office. Air conditioning also helps the spread of the virus although I agree with you in that in the open and few people bout it is highly unlikely you would catch the virus.

Airborne transmission - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Googlebot]

All good rule followers here! Stupid if you don’t follow the rules. Never question the validity, logic or reason. Finally, to allow one’s personal freedoms to be removed. History should be our guide.
Who are we protecting here? 80% of deaths are over 70. All deaths are registered as from Covid if contracted within 28 days - die after a road accident 26 days of a positive test - died of Covid not the road accident. No wonder we have the highest death toll.
Finally, my father in law- who we were cared for - was taken into hospital back in April with Sepsis, terminal cancer and urine infection. He didn’t have Covid going into hospital, 3 days later he contracted Covid 3 days later he passed away. On his death certificate Covid was his reason for death - not the sepsis or cancer.
Forgive me if I feel we are fighting this from the wrong direction.
The vulnerable should be given all the help to protect themselves and to make their own decisions. Let’s face it - we are all going to meet our maker.
Let our children go to school, our students to college and our economy to prosper.
I am a pensioner, semi retired. I will take my own precautions as to my own, reasoned, decisions. No one will stop me from giving my Grandkids a cuddle!
I needed this rant as I am British and have always believed that rules are meant to be bent especially bad rules.

Come spend a day in the NHS and tell all the people waiting for routine surgery, Ambulances, appointments that they should just ignore the rules.

While we are inundated with COVID patients who are sick, some of them having caught it because they didn’t like the rules, we can’t care for everyone else.

I wish you luck and genuinely hope you don’t catch it after the week I have had.

 

[robnchris]

Come spend a day in the NHS and tell all the people waiting for routine surgery, Ambulances, appointments that they should just ignore the rules.

While we are inundated with COVID patients who are sick, some of them having caught it because they didn’t like the rules, we can’t care for everyone else.

I wish you luck and genuinely hope you don’t catch it after the week I have had.

Certainly the figures of those that died have been manipulated, truth is that yes, people have died from Covid and that is very sad but people are dying everyday from something so lots of families are living with grief.
Depending on which report you read more people are dying of other causes making Covid well down the list in the top 20 killers and yet not only our government but world wide we are plunging into financial ruin
The Cure is definitely worse than the cure.
Wether or not the vaccine is going to be a miraculous cure we are going to have to learn to live with covid or face mass unemployment and financial disaster.
It really is time to face up to reality.

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[Googlebot]

I am one of the people who assist in the collection of said figures. I can tell you they aren’t being manipulated and whoever is telling you they are is not being truthful.

There is nothing else I can say.

 

[Jim]

Who are we protecting here?

Mostly people's mums, dads, nans and grandads. And just because they were going to die in a year anyway, makes no difference. An extra year of life is priceless.

 

[Coolcats]

Mostly people's mums, dads, nans and grandads. And just because they were going to die in a year anyway, makes no difference. An extra year is of life is priceless.

Agree with you Jim there are also the younger individuals who are suffering brain fog and multiple organ issues that surround long Covid. I just hope those that can keep themselves and family safe and we’ll do

 

[glenn2926]

And dont you just love some of those masks !
Some just a fashion statement and totally useless ,but fulfils the law.

Medscape: Medscape Access

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Another person on here making their own rules up. It does get tiresome. The rules for those that are hard of thinking are to wear a face covering if social distancing cannot be maintained. There, that’s not difficult is it? At no point do the rules require a mask.

 

[Googlebot]

Mostly people's mums, dads, nans and grandads. And just because they were going to die in a year anyway, makes no difference. An extra year is of life is priceless.

Absolutely!

It isn’t just the elderly though, we had the awful episode of a 38 year old dying from COVID yesterday.

Please, follow the rules.

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[glenn2926]

I am one of the people who assist in the collection of said figures. I can tell you they aren’t being manipulated and whoever is telling you they are is not being truthful.

There is nothing else I can say.

So you are trying to tell us that the man who was run over by a bus after having tested for Coronavirus was killed by the virus and not by the bus. The recording of death should tell us if Coronavirus killed them or they just tested positive.
Many older men die with prostate cancer but it’s not usually the cause of death. Therefore the cancer is not recorded as cause of death. It seems that even if the dead person tested positive in the last 28 days then no matter what killed them they are recorded as a Coronavirus death. We would just like the true figures. Did they die of Covid or with it? Surely that’s not asking too much.

 

[Coolcats]

So you are trying to tell us that the man who was run over by a bus after having tested for Coronavirus was killed by the virus and not by the bus. The recording of death should tell us if Coronavirus killed them or they just tested positive.
Many older men die with prostate cancer but it’s not usually the cause of death. Therefore the cancer is not recorded as cause of death. It seems that even if the dead person tested positive in the last 28 days then no matter what killed them they are recorded as a Coronavirus death. We would just like the true figures. Did they die of Covid or with it? Surely that’s not asking too much.

Googlebot will be able to answer that better but my guess is there reporting of the Covid would be as a Covid Case and the road traffic accident as a road traffic accident. There would not be a need to classify the death as someone dying with Covid.
So where does that leave us? It leaves us with stats that tell us where hotspots are, how many cases have been recorded how many in hospital and how many have died directly caused by Covid infection.

Covid cases and deaths today: coronavirus UK map

Are UK coronavirus cases rising in your local area and nationally? Check week-on-week changes across England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland and the latest figures from public health authorities

www.theguardian.com

 

[Googlebot]

So you are trying to tell us that the man who was run over by a bus after having tested for Coronavirus was killed by the virus and not by the bus. The recording of death should tell us if Coronavirus killed them or they just tested positive.
Many older men die with prostate cancer but it’s not usually the cause of death. Therefore the cancer is not recorded as cause of death. It seems that even if the dead person tested positive in the last 28 days then no matter what killed them they are recorded as a Coronavirus death. We would just like the true figures. Did they die of Covid or with it? Surely that’s not asking too much.

Look at the excess deaths data, the reporting of deaths with COVID has changed several times for a number of reasons. Excess deaths however will tell a true story whichever way you look at it.

 

[robnchris]

Mostly people's mums, dads, nans and grandads. And just because they were going to die in a year anyway, makes no difference. An extra year is of life is priceless.

Very true Jim, and very sad we all feel when we lose a loved one, no one is suggesting or saying that isn’t the case.

The bigger picture is more people are dying from other causes, some of which are being exacerbated because of the way we are dealing with Covid.

In my life time I cannot recall any other disease that has been treated in this way despite them killing many more people that covid has.
I only wish there was a magic wand but there isn’t, will the current vaccines bring this covid virus under control who knows.

One thing is for certain is the amount of damage that Westminster’s actions are having on the economy, 1000’s of people losing their jobs, businesses closing, ridiculous rules that you can only buy essential items, (what detrimental effect does buying a frying pan cause).

The majority of people are conforming in efforts to protect against Covid, washing their hands, wearing masks and keeping a safe distance, a minority are ignoring the current rules the results of which the whole country is plunged into lockdown.

How crazy is it that the Southwest is being punished for a hand full of idiots in Manchester, Liverpool etc.

I only wish I had the answer.

 

[glenn2926]

Look at the excess deaths data, the reporting of deaths with COVID has changed several times for a number of reasons. Excess deaths however will tell a true story whichever way you look at it.

You are not answering the question. It’s really easy, have they died of or with Covid?
The excess deaths, are they people being killed by Covid or have they died because they are not getting the treatment they would get in normal times? If it’s the latter I suppose it it is a death caused by Coronavirus even though Covid didn’t kill them.

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[Googlebot]

You are not answering the question. It’s really easy, have they died of or with Covid?
The excess deaths, are they people being killed by Covid or have they died because they are not getting the treatment they would get in normal times? If it’s the latter I suppose it it is a death caused by Coronavirus even though Covid didn’t kill them.

You know the answer to your hypothetical question. It is recorded as a death within 28 days of a positive test, not a death due to COVID.

Quite what you are trying to say is a bit bemusing to say the least. I work for the NHS, I directly collate figures for the NHS, I treat COVID patients on a daily basis. I have no agenda other than to do my best for my patients and the public.

To be honest, I am tired of people twisting things to suit their own ends. If it makes you happy believe what you like, I wish you well.

Time for me to exit this thread.

 

[Coolcats]

You are not answering the question. It’s really easy, have they died of or with Covid?
The excess deaths, are they people being killed by Covid or have they died because they are not getting the treatment they would get in normal times? If it’s the latter I suppose it it is a death caused by Coronavirus even though Covid didn’t kill them.

Your question is an interesting one but would require much more than you are asking, if someone dies as per your road traffic example it would be reasonable to record the death as the road traffic accident and would not show as Covid being the Primary cause, however if someone had for example a heart condition then caught Covid taken in to hospital and passed away due to the complications of Covid then it would be as a Covid related death.

Death can be recorded just as my father did from heart failure but it was actually multiple failures and conditions that also contributed to his death all of which was recorded at the autopsy. Grim reading but statistically it was heart failure.

Stay safe and well, and have MoHo fun next year when this will be a bad distant memory

 

[busby]

I don't know where you are but. How is me wearing a mask on Ilkely moor going to help to protect you. Today I walked 11.5 miles over the moor and saw thats saw not went near 3 people. How would me wearing a face covering protect them? the nearest was probably a quarter to a third of a mile away.

Common sense i think..I wear my mask around my neck when out walking and just pull it up when people approach..BUSBY.

 

[Cherub]

Look at the excess deaths data, the reporting of deaths with COVID has changed several times for a number of reasons. Excess deaths however will tell a true story whichever way you look at it.

Currently over 70k.

 

[John Barrett]

"One thing is for certain is the amount of damage that Westminster’s actions are having on the economy,"

Gosh, what a revelation. Up until now I was quite sure that it was down to a pandemic that had killed tens of thousands of people...

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[jollyrodger]

Another person on here making their own rules up. It does get tiresome. The rules for those that are hard of thinking are to wear a face covering if social distancing cannot be maintained. There, that’s not difficult is it? At no point do the rules require a mask.

If you could read the link (I can) you would see that it was written by Dr's who do know and not assume

 

[RubyOptics]

How crazy is it that the Southwest is being punished for a hand full of idiots in Manchester, Liverpool etc.

You can spend literally less than 1 minute looking at posts on these very forums to see how many "sensible southerners" have been posting that they will be going away come hell or high water unless the law is literally changed to make it so they can't.

In my life time I cannot recall any other disease that has been treated in this way despite them killing many more people that covid has.

Because there hasn't been one and despite countless warnings from virologists that this would happen, precautions were not taken and they weren't listened to. The closest one could come to saying that this has happened in living memory would be HIV/AIDS which wasn't treated with the same seriousness as it was "only" a "gay virus" and didn't affect normal, respectable citizens like and so was brushed under the carpet for years.

ridiculous rules that you can only buy essential items, (what detrimental effect does buying a frying pan cause).

Because, when taken as a group, people are idiots. Every single level of group/societal planning is made to the lowest common denominator. If it isn't said that you really shouldn't be going out to buy a frying pan right now, there will be thousands of people who assume that it is absolutely fine in the middle of a global pandemic to do just that. So it's written down that they should absolutely not do that.

 

[busby]

If you could read the link (I can) you would see that it was written by Dr's who do know and not assume

Yet in other countries the doctors advice is to wear a face covering at all times..I for one feel better protected with my mask on because i am sure many think this pandemic is over and have forgotten about SD. BUSBY.

 

[Twogirls]

You are not answering the question. It’s really easy, have they died of or with Covid?
The excess deaths, are they people being killed by Covid or have they died because they are not getting the treatment they would get in normal times? If it’s the latter I suppose it it is a death caused by Coronavirus even though Covid didn’t kill them.

AFAIK if an apparently healthy person of any age dies for any reason and hasn't been seen recently by a doctor, the law dictates that a post mortem must be conducted to determine the cause of death. So, in agreement with what you're saying, why aren't we being told the full data on causes of death?

 

[bexleyjohn]

It’s all a right pain at the moment - BUT better safe than dead!!!!

I just wish they would find effective ways of Policing the situation (in a fair manner of course).

We went across to France in the MH in September and prior to travel had to complete documents to confirm we had not been in touch with COVID. The documents had to be available to be shown to the people providing the transport (in our case P&O), and anyone else who asked to see them - no-one bothered or even asked!!!!

24 hrs before returning we had to go on line and complete further documents with details of where we would be staying on return to the UK etc etc. When back in the UK, we then had to go into quarantine for 14 days - no-one bothered to check-up on anything...........

We supported the initiatives BUT very disillusioned that no attempts were made to ensure we followed the requirements!

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