Has the bubble burst

[PeteH]

Indeed, I can get any part, and I mean any part sent over by Winnebago Parts, direct to me, within almost a week and not obvious parts either. I lost the centre of the stainless wheel trim when I clipped a cone in France, one week. I wanted two extra wall lights to match existing, one week. I damaged a length of internal wall trim by not paying attention when moving a slide out, 6ft timber piece finished in the required colour, one week. The Auto Transmission Module, the part that controls the gear change, that took 9 days because it had to be programmed to our particular vehicle.

Further, our Winnie has a lift manufactured by Burr Lifts fitted to help disabled Management get in. A week or so after taking delivery the motor became very intermittent but you could get it going by tapping it with a rubber mallet. Hmmmmmmmmm thinks Mike, dodgy connection or more likely a sticking commutator brush. I sends an email to Burr and three days later had heard nothing which displeased me, but later that day there is a ring on the door bell by UPS with a parcel containing a complete replacement motor assembly, no charge.

Perhaps we are just lucky as I just don’t understand the Euro motor home problem.

I wanted a part for a 1990`s Adventurer. Because we where in Montana and En-Route for Texas, we actually went to the Winnebago Factory. The part was On the shelf!!!, and fitted before we left their on-site Camp-ground!. Got the tour of the factory whilst we where there too!.

 

[Silver-Fox]

It's not only the price of the van, if you discount that as you will get so much back but say depreciation at £1000 a year, diesel probably getting on for another £1000 ,tax and insurance services another £1000 , all that is before you get anywhere probably another grand if you use sites, and food, that's all looking on the low side, where could you go for four grand get fed and watered and not have to empty your own toilet, now god forbid my usual knockers to say I'm a miserable old bugger because we do it and enjoy it, but can't see many young ones seeing it that way they just want comfort and all done for them.
Just how I see it.

I know some people that will spend 5 to 6 k on an all inclusive holiday for a family of four.

I’m not talking Barbados or any exotic location either.

I’m not saying MoHo holidaying/touring is cheap. But it’s that old sliding scale, the more you use it the cheaper each day becomes.

Plus your not dependent on airports and flights.
At least two hours in an airport before a flight is a drag.
Had a late flight on Sunday back from Prague.
Late boarding as the plane was late in.
Then stood on tarmac nearly 3/4 hour before pushback.
Not what I needed late at night to be honest.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

It's not only the price of the van, if you discount that as you will get so much back but say depreciation at £1000 a year, diesel probably getting on for another £1000 ,tax and insurance services another £1000 , all that is before you get anywhere probably another grand if you use sites, and food, that's all looking on the low side, where could you go for four grand get fed and watered and not have to empty your own toilet, now god forbid my usual knockers to say I'm a miserable old bugger because we do it and enjoy it, but can't see many young ones seeing it that way they just want comfort and all done for them.
Just how I see it.

I dream of £1000 a year depretiation

 

[Blue Knight]

I’m not saying MoHo holidaying/touring is cheap. But it’s that old sliding scale, the more you use it the cheaper each day becomes.

This post is not directed at you BTW (I'm just waiting for my coffee to come) :

.......and if I was a business risk strategist then your very valid point would be at the top of my risk matrix along with a purple indicator slapped right next to it (green, amber, red, purple being the critical risk level).

Why? Because young families have not got the time these days to buy extravagantly expensive toys and then make them pay in their favour. They are most likely working their socks off to maintain their mortgage debts and childcare payments. We only need to look at the age demographic of this forum to realise that new vans are not being being sold to the under 40's and, to some extent, the under 50's too.....................also, when a younger family does buy a motorhome then what have they really got to look forward to: Extortionate running costs and taxes, the 'dirty diesel' stigma and parking restrictions, horrendous build-quality issues of vans and poor dealer support networks, LEZ zones, 'no camping permitted' signs and jam packed caravan sites full of oldies. Very cool eh, and just about what every young and vibrant camper wants from their memorable family holiday; let me think about that for a second?

In the last 24-hours alone the geo-political and global economic market has changed again. President Trump has announced the application of a10% import tax for all remianing domestic products that originate from China, c.USD$300Bn, to commence 1st Sep. This will reinforce a huge financial imbalance in the global markets, starting now, but more importantly it will create a degree of financial uncertainty amongst those punters who are desperately seeking an element of buyer confidence and, at a time, when the 31st Oct benchmark is already dampening morale in our own localised marketplace.

It would interesting to be a fly on the wall in the boardrooms of the big UK converters right now. If they have any collective sense of responsibility or self preservation about them then they won't front-load huge stock levels or impose unobtainable sales quotas on their dealer network for this coming MY20 ranges or, else, their dealer network will be much reduced by this time next year.

We'll know soon enough.

Coffee time

 

[jongood]

Pre motorhome we regularly did a greek week package. We did one this year because of time constraints, it wa ok but doesnt compare with a motorhome trip. we won't be doing another one anytime soon!

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[chaser]

I dream of £1000 a year depretiation

I know that but the whole calculation was erring to the best case , it could easily be several times more cost.
Just trying to keep it low for my own justification.
We go to albufieria every winter and can get a hotel room for about £300 a week and flights for £100 , where's the sense when you work it out.

 

[Ivory55]

If the other half was ok about flying I guess with just the 2 of us now we would probably be doing a package holiday or short break thing instead of the motorhome. There is some good deals out there in low season and you don’t have to wash the plane down when you get home. Haha

 

[jongood]

Its the airport experience I hate, you're poorly treated from start to end , the security people at Birmingham were ridiculous. While we were hobbling through, shoeless trying to hold my trousers up We had our 'liquids' in clear bags from our kitchen drawer which were about 1 inch bigger than theirs so they insisted we swap them and then didn't even look at them. And then we got to sit in the hardest seats ever for 5 long hours while subjected to high pressure sales for all sorts of things. I suppose we've got used to throwing all sorts of ghings in th mh

 

[jongood]

And the water thing! If 101ml of liquid is enough to bring a plane down then what would a motorhome tank full do to a ferry.

 

[chaser]

And the water thing! If 101ml of liquid is enough to bring a plane down then what would a motorhome tank full do to a ferry.

It's always amazed me that a ferry has never been sank, easiest thing ever.

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[SpeedyDux]

I dream of £1000 a year depretiation

Or, about £1000 depreciation over 10 years - if you buy the right VW camper.

 

[SpeedyDux]

It's always amazed me that a ferry has never been sank, easiest thing ever.

Herald of Free Enterprise ... that was a biggie. In all the news.

1987, shortly after leaving Zeebrugge. Terrible disaster, that was 100% preventable.

 

[PeteH]

It's always amazed me that a ferry has never been sank, easiest thing ever.

Looks like it on Paper. However, in order to sink a modern Ferry, you would need a team of Trained Personnel, one or two guys with Back Packs would cause less (collateral) damage than the average shoreside Bombing largely due to the number of different compartments. Several Vehicles full of explosive would have to be placed such that 50% minimum of the Separate compartments below waterline where breached, No one could guarantee the positioning of these vehicles during loading. It could be done with Contact Mines placed on the Hull, which again would need a Seal Team or similar. The loss of life attributed to the Herald of Free Enterprise was contingent upon the volume of water literally "Scooped up" via the open front loading door, which caused what is known in Naval Architecture as "Free Surface Effect". It takes some explaining, but try walking a Tray of water without spillage and feel the effect of the "Wedge" of fluid as you walk. That was what caused the capsize. And as a direct result all new build ferries are further compartmentalised. Many, if not all, are now divided down the centre of the ship, longitudinally. Aircraft are the easier target because the stuctural integrity of the Cabin can be compromised by a small device and the destruction is completed by the pressurised interior. Some years back as I recall, a vessel in the Mediterranean was boarded and taken over by Terrorists, but that took a team of over a dozen heavily armed Men. They threatened crew and passengers, (and executed at least one disabled Jewish Gentleman). That is the greater level of threat to shipping In My View.

 

[steve 6644]

[QUOTE="

I do wish you all the best since your attitude deserves success.

Regards,

Andrew
[/QUOTE]

I think it guarantees it in the long run, good boy, business ain't rocket science, unless your an accuntant.

 

[steve 6644]

It's always amazed me that a ferry has never been sank, easiest thing ever.

Just get an Italian Captain at the helm
Sorry...

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[Silver-Fox]

This post is not directed at you BTW (I'm just waiting for my coffee to come) :

.......and if I was a business risk strategist then your very valid point would be at the top of my risk matrix along with a purple indicator slapped right next to it (green, amber, red, purple being the critical risk level).

Why? Because young families have not got the time these days to buy extravagantly expensive toys and then make them pay in their favour. They are most likely working their socks off to maintain their mortgage debts and childcare payments. We only need to look at the age demographic of this forum to realise that new vans are not being being sold to the under 40's and, to some extent, the under 50's too.....................also, when a younger family does buy a motorhome then what have they really got to look forward to: Extortionate running costs and taxes, the 'dirty diesel' stigma and parking restrictions, horrendous build-quality issues of vans and poor dealer support networks, LEZ zones, 'no camping permitted' signs and jam packed caravan sites full of oldies. Very cool eh, and just about what every young and vibrant camper wants from their memorable family holiday; let me think about that for a second?

In the last 24-hours alone the geo-political and global economic market has changed again. President Trump has announced the application of a10% import tax for all remianing domestic products that originate from China, c.USD$300Bn, to commence 1st Sep. This will reinforce a huge financial imbalance in the global markets, starting now, but more importantly it will create a degree of financial uncertainty amongst those punters who are desperately seeking an element of buyer confidence and, at a time, when the 31st Oct benchmark is already dampening morale in our own localised marketplace.

It would interesting to be a fly on the wall in the boardrooms of the big UK converters right now. If they have any collective sense of responsibility or self preservation about them then they won't front-load huge stock levels or impose unobtainable sales quotas on their dealer network for this coming MY20 ranges or, else, their dealer network will be much reduced by this time next year.

We'll know soon enough.

Coffee time

Point taken, but you don't have to spend a fortune on a Moho to enjoy it.

5k will buy you something reliable if you buy clever.
Thats two all inclusive to some cheap destinations, or maybe just one.

I appreciate some parents work a lot, I certainly did supporting a wife and three kids back in the day.
Self employed as well but was still forced to have 4 weeks off a year.
That was un paid as well

 

[Blue Knight]

[QUOTE="

I do wish you all the best since your attitude deserves success.

Regards,

Andrew

With so many companies going bust each year then I would suggest that the mechanism of business is a wee bit more difficult than you suggest, albeit it's nice to be positive as you mention above.

A positive attitude may help beat all odds if you're a window cleaner but that's about it IMO.

Some of the British converters take liberties with their customer base (poor quality construction and shoddy afterservice to name but a couple of points) so it'll be interesting to see how they adjust to the rapidly changing marketplace and if they become more customer, quality and and support focused.

They had it easy for these last few years so we'll soon see who has business acumen at the top of the tree to survive and who is destined for the scrap heap.

That balloon is definelty deflating.

 

[nicholsong]

I dream of £1000 a year depretiation

That sounds like an owner who bought new.

I bought a 6 year old N&B Arto 69 10 years ago secondhand and looking at the market now my depreciation seems to be around £500 p.a.

Geoff

 

[Cheshirecat57]

That sounds like an owner who bought new.

I bought a 6 year old N&B Arto 69 10 years ago secondhand and looking at the market now my depreciation seems to be around £500 p.a.

Geoff

Yes, occupational hazard
I never buy anything second hand, depreciation is a constant companion?

 

[Quick Quick]

Motorhome dealers and campsite owners are pricing themselves out of business, with all the cheap holidays abroad , younger people are not going to fork out 10s of thousands of pounds to sit in a rainy field at a greater cost than they can b&b in the sun.
Most older people have done it for years and it's a way of life, certainly not cheap holidays and this older generation have give up I think there will be a swift decline in motorhomes.
Only my take on it, others probably disagree.

I agree with you, but I do not necessarily think that there will be a serious decline after growth of 20% over the last year or two, which was a bit high, to enable some manufacturers to keep up. A retailer going out of business reinforces my view that customer service will make or break a dealer, and manufacturers will have to improve their build quality or suffer the consequence.

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[chaser]

I agree with you, but I do not necessarily think that there will be a serious decline after growth of 20% over the last year or two, which was a bit high, to enable some manufacturers to keep up. A retailer going out of business reinforces my view that customer service will make or break a dealer, and manufacturers will have to improve their build quality or suffer the consequence.

Quite right but that also means there will be 20% more second hand ones about.

 

[Quick Quick]

Woolworths closed? When did that happen, must have slept through that one....

Not thinking of buying a MH from them anyway.

 

[Quick Quick]

Quite right but that also means there will be 20% more second hand ones about.

That's if they last that long if the build quality does not improve. Economies of scale will prevail

 

[Gerby]

Personally not worried about bubbles whether they are expanding, contracting or bursting I (rather selfishly) have a motor home I love and use regularly and should I need to change it, its change in value either plus or minus would probably be the same (percentage wise) as what I would be replacing it with.

Bubbles are only really an issue to a new buyer (got mine), Dealers (not one) and any one getting out of the motorhome lifestyle (not planning on this for many, many years hopefully)

 

[Knuckle dragger]

I dream of £1000 a year depretiation

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[Knuckle dragger]

I blame the government for changing the rules on pensions allowing folk to draw 25% of their pot tax free. House paid for ✓ no debt cash in bank✓ what am I gonna spend that dish on, I know a camper!!!

 

[Silver-Fox]

I blame the government for changing the rules on pensions allowing folk to draw 25% of their pot tax free. House paid for ✓ no debt cash in bank✓ what am I gonna spend that dish on, I know a camper!!!

I would of thought they would more likely go for a caravan.
But I could be wrong, often am ?

 

[nicholsong]

I blame the government for changing the rules on pensions allowing folk to draw 25% of their pot tax free. House paid for ✓ no debt cash in bank✓ what am I gonna spend that dish on, I know a camper!!!

It has been like that for decades.

 

[Ivory55]

I blame the government for changing the rules on pensions allowing folk to draw 25% of their pot tax free. House paid for ✓ no debt cash in bank✓ what am I gonna spend that dish on, I know a camper!!!

May be they saw it as their way of getting the economy spending. Also people have seen if you have any money left then they take it off of you to pay for your care when you’re old. If you have spent it then they pay it for you

 

[Quick Quick]

I blame the government for changing the rules on pensions allowing folk to draw 25% of their pot tax free. House paid for ✓ no debt cash in bank✓ what am I gonna spend that dish on, I know a camper!!!

Exactly!!

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