Has the bubble burst

[steve 6644]

You're visiting the wrong places. At this moment we're on Smeetons Lakes site at Newark. It's a huge site yet has all the good things you mention and none of the bad.

Well, you’ve just kyboshed that then, now it’s on the radar



Actually the site I mentioned was Smedmore House Kimmeridge which I love, but not wreathed in smoke, accompanied by someone trying to impress everyone else in ear shot with their overly loud phone calls and radios etc.

I forgot to mention the latest torture...
I found my perfect site about a month ago, just an hour’s drive from home, lots of beautiful walks from site, lovely private owner, no facilities, really quiet and immaculately kept and absolutely tons of room. I had about four days of bliss and recuperation here when all of a sudden, a noise like a dentist’s drill suddenly erupted. I could not source it, it seemed to come from everywhere, and then I realised what it was.
A sodding drone! It whizzed about for about fifteen minutes here there everywhere like robotic wasp. These things are coming down in price and will be everywhere before we know it, perfect for arsholes to disrupt the unsuspecting.

In fact, I think that may have been the last straw for me, I think I realised in that moment that the days of peace and quiet are probably gone forever now. There will always be some prick with a bit of tech that can screw it up, you know like a jet ski up a quiet stretch of river. Nobody seems to value the precious environment the countryside is anymore, certainly not the lycra clad extreme off road mountain bike idiots that suddenly thundered past us on the private farm track at Damage Barton a few months back, big sweaty blokes smothered in extremeness.
Christ knows how they got onto it.

It's all changed so much over the recent past, all the brochures illustrate the image of getting away to wild quiet spots and the gentle freedom etc. The reality is most places will soon become like hysterical travellers camps at the current rate of decline, full of door slamming white stealth vans.

Also, can someone explain why people throw bags of dogshit to dangle in trees and bushes??

Happy little bunny ain't I

 

[pandas]

He is merely pointing out that he ,&other youngster's, need 10x salary+to just purchase a house so the likelihood of having a spare 60k+for a my is hardly likely.

Agreed but the same applies to most other luxury items that’s why I was wondering what point was being made. A house would be a better initial investment.

 

[bigtree]

You're visiting the wrong places. At this moment we're on Smeetons Lakes site at Newark. It's a huge site yet has all the good things you mention and none of the bad.

What about all the Goose shit ?

 

[MANGOFORTH]

pandas The thread was about the future of motorhomes. All I said was my generation (not necessarily me) stuggle to get the essentials, for example.... A house. Therefore expensive luxurious items like a motorhome will not be a priority. What part didn't you understand?

 

[nicholsong]

To be honest, I think the the whole caravan/motorhome thing is going to evaporate into an over exploited, over susbscribed pursuit that used to be a relaxing simple way to get some peace and quiet in the out doors. Larks singing above you,the smell of the countryside, the distant hum of an airplain prop... That atmosphere of gentle homeland contentment, curtacy, and concideration for others, an unwriten code of respect and trust.
I have been absent from all this for about fifteen years and so far this year I have been subjected people bellowing on their phones, one halfway up Catbells for christ sake! and another ten feet away from where I was sitting slurping at a developing sunset!!! then a camp fire thing was lit which smoked like a bonfire,
sodding tv's and radios blaring, the poxy dogs barking, the doors slamming, frizbees, light pollution from led solar lighting smothered awnings, dog shit everywhere, feral brats on bikes and scooters!!!!!

The buble has indeed burst, or should I say boil.

It's so different today and I'm not sure if it is for me anymore to be honest, just too busy and like Pontins on wheels

Sounds as those experiences are linked to campsites.

In 10 years of MHoming we have not experienced those sort of negatives when on Aires or wildcamping.

Maybe you should try that style before giving up.

Geoff

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[Paddywack]

I have been absent from all this for about fifteen years and so far this year I have been subjected people bellowing on their phones, one halfway up Catbells for christ sake!

Oh come on, you didn't expect peace, quiet and solitude on Catbells did you?

 

[MANGOFORTH]

You've really annoyed me pandas...I didn't say wahh booboo poor us we want it all for free. I didn't say it was a right of passage. You've just completely misinterpreted/misunderstood what I've said, and come across condescending and rude. I'm very much aware equal opportunities and equal outcome are different. And anyone from an older generation that cannot see how things are, are obviously blinded due to having their head up their @*!#

 

[tonyidle]

What about all the Goose shit ?

That's simply part of the countryside .

 

[Deneb]

Well, you’ve just kyboshed that then, now it’s on the radar



Actually the site I mentioned was Smedmore House Kimmeridge which I love, but not wreathed in smoke, accompanied by someone trying to impress everyone else in ear shot with their overly loud phone calls and radios etc.

I forgot to mention the latest torture...
I found my perfect site about a month ago, just an hour’s drive from home, lots of beautiful walks from site, lovely private owner, no facilities, really quiet and immaculately kept and absolutely tons of room. I had about four days of bliss and recuperation here when all of a sudden, a noise like a dentist’s drill suddenly erupted. I could not source it, it seemed to come from everywhere, and then I realised what it was.
A sodding drone! It whizzed about for about fifteen minutes here there everywhere like robotic wasp. These things are coming down in price and will be everywhere before we know it, perfect for arsholes to disrupt the unsuspecting.

In fact, I think that may have been the last straw for me, I think I realised in that moment that the days of peace and quiet are probably gone forever now. There will always be some prick with a bit of tech that can screw it up, you know like a jet ski up a quiet stretch of river. Nobody seems to value the precious environment the countryside is anymore, certainly not the lycra clad extreme off road mountain bike idiots that suddenly thundered past us on the private farm track at Damage Barton a few months back, big sweaty blokes smothered in extremeness.
Christ knows how they got onto it.

It's all changed so much over the recent past, all the brochures illustrate the image of getting away to wild quiet spots and the gentle freedom etc. The reality is most places will soon become like hysterical travellers camps at the current rate of decline, full of door slamming white stealth vans.

Also, can someone explain why people throw bags of dogshit to dangle in trees and bushes??

Happy little bunny ain't I

I don't think they throw the little bags of dog crap, they put them there quite deliberately.

When I asked on a local FB group why morons were shovelling their dog's poo into little bags and hanging them from trees, hedges, fences and style gate catches instead of just flicking the poo off of the footpaths to decay as nature intended, it became apparent that they don't consider it moronic because they are saving the planet, innit?

Apparently the only moronic aspect, and the reason they have to hang the little bags from trees in the first place, is that the council don't put any poo bag bins in the countryside!!!

I sometimes despair for the future of the human race with brains like that at work!

 

[bigtree]

That's simply part of the countryside .

Well thats the first campsite I have had that problem, I'm not a woose but it was disgusting. Virtually impossible to not walk it into the van.

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[tonyidle]

Well thats the first campsite I have had that problem, I'm not a woose but it was disgusting. Virtually impossible to not walk it into the van.

You may have been camped in a roosting area. We've been coming here at least once per year for the last 15 years using their rally pitches and I've never seen goose droppings let alone trodden in them. I'm aware that a lot of Canada geese call in but not in the area we're using. Having said that a site with a number of fishing ponds and plenty of "wild" areas is going to attract wildlife.

 

[7735]

Well, you’ve just kyboshed that then, now it’s on the radar



Actually the site I mentioned was Smedmore House Kimmeridge which I love, but not wreathed in smoke, accompanied by someone trying to impress everyone else in ear shot with their overly loud phone calls and radios etc.

I forgot to mention the latest torture...
I found my perfect site about a month ago, just an hour’s drive from home, lots of beautiful walks from site, lovely private owner, no facilities, really quiet and immaculately kept and absolutely tons of room. I had about four days of bliss and recuperation here when all of a sudden, a noise like a dentist’s drill suddenly erupted. I could not source it, it seemed to come from everywhere, and then I realised what it was.
A sodding drone! It whizzed about for about fifteen minutes here there everywhere like robotic wasp. These things are coming down in price and will be everywhere before we know it, perfect for arsholes to disrupt the unsuspecting.

In fact, I think that may have been the last straw for me, I think I realised in that moment that the days of peace and quiet are probably gone forever now. There will always be some prick with a bit of tech that can screw it up, you know like a jet ski up a quiet stretch of river. Nobody seems to value the precious environment the countryside is anymore, certainly not the lycra clad extreme off road mountain bike idiots that suddenly thundered past us on the private farm track at Damage Barton a few months back, big sweaty blokes smothered in extremeness.
Christ knows how they got onto it.

It's all changed so much over the recent past, all the brochures illustrate the image of getting away to wild quiet spots and the gentle freedom etc. The reality is most places will soon become like hysterical travellers camps at the current rate of decline, full of door slamming white stealth vans.

Also, can someone explain why people throw bags of dogshit to dangle in trees and bushes??

Happy little bunny ain't I

I’m just waiting for one of those drones to come over our clay shooting ground??

 

[Mickthemove]

Going back to an earlier post about cost of motorhoming, over the last 10 years i have spent approx 3 to 4 weeks on holiday in France, touring and staying in hotels etc and the average spend was about 300 Euros per day in total (ferries, fuel, hotels and entertaining etc the whole shebang), this year, my first year of a motorhome, i have had 3 weeks in France and the all inclusive spend was about 150 Euros per day & the exchange rate was a disaster.......... so yes the prices are rising for everything motorhome related but so are prices in general, everything cost wise seems to be spiralling up but to me Motorhoming still appears to be good value (yep i appreciate i have ignored depreciation, but this malarky turns into a bit of a hobby so that don't count!). The only thing stopping the growth of business is affordability of the actual van. I was 50 before i could even afford to look at one!

 

[Theonlysue]

I think the high road tax coming in will make people rethink buying a new mh.
Campsites are money for old rope.
However you'll never get rich owning a cl.
MANGOFORTH , I got my first mortgage at 19.
A 1 bed flat in a cheap part of town,
40 mins walk to station to go to work.
I took my car off the road as I couldn't afford it. All my furniture was 2nd hand or free. In winter I slept in the lounge, so didn't need to heat a bedroom.
I didn't go out, friends could visit me any time. No phone.no credit cards.
You make choices, cant have everything.
Am now reaping the benefits.

 

[steve 6644]

I’m just waiting for one of those drones to come over our clay shooting ground??

Oh bliss, just to blast one of the poxy things to bits, Very satisfying

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[tacr2man]

You can still find unspoiled spots if you have the right motorhome

 

[The general]

I think the high road tax coming in will make people rethink buying a new mh.
Campsites are money for old rope.
However you'll never get rich owning a cl.
MANGOFORTH , I got my first mortgage at 19.
A 1 bed flat in a cheap part of town,
40 mins walk to station to go to work.
I took my car off the road as I couldn't afford it. All my furniture was 2nd hand or free. In winter I slept in the lounge, so didn't need to heat a bedroom.
I didn't go out, friends could visit me any time. No phone.no credit cards.
You make choices, cant have everything.
Am now reaping the benefits.

Also a good solid pension helps

 

[steve 6644]

You can still find unspoiled spots if you have the right motorhome

And screw them up like that prat. I bet anyone enjoying that place loved him and his dickheadmobile. He might have got away with it, if he had played Yintong as the backgrond music or the old benny hill track.
That video says it all...

Doomed!

 

[tacr2man]

And screw them up like that prat. I bet anyone enjoying that place loved him and his dickheadmobile. He might have got away with it, if he had played Yintong as the backgrond music or the old benny hill track.
That video says it all...

Doomed!

Are you Mr Angry from Twickenham , what screwing up did he do ? The vehicle he used has lower groundpressure then any motorhome you are likely to drive . I didnt see anything in what he did that was unsustainable , they were all public access roads . bit of the old green eyed monster I think . None intended

 

[MANGOFORTH]

, I got my first mortgage at 19.
A 1 bed flat in a cheap part of town,
40 mins walk to station to go to work.
I took my car off the road as I couldn't afford it. All my furniture was 2nd hand or free. In winter I slept in the lounge, so didn't need to heat a bedroom.
I didn't go out, friends could visit me any time. No phone.no credit cards.
You make choices, cant have everything.
Am now reaping the benefits.

Good for you, not sure why your saying it? I lived in a caravan on a farm to save up enough money for a deposit. My girlfriend was unable to work for several years, we lived off my wage. Never received a benefit in my life. We've all struggled ?‍ P.S I wasn't moaning. Only stating why I believe the market/future market, for brand new motorhomes may decline. Can someone confirm I'm not going mad ?

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[steve 6644]

Are you Mr Angry from Twickenham , what screwing up did he do ? The vehicle he used has lower groundpressure then any motorhome you are likely to drive . I didnt see anything in what he did that was unsustainable , they were all public access roads . bit of the old green eyed monster I think . None intended

Absolutely spot on, I was just indulging my inner bigot, but I don't get that whole macho truck off road motorhome four wheel drive mudbath thing that seems to be getting popular.

 

[steve 6644]

Good for you, not sure why your saying it? I lived in a caravan on a farm to save up enough money for a deposit. My girlfriend was unable to work for several years, we lived off my wage. Never received a benefit in my life. We've all struggled ?‍ P.S I wasn't moaning. Only stating why I believe the market/future market, for brand new motorhomes may decline. Can someone confirm I'm not going mad ?

You seem quite sane to me...Baaaaa

 

[Minxy]

... anyone from an older generation that cannot see how things are, are obviously blinded due to having their head up their @*!#

Nah, their heads would be way too big to get up there!

Seriously though, everyone has to cut their cloth according to their means. We had to when we purchased our first home in 1981, we saved hard just to get a minimum deposit, then the building society we were saving with who had told us that if we did that we'd be qualify for a mortgage said we couldn't even apply! We eventually got one with the help from someone else who's property we were looking at buying as she had arranged for her bank to consider giving a potential buyer a mortgage, unfortunately for her they turned down a mortgage on her property due to it having issues which were found on the survey BUT they were happy for us to have a mortgage on another property thank goodness!

There weren't any of these cheap mortgage deals that there are now, you needed at minimum a 10% deposit and the interest rates were eye-watering! Not long after we bought our first house the rate went up to over 14% on a repayment mortgage, not just interest, how we managed I simply do not know. We had no phone, no car, and a black and white telly (cheaper licence than colour) and had to scrimp and save every single penny, even now I still recall us having a book in which we wrote our expenses each week so we could keep a track of costs and expenditure.

As for buying a house now, there ARE still cheaper ones but maybe not in the place/of the type you really would like ... we had to build up to what we have over the years, doing up places ourselves, we simply couldn't afford to buy ones that didn't need work.

The same was true with motorhomes, we started with an old camper which needed extensive work then converted an old ambulance, before buying our first 'proper' motorhome (second hand).

If younger people are willing to compromise, work hard, save hard, do without some so-called 'vital' stuff they can also afford homes and motorhomes ... the question is will they? Unfortunately some people (young AND old) think nothing about spending £30+ a month on a phone, buying branded clothing, new cars, having posh coffees & nights out every week etc but then moan that they can't afford to buy a home, a motorhome, or other items ... it's all about priorities ... if they won't curb their spending on bits and bobs then unless they are on a high wage something has to give.

 

[MANGOFORTH]

Average wage in 1980 was £5500, average house price £22500.

Average wage today is £29000, average house price £230000.

And self certified mortgages aren't a thing anymore.

 

[jongood]

Average wage in 1980 was £5500, average house price £22500.

Average wage today is £29000, average house price £230000.

And self certified mortgages aren't a thing anymore.

The loss of the self cert mortgage is madness, another bit of 'nanny state'gone too far

When we were young we used our common sense and self cert mortgages to buy houses and make business investments. yes we paid high rates and fees etc but we knew what we were going into and most people got it right.

Young people these days are scared to leave PAYE because they would not be able to get/re mortgage.

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[Ivory55]

May be a lot of people had a good earn by going bust then starting up again with all debts wiped out.

 

[jongood]

May be a lot of people had a good earn by going bust then starting up again with all debts wiped out.

It was easy if you were limited back then but not viable for private individuals because your secured asset would be repossessed and you wouldnt get credit to buy another one, basically you had to be a responsible for yourself.

 

[MANGOFORTH]

Hit the nail on the head about being self employed. 3 years solid books is barely enough. And regarding debt. Were credit checks a thing back then? Again, I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone. We have all done our slog. I'm not trying to say older folk had it easy, and we have it hard. I think it was easy to be poorer back in the day, and easier to remain stagnant today.

 

[Minxy]

Average wage in 1980 was £5500, average house price £22500.

Average wage today is £29000, average house price £230000.

And self certified mortgages aren't a thing anymore.

Ah, the wonderful statistics that are often quoted ... having studied how the data is gathered and statistics produced as part of my University course, seeing how they can be manipulated in numerous ways to get the 'result' they want, I put very little trust in any that are given by anyone.

When I see the lovely Kirsty and Phil's Location programme and they start quoting the stats on how dear/cheap an area is compared to another it makes my blood boil as it's pretty meaningless as there are so many variables that come into play!

It may well be that the wage to house price ratio is different BUT that doesn't take into account the very, very high interest charges in order to buy a house back in the 1980s/90s, probably 3-4 times what they are now which likely kept the house prices down as very few could actually afford to pay a mortgage on them, assuming they could get one in the first place.

 

[jongood]

Hit the nail on the head about being self employed. 3 years solid books is barely enough. And regarding debt. Were credit checks a thing back then? Again, I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone. We have all done our slog. I'm not trying to say older folk had it easy, and we have it hard. I think it was easy to be poorer back in the day, and easier to remain stagnant today.

Oh it was much harder to get credit and the interest rates were eyewatering.

at 18 years old I had a current account and was allowed a cheque book but no guarantee card and don't even ask for a credit card.

At age 25 1987 ( just before black wednesday) I took out a fixed rate mortgage on a very small industrial unit ( 1000sqft?) at 12.5% secured against a life insurance policy and the building ( this was the cheapest deal available ).

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