Fiat's New Automatic (9 speed with Torque Converter)

[Deneb]

hopefully fixed this issue by then

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So they're not going to rectify it by installing sufficient crimps to the harness, just write their way around it with software

 

[joka250]

So they're not going to rectify it by installing sufficient crimps to the harness, just write their way around it with software

Information I have is that all versions of this gearbox (there are many) were sorted on all post 2015 production, with both hardware and software mods.

 

[MyrtleGuru]

Nothing wrong with a good old Sturmey Archer,
Unlike a DSG box they don’t need an expensive oil change every couple of years.?

Ah yes, I've had a few SA hub gears over the years. My Brompton is old enough to have a British Sturmey Archer hub. After nearly a century in business they went bust in 2000 due to some iffy financial shenanigans (involving the Yanks, I think). So the SA designs were bought by the Taiwanese (Sun Race).

 

[EuroTrotters]

Back in the day we had Mercedes Sprinter 2.7s with the Sprintshift (similar to comfortmatic)gearbox which I quite liked but, there was an issue with the auto mode when driving hard as we often were.
It would decide to change gear mid corner under power when grip was essential & gravity reared its ugly head, this was closely followed by the vehicle swapping ends surprising the crap out of the unwary, I was passenger in one which pulled this stunt, 5 tonnes of Mercedes getting very friendly with the scenery, change nappy & carry on.

Crap gearbox

 

[EuroTrotters]

It’s all getting too complicated for my tiny brain. Think I’ll stick to the derailleur on my push bike, then again they’ve now complicated that with electric shifters :-(

Have they ?

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[MyrtleGuru]

Have they ?

Sadly, yes:

7 reasons why you should get electronic shifting

The advantages of ditching mechanical shifting and going electronic

road.cc

 

[CazPaul]

Nothing wrong with a good old Sturmey Archer,
Unlike a DSG box they don’t need an expensive oil change every couple of years.?

yes aren't the Sturmeys great, just got one from the tip and all works perfect after well over 30 years.

 

[CazPaul]

Ah yes, I've had a few SA hub gears over the years. My Brompton is old enough to have a British Sturmey Archer hub. After nearly a century in business they went bust in 2000 due to some iffy financial shenanigans (involving the Yanks, I think). So the SA designs were bought by the Taiwanese (Sun Race).

The older ones before and up to 1988 were wonderful, with the oil filler ports on the hub, I know someone with a 1950s one and it's still as good as ever

 

[MyrtleGuru]

The older ones before and up to 1988 were wonderful, with the oil filler ports on the hub, I know someone with a 1950s one and it's still as good as ever

Yes, the old ones seem to be bomb-proof.

 

[CazPaul]

Yes, the old ones seem to be bomb-proof.

Agree, I just bought this last week from the tip,
A bit rusty but works a treat, all gears perfect, my treat for Caz. Last of the old style ones with the oil filler cap on the hub.

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[Hymer Life]

Totally agree with DuxDeluxe. ZF Auto gearbox are Tops?????
DJT

Fitted to Range Rovers (and Morelo's too)

 

[Lenny HB]

hopefully fixed this issue by then

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Says it's only on certain boxes Fiat not in the list.

 

[Lenny HB]

I think the Ducato is in need of modernisation. The dashboard is from another time,

Looks a lot better than the awful dash on the lastest Sprinters the centre pod screen looks like a stuck on afterthought.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Says it's only on certain boxes Fiat not in the list.

Fiats don’t have it yet !

 

[Deneb]

Fiats don’t have it yet !

A member posted on the tax thread recently, who had taken delivery of a new Wildax PVC with the 9-speed auto last month.

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[Lenny HB]

Fiats don’t have it yet !

Plenty of them at Caravan Salon at Dusseldofe last September.

 

[BobtheBass]

Plenty for sale at Becks.

 

[EuroTrotters]

A member posted on the tax thread recently, who had taken delivery of a new Wildax PVC with the 9-speed auto last month.

Just released, the box will have been fixed / modified by now.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Plenty of them at Caravan Salon at Dusseldofe last September.

See above post.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Also, did not show as being available on uk vans until later this year (commercials).

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[DDJC]

We love our freedom bus and don't want to change it. The comfortmatic is mostly OK, but does occasionally choose the wrong gear. Usually, on an alpine hill, towing, in a head wind, bit of snow and pillocky Swiss 'drivers', trying to overtake on a blind corner.

So....... how much to retrofit the ZF automatic gearbox? (ducks behind parapet)

 

[joka250]

We love our freedom bus and don't want to change it. The comfortmatic is mostly OK, but does occasionally choose the wrong gear. Usually, on an alpine hill, towing, in a head wind, bit of snow and pillocky Swiss 'drivers', trying to overtake on a blind corner.

So....... how much to retrofit the ZF automatic gearbox? (ducks behind parapet)

2 possible answers either not possible or incredibly expensive. My proffered answer is not possible but I bet someone will claim different.

 

[C33JAY]

I took delivery of our MH with the New 9 Speed Auto box at the beginning of March and unfortunately because of the current situation ive done no miles at all, but the few I have done along a Motorway and around small hilly country lanes its a joy to drive, the gear change is unnoticeable even better than my VW 7 speed DSG box which was great.
And unlike VW Fiat managed to put the gear change on the correct side of the gear stick so you can see it rofl

 

[dodfloss]

Hi C33jay, I’m looking to buy new camper when all is back to normal as can be.! I have be Kombi dsg 7 speed and I love for work and pleasure. So I was concerned about buying a new AdriaSupreme with the new 9 speed automatic , believing nothing would be as good as the vw kombi auto, so it was helpful reading your comments on the 9 speed auto.

 

[Rob Turner]

Hi C33jay, I’m looking to buy new camper when all is back to normal as can be.! I have be Kombi dsg 7 speed and I love for work and pleasure. So I was concerned about buying a new AdriaSupreme with the new 9 speed automatic , believing nothing would be as good as the vw kombi auto, so it was helpful reading your comments on the 9 speed auto.

The DSG and the old Fiat Comfortmatic are manual gearboxes with a clutch and a robotised change.

The new 9 speed is a fully automatic (torque converter) so the changes will be flawless and less noticeable.

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[dodfloss]

Hi Rob, thanks for reply. I am not mechanical minded in any way, but do enjoy driving and like my comforts when behind the wheel. Well the new 9 speed should great only time will tell how reliable it will be. I was told the dog had problems when it first years. Once again thanks for your reply. Regards Danny

 

[dodfloss]

Dsg I mean not dog !!

 

[DDJC]

2 possible answers either not possible or incredibly expensive. My proffered answer is not possible but I bet someone will claim different.

Just had the wonderful guys at Northern Commercials on the blower and the answer is a bit of both.

Although technically possible, it would mean significant changes to the electronics of the vehicle, and Fiat don't like people messing around with the ECU and other key components. In fact there seem to be several Fiat based restrictions that would lean towards it not being possible. Either way, if these difficulties could be overcome, they reckon you wouldn't get change out of ten grand.

So, I'll stick with the comfortmatic. Coupled with the 150 engine, its mostly fine for us.

 

[SuperMike]

Nothing wrong with a good old Sturmey Archer,
Unlike a DSG box they don’t need an expensive oil change every couple of years.?

Indeed I had a four speed SA, many years ago. My current bike is an 8 speed Nexus, they have come a long way.

 

[2dandaddy]

Mmmh! Nexus hub! On a Raleigh Motus Grand Tourer! Feeling quite giddy!!! Braw bikes though! Almost makes cycling pleasurable!

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