EU driver slapped with London emissions fines totalling £25,000

[RobertJary]

EVs are not exempt from London's Congestion Charge.

Sorry, you’re wrong. EVs are exempt from the London Congestion Charge.

 

[RobertJary]

& Bath is even worse.

If you think Bath is bad, best not even think about going to Bristol.

 

[Northernraider]

If you think Bath is bad, best not even think about going to Bristol.

I got a penalty notice for driving in a bus lane in Bristol as I had planned to turn in to the park n ride only to be faced with a height barrier so had to continue along the bus lane for 100 yards . They sent a fine but I successfully got it cancelled after a good bit arguing with them.

Poor signage and an expectation of strangers to the city having a clue how their stupid lanes work.

 

[enark]

I suppose that the easy answer is drive an EV and don't speed

Unlikely to drive an EV MH?

 

[Odd-no-more]

Sorry, you’re wrong. EVs are exempt from the London Congestion Charge.

EV's are not exempt, it's possible to apply for a discount of 100% those will continue until 2025. The discount must be applied for before travelling so not much use for an occasional visitor who may not know about the scheme but think they are exempt until the tax bill arrives in the post.

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[Funnymunny]

Until people make a stand and say enough then the tuppeny halfpenny poloticians will go on finding ways to squeeze every possible penny out of the motorist and forcing them off the roads. Cars are an essential part of modern life, shops, schools and workplaces are mainly only accessible using cars as public transport is either just not available or far too expensive

 

[The Wino]

Until people make a stand and say enough then the tuppeny halfpenny poloticians will go on finding ways to squeeze every possible penny out of the motorist and forcing them off the roads. Cars are an essential part of modern life, shops, schools and workplaces are mainly only accessible using cars as public transport is either just not available or far too expensive

Why so different in other countries? Public transport often very efficient and cheap.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Thought it was quite easy. Hit a person at 20 mph they are more likely to survive.

Edit. Rather than a higher speed.

Depends on the shape of the car and the size of the person.

If you had been driving at 40 they would step into the road behind you.
So you would have missed them completely.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Why so different in other countries? Public transport often very efficient and cheap.

Because we have a bunch of knob heads running important stuff maybe

 

[The Wino]

Because we have a bunch of knob heads running important stuff maybe

Or we don't pay enough taxes to support it?

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[jongood]

I think if you're caught by a fixed camera you need your eyesight tested.

It depends where you are, If you re in an area that you re familiar with and know where you re going then yes I would mostly agree but if you re in an unfamiliar area ( or country) with a lot of signage then its pretty easy to miss one. I find the LEZ signage confusing because it starts from so far out and I'm not local so I need to look at roadsigns and navigation device as well. I'm clearly not the only one or we wouldnt be having this conversation.

Have you driven in London lately? Many many cameras, many many roads with access at certain times and fine at other times,box junctions where you can't see the exit as you enter but if it's blocked you get a fine.

London is awful these days, and a big part of the problem is agressive cycling or E scootering

You find me one of where a pedestrian or cyclists killed a motorist.

It doesnt work quite like that, I could find you several where Cyclists have severely injured and even killed pedestrians.

yes here the escooters are not allowed on pavements.
they are subject to the same laws as any type of vehicle even though at present they do not require a licence insurance or tax although they do in madrid & Barc & Trafico are working on a way to get them all registered, taxed & insured.

Funnily enough I was in Seville in January when I saw the aftermath of a collision where an E scooterist was riding through a pedestrian area and collided with a pedestrian, injuring both of them, the Spanish situation looks worse than ours where E scooterists are weaving through moving traffic. There must be a lot of injuries.

 

[jongood]

Why so different in other countries? Public transport often very efficient and cheap.

And paring that is usually free. tbf I think its a space issue, France Spain bothe have smaller populations in a much bigger space and I think the ratio in Germany is also more generous. But then the vast majority of us squeeze into the areas served by motorways and usable PT.

 

[The Wino]

And paring that is usually free. tbf I think its a space issue, France Spain bothe have smaller populations in a much bigger space and I think the ratio in Germany is also more generous. But then the vast majority of us squeeze into the areas served by motorways and usable PT.

Did you look at the tax take though asea proportion of GDP. If we want good public transport and good public services maybe that's where we need to be

 

[Northernraider]

Why so different in other countries? Public transport often very efficient and cheap.

I can only assume its because they have better governments or citizens with more backbone who don't stand by and let the government remove all their power.

They've made it harder to protest. Harder to vote and now want to make it harder to strike.. and the sad thing is they have the backing of a majority of sheep

So why do they need to do anything different, brits just complain but in the end they just accept it

 

[Northernraider]

Did you look at the tax take though asea proportion of GDP. If we want good public transport and good public services maybe that's where we need to be

That's what the government want you to believe.

They found the money for hs2. And the money to give to their mates for ppe etc, the current clown in charges wife does business with Russia lol .

If we want good services and save the NHS etc the answer is simple

People in England need to drop the tory/Labour debate grow up and elect a different party for a change. Until they do the country is going to continue on its downward spiral to hell . Taking the other 3 nations with it.

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[Odd-no-more]

That's what the government want you to believe.

They found the money for hs2. And the money to give to their mates for ppe etc, the current clown in charges wife does business with Russia lol .

If we want good services and save the NHS etc the answer is simple

People in England need to drop the tory/Labour debate grow up and elect a different party for a change. Until they do the country is going to continue on its downward spiral to hell . Taking the other 3 nations with it.

It's not possible to elect any others, the political system is set up by the politicians to serve the politicians. Our choice is one bunch of Muppets or the other bunch of Muppets.

 

[The Wino]

That's what the government want you to believe.

They found the money for hs2. And the money to give to their mates for ppe etc, the current clown in charges wife does business with Russia lol .

If we want good services and save the NHS etc the answer is simple

People in England need to drop the tory/Labour debate grow up and elect a different party for a change. Until they do the country is going to continue on its downward spiral to hell . Taking the other 3 nations with it.

What party then with what policies?. The table I posted showed the total tax take for lots of countries the ones with good care systems good public transport a good pension etc are all higher taxed than the UK the ones with lower tax are all worse for all those things. I think people need an honest discussion about that and to take an honest choice. I do think both parties at the moment won't have that open discussion as the public aren't able to accept that choice they want it both ways

 

[Northernraider]

What party then with what policies?. The table I posted showed the total tax take for lots of countries the ones with good care systems good public transport a good pension etc are all higher taxed than the UK the ones with lower tax are all worse for all those things. I think people need an honest discussion about that and to take an honest choice. I do think both parties at the moment won't have that open discussion as the public aren't able to accept that choice they want it both ways

They are also most likely better paid.

But I don't live in England I can't tell you what party to vote for. I'm Scottish and right now like most of my countrymen we vote for the only party that's likely to take us away from the corrupt self serving establishment of Westminster.

Personally until England stops just complaining and actually starts rioting and removing the whole corrupt bunch of gits from office I can't see it ever getting any better.

There's plenty of money in government it's been proved by the millions squandered or given to their pals. You just need a party more interested in equality than pandering to the wealthy.

 

[Northernraider]

It's not possible to elect any others, the political system is set up by the politicians to serve the politicians. Our choice is one bunch of Muppets or the other bunch of Muppets.

Then rioting and anarchy may be in order. But when groups cause disruption and chaos or people strike you get a load of folk complaining lol

That's Britain for you , blame the immigrants coming on rubber boats and ignore the millionares , billionares screwing the tax payer every single day.

 

[The Wino]

They are also most likely better paid.

But I don't live in England I can't tell you what party to vote for. I'm Scottish and right now like most of my countrymen we vote for the only party that's likely to take us away from the corrupt self serving establishment of Westminster.

Personally until England stops just complaining and actually starts rioting and removing the whole corrupt bunch of gits from office I can't see it ever getting any better.

There's plenty of money in government it's been proved by the millions squandered or given to their pals. You just need a party more interested in equality than pandering to the wealthy.

I agree a bit with the last paragraph but if we are to have good public transport good health and social care it's going to take more than stopping tax breaks for rich people. What I don't get is the people on relatively low incomes that get sold the policies to make rich people richer they must be daft!

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[Coolcats]

Self made wealth is a good thing, the individual may have created a company that employes others, I have seen a couple of mates do this and they treat those around them like family. This includes an understanding of childcare etc so working within those companies you can see a joyful workforce and the all benefit.

 

[The Wino]

Self made wealth is a good thing, the individual may have created a company that employes others, I have seen a couple of mates do this and they treat those around them like family. This includes an understanding of childcare etc so working within those companies you can see a joyful workforce and the all benefit.

I totally agree that self made wealth is a good thing it's taxation on that that funds our public services. But for every employer like your mates there are a lot who's only interest is paying as little as possible to their employees often on min hours contracts. Giving well off people tax breaks in the hope they will treat their employees better is optimistic at best. Countries that have higher taxation and better public services aren't all basket case economies in fact at the moment we are forecast to do worse than most of them it sort of shows that the idea we need low taxes to stimulate the economy isn't true. When we were in buisness we hadra choice either compete on price by being the cheapest ( in which case the moment someone down the road is cheaper all your trade dissapears) or try to offer the best service. We did the second and did better every year despite the increase in multiples like Specsavers and Asda. As a country I fear we're headed towards trying to be the cheapest on tax which means in the end a less well educated happy healthy and productive workforce the opposite of a high skill high wage economy.

 

[ctc]

They are also most likely better paid.

But I don't live in England I can't tell you what party to vote for. I'm Scottish and right now like most of my countrymen we vote for the only party that's likely to take us away from the corrupt self serving establishment of Westminster.

Personally until England stops just complaining and actually starts rioting and removing the whole corrupt bunch of gits from office I can't see it ever getting any better.

There's plenty of money in government it's been proved by the millions squandered or given to their pals. You just need a party more interested in equality than pandering to the wealthy.

Lucky you.

 

[ctc]

That assumes the signage is adequate or you know the road layout well. Often there is a plethora of signage and markings which is confusing or distracting, or the road markings are too worn to read especially in the dark or wet. It is easy to go through a badly signed bus gate which will get you a FPC for being in a bus lane. These are strict liability offences, that place simplicity of administration above fairness. To generate cash for Councils.

Councils don't get the money, it goes straight to the treasury then to hancocks sister.

 

[Silver-Fox]

Or we don't pay enough taxes to support it?

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Nope, no matter how much you throw at something, if it’s run by incompetent people it will always be a crap service.

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[gus-lopez]

Sorry, you’re wrong. EVs are exempt from the London Congestion Charge.

They aren't 'exempt' they are required to register for the clean air disciount the same as I as a foregner have to register. It is scamming & discrimination & the UK should not use anprvia dvla but require Everyone to have to register like in most sensible countries.

then the tuppeny halfpenny poloticians will go on finding ways to squeeze every possible penny out of the motorist and forcing them off the roads.

I watched a video last night of khan refusing to even speak with cyclist boters of his whilst bodyguards escorted him to his armour plated 300k range rover .the ignorant **** should be walking.

the Spanish situation looks worse than ours where E scooterists are weaving through moving traffic.

Around here they tend to stick to the correct metyhod & overtake on the outside, unlike the riders of scooters who swop froms side to side.

 

[The Wino]

Nope, no matter how much you throw at something, if it’s run by incompetent people it will always be a crap service.

But if you have crap funding even the best run service will be poor. None of the politicians are honest on that

 

[SpeedyDux]

Sorry, you’re wrong. EVs are exempt from the London Congestion Charge.

OK, I was slightly premature. However, From 25 December 2025, the Cleaner Vehicle discount will end, meaning all electric vehicles – including pure battery electric vehicles – will no longer be exempt, and EV drivers will have to pay the congestion charge.

The underlying purpose remains to deter private car ownership, and eventually reach the nirvana of Car-Free Urbanism.

Likewise, other major cities. Paris, for example. A crusade by Anne Hidalgo the Mayor of Paris, who also included the 15-minute City in her latest election manifesto. This has all kinds of unintended consequences not necessarily beneficial for businesses and disadvantaged poor and vulnerable citizens. Fine for younger fitter cyclists. E-bikes good, e-scooters to be banned. Bad for suburbs where there are fewer essential shops etc within a 15 minute walk.

 

[Northernraider]

What I don't get is the people on relatively low incomes that get sold the policies to make rich people richer they must be daft!

It's how they sell it .

They've spent lots of time doing an Adolf Hitler approach and telling people it's immigrants etc that's to blame for their hard times. It's the poor on benefits , the homeless , the striking NHS staff etc .

It's absolutely not the scum skimming the cream off the top they're just trying to help the poor stupid working class people. The party that claims to be for the working class is led by other wealthy private educated buffoons.

The day the North East started voting tory after the decades of devastation they had wreaked on them by the previous tories I lost any hope in the UK


It seems they have short memories, thankfully we scots have good memories and can hold a grudge . There will never be an elected tory government in Holyrood and its unlikely there will be another Labour one for many years to come

 

[SpeedyDux]

Councils don't get the money, it goes straight to the treasury then to hancocks sister.

I thought Fixed Penalty Charges based on contravention of Traffic Regulation Orders are a Council revenue thing and a civil matter. Not to be confused with fixed penalties enforced by other kinds of authority e.g. Police.

"Parking fines

Legislation requires that money from parking fines is used to cover the cost of operating the civil parking enforcement service, with any surplus invested in traffic improvement projects."

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