Electric Motorhomes at Scale, Can't be Far Away Now.

[Guigsy]

So what? Every ICE purchased means somewhere another vehicle is being scrapped. That's the way it works.

Because ICE cars spew out CO2 and pollutants. EVs are not a total solution, but they are significantly better. And they're cheaper to run.

 

[nicholsong]

If I were going to worry aboutt the emissions of my MH over 4-5,000 miles a year maybe I should have not taken a job flying Boeing 737s which burn 2.5t of kerosene p.h. for hundreds of hours p.a.

 

[Guigsy]

If I were going to worry aboutt the emissions of my MH over 4-5,000 miles a year maybe I should have not taken a job flying Boeing 737s which burn 2.5t of kerosene p.h. for hundreds of hours p.a.

I don't think a low carbon future is going to look that much different from now... except planes. There's not a good renewable solution to power flight.

Anyone that claims to be environmentally aware, but then flies several times a year is lying.

 

[Blaydon]

I don't think a low carbon future is going to look that much different from now... except planes. There's not a good renewable solution to power flight.

Anyone that claims to be environmentally aware, but then flies several times a year is lying.

Something the LEZ did not take into consideration when they included Motorhomes, was that generally those who have a Motorhome in London drive them off for their holiday rather than to an airport so they can dump a load of CO2 on the capital as they fly off.
Another key area for consideration is shipping. Because shipping is international it is hard to get agreement on restrictions on emissions from ships that have some of the dirtiest engines on the planet. All those heavy metals and batteries that are shipped around the world are move by these filthy ships.
Still it’s ok, as I pay my ULEZ fee if I drive the three miles to my house from Dartford

 

[Guigsy]

Something the LEZ did not take into consideration when they included Motorhomes, was that generally those who have a Motorhome in London drive them off for their holiday rather than to an airport so they can dump a load of CO2 on the capital as they fly off.
Another key area for consideration is shipping. Because shipping is international it is hard to get agreement on restrictions on emissions from ships that have some of the dirtiest engines on the planet. All those heavy metals and batteries that are shipped around the world are move by these filthy ships.
Still it’s ok, as I pay my ULEZ fee if I drive the three miles to my house from Dartford

Low emission zones are not about global warming. It's about local air quality.

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[enark]

Low emission zones are not about global warming. It's about local air quality.

As if, its about money….

 

[Barriesimpson]

As if, its about money….

Exactly.

 

[Guigsy]

As if, its about money….

Why didn't they make it a congestion charge then? It would have made far more money.

 

[CazPaul]

I don't think a low carbon future is going to look that much different from now... except planes. There's not a good renewable solution to power flight.

Anyone that claims to be environmentally aware, but then flies several times a year is lying.

I know someone at work who cycles in, says to me that because I run a diesel Motorhome I’m selfish and not responsible.

 

[Terry]

From China !
Farizon, the commercial branch of Geely group (home to Volvo, Lotus, and Polestar) has teamed up with mobility solutions provider Jameel Motors, to bring a new electric van to the UK in 2025.

It’s called the Farizon SV, which is short for Supervan, but you won’t find the same mythical GT40 chassis or F1 engine inclusions associated with its erratic Ford namesake here. No, this is shaping up to be a far more grounded commercial offering — although that’s not to say there aren’t some lofty ambitions behind the Chinese brand’s forward thinking zero-emissions van.

“The Farizon SV was developed for the van users and fleets of today and tomorrow, and several world-first advanced technologies means it offers more cargo space, greater range and a more convenient and comfortable driver experience.” — Andy Carroll, Country Manager, Jameel Motors Farizon Auto

On the outside​

Looks-wise, the SV is a little bit retro-futuristic. Its minimally-grilled face is reminiscent of Kia’s upcoming PV5, minus the Korean EV’s hyper-modern, playful elements — and the panda-esque black and white colour scheme does little to draw away from this perception.

The staggered shelving of the front bumper is there, although in this case the layers are slightly less smooth and sculpted. This angularity gives a more aggressive feel to the façade, and this is only enhanced by the basic, yet slim and swooping headlights. Finally, the wheel covers may have a different twist to their orientation, but the echoes of Kia’s concept still run pretty deep there too.

Three lengths and heights will be available from launch: L1, L2, and L3, as well as H1, H2, and H3.
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However, rub your eyes and blink, and the SV’s overall silhouette reminds us of another popular van. The most popular in fact: the Ford Transit Custom. And to be honest, emulating the UK’s best-selling van does make a lot of sense, especially considering that the electric variant will shape up as a key rival once Farizon’s offering hits the market.

Beneath the surface​

Despite these external similarities, the SV has, in fact, been built from scratch — which is becoming an increasingly novel approach (case in point: the mildly controversial 2025 VW Transporter). Farizon boasts that over 2,000 engineers started with a clean sheet, harnessing advanced tech as part of ‘a rigorous one-million-mile testing and development programme’, to create a van specifically designed to meet the needs of the European market.

On paper, this hard work seems to have paid off, with the SV’s bespoke ‘born electric’ modular platform bringing a handful of benefits.

Some neat integration has allowed battery capacity to be upped by 10%, and weight to simultaneously be reduced by 4%. This means that of the two battery sizes which will be initially available — 67 kwh and 83 kwh — the latter will be able to squeeze out a range up to 225 miles. That’s 16 further than the E-Transit Custom, and if that’s still not enough to quell any range anxiety, a 106-kwh will join the party at a later date to boost these figures further.

Few cabin details have been confirmed, however the digital cluster and infotainment screen are surrounded by a stripped back looking interior.
Image credit: Newspress UK
Further weight reductions throughout the platform are touted as shaving 8% off the vans potential weight, not only increasing efficiency, but allowing for a higher payload of up to 1.3 tonnes.

And there’s more. As a purpose-built EV, the zero-emissions powertrain is packaged in such a way as to not impede the load capacity or loading height. Using the flexibility of the modular platform, the SV’s cargo capacity ranges from 6.9m3 all the way up to a respectable 13m3 — not only out-carrying the E-Transit Custom’s 6.8m3 peak, but also stepping into full-blown E-Transit territory, coming within touching distance of the big Ford’s 15.1m3 limits.

No UK pricing has been announced as of yet, but as a market disrupter we’d expect some undercutting of the SV’s rivals to be on the cards. We’ll also withhold a final judgement until the full specs are revealed, but there does seem to be some potential — and some impressive utility — within Farizon’s ambitious UK bound electric Supervan

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[Blaydon]

Low emission zones are not about global warming. It's about local air quality.

If it was really about air quality or the environment, vehicles who were below the required standards would be banned rather than billed.

 

[Guigsy]

If it was really about air quality or the environment, vehicles who were below the required standards would be banned rather than billed.

When they charge hundreds for a motorhome, it's effectively a ban and you pay for the misdemeanor.

 

[Guigsy]

From China !
Farizon, the commercial branch of Geely group (home to Volvo, Lotus, and Polestar) has teamed up with mobility solutions provider Jameel Motors, to bring a new electric van to the UK in 2025.

It’s called the Farizon SV, which is short for Supervan, but you won’t find the same mythical GT40 chassis or F1 engine inclusions associated with its erratic Ford namesake here. No, this is shaping up to be a far more grounded commercial offering — although that’s not to say there aren’t some lofty ambitions behind the Chinese brand’s forward thinking zero-emissions van.

On the outside​

Looks-wise, the SV is a little bit retro-futuristic. Its minimally-grilled face is reminiscent of Kia’s upcoming PV5, minus the Korean EV’s hyper-modern, playful elements — and the panda-esque black and white colour scheme does little to draw away from this perception.

The staggered shelving of the front bumper is there, although in this case the layers are slightly less smooth and sculpted. This angularity gives a more aggressive feel to the façade, and this is only enhanced by the basic, yet slim and swooping headlights. Finally, the wheel covers may have a different twist to their orientation, but the echoes of Kia’s concept still run pretty deep there too.

Three lengths and heights will be available from launch: L1, L2, and L3, as well as H1, H2, and H3.
Image credit: Newspress UK

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However, rub your eyes and blink, and the SV’s overall silhouette reminds us of another popular van. The most popular in fact: the Ford Transit Custom. And to be honest, emulating the UK’s best-selling van does make a lot of sense, especially considering that the electric variant will shape up as a key rival once Farizon’s offering hits the market.

Beneath the surface​

Despite these external similarities, the SV has, in fact, been built from scratch — which is becoming an increasingly novel approach (case in point: the mildly controversial 2025 VW Transporter). Farizon boasts that over 2,000 engineers started with a clean sheet, harnessing advanced tech as part of ‘a rigorous one-million-mile testing and development programme’, to create a van specifically designed to meet the needs of the European market.

On paper, this hard work seems to have paid off, with the SV’s bespoke ‘born electric’ modular platform bringing a handful of benefits.

Some neat integration has allowed battery capacity to be upped by 10%, and weight to simultaneously be reduced by 4%. This means that of the two battery sizes which will be initially available — 67 kwh and 83 kwh — the latter will be able to squeeze out a range up to 225 miles. That’s 16 further than the E-Transit Custom, and if that’s still not enough to quell any range anxiety, a 106-kwh will join the party at a later date to boost these figures further.

Few cabin details have been confirmed, however the digital cluster and infotainment screen are surrounded by a stripped back looking interior.
Image credit: Newspress UK
Further weight reductions throughout the platform are touted as shaving 8% off the vans potential weight, not only increasing efficiency, but allowing for a higher payload of up to 1.3 tonnes.

And there’s more. As a purpose-built EV, the zero-emissions powertrain is packaged in such a way as to not impede the load capacity or loading height. Using the flexibility of the modular platform, the SV’s cargo capacity ranges from 6.9m3 all the way up to a respectable 13m3 — not only out-carrying the E-Transit Custom’s 6.8m3 peak, but also stepping into full-blown E-Transit territory, coming within touching distance of the big Ford’s 15.1m3 limits.

No UK pricing has been announced as of yet, but as a market disrupter we’d expect some undercutting of the SV’s rivals to be on the cards. We’ll also withhold a final judgement until the full specs are revealed, but there does seem to be some potential — and some impressive utility — within Farizon’s ambitious UK bound electric Supervan

It looks like a Transporter sized van, which is the class down from the Ducato that motorhomes get built on.

 

[nicholsong]

Why didn't they make it a congestion charge then? It would have made far more money.

I do not think London could make more money than the extortionate rate of £300 pd for a few kgs over 3.5t for a non-compliant vehicle, so £600 to bring a MH in to your own house, owned before LEZ, for a night to load up for a holiday a long way from London.

 

[nicholsong]

If it was really about air quality or the environment, vehicles who were below the required standards would be banned rather than billed.

Like Germany.

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[AndyPK]

When they charge hundreds for a motorhome, it's effectively a ban and you pay for the misdemeanor.

Ooooooohhhhh - the temerity of owning a Motorhome!!
Off with their heads!!!!

 

[The Wino]

If it was really about air quality or the environment, vehicles who were below the required standards would be banned rather than billed.

That's a really good idea. Do you think that the people complaining about the lez would be keen?

 

[CAB96]

It looks like a Transporter sized van, which is the class down from the Ducato that motorhomes get built on.

But with the high roof, it approaches the volume of the big Transit and the Sevel range, so effectively in between?

 

[Guigsy]

I do not think London could make more money than the extortionate rate of £300 pd for a few kgs over 3.5t for a non-compliant vehicle, so £600 to bring a MH in to your own house, owned before LEZ, for a night to load up for a holiday a long way from London.

If nobody dares to bring their van in, then it's not going to make any money... because it's not about making money.

 

[Terry]

But with the high roof, it approaches the volume of the big Transit and the Sevel range, so effectively in between?

Looking at it I think it’s nearer a VW Transporter- having said that my mates recently sold his hi roof transporter that had a large loo/shower across the back

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[Blaydon]

If nobody dares to bring their van in, then it's not going to make any money... because it's not about making money.

Sorry to disagree but the ULEZ is all about money. Just like the CPZ around the stations. Our local council in outer London have said they could not function without the money they make from issuing fines. There is a box junction that has been put in, engineered to catch people with the camera just to make money. £70 a time. If it was to keep the junction free of traffic it would be about 3 feet to the right. It is part of a set of three traffic lights the are timed to catch people in the box.
Councils like Bromley and Bexley employ people to make them money from motorists.
The inner LEZ was about the environment but the extension of the ULEZ is all about ££$$€€

 

[EuroTrotters]

Exactly, never seen an EV police car.

My guess is they are some fictional cars in Musks imagination…..Holywood?

Electric ambulances and police cars in greater Manchester

 

[Guigsy]

Sorry to disagree but the ULEZ is all about money. Just like the CPZ around the stations. Our local council in outer London have said they could not function without the money they make from issuing fines. There is a box junction that has been put in, engineered to catch people with the camera just to make money. £70 a time. If it was to keep the junction free of traffic it would be about 3 feet to the right. It is part of a set of three traffic lights the are timed to catch people in the box.
Councils like Bromley and Bexley employ people to make them money from motorists.
The inner LEZ was about the environment but the extension of the ULEZ is all about ££$$€€

Box junction position and traffic light timing is tightly defined in the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges. There's not really any scope to play with the position or timing to make money.

 

[Blaydon]

Box junction position and traffic light timing is tightly defined in the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges. There's not really any scope to play with the position or timing to make money.

Clearly you have not been to Bromley near Shortlands station.

 

[enark]

Box junction position and traffic light timing is tightly defined in the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges. There's not really any scope to play with the position or timing to make money.

No. Traffic Signs Manual…chapter 6

DMRBis a NH document which covers motorways and strategic roads only.

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[nicholsong]

Box junction position and traffic light timing is tightly defined in the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges. There's not really any scope to play with the position or timing to make money.

So if one researches and finds that a particular box junction does not comply, then maybe it is grounds to challenge any fine related to it.

 

[The Wino]

If they design the junction to " catch people out" I wonder what percentage of drivers going through are getting fines? If it's a small percentage is that the design of the junction or are they not as good at driving as they think they are? A lot of the comments sound a bit like football fans who blame the ref when their team are rubbish!

 

[Peregrinator]

CO2 in the atmosphere has doubled in a few generations. The climate has changed in my lifetime. The world is not an unchanging monolith. We are contributing to the changes.

The thing is, scientist's said we were going into a big freeze (ice age ), that was in the 1970's, thank God for Global warming.

 

[AndyPK]

Yes - as per The Radio Times, Peregrinator …

 

[Guigsy]

The thing is, scientist's said we were going into a big freeze (ice age ), that was in the 1970's, thank God for Global warming.

That's because the trend said we should be going into a natural ice age over the next few thousand years. Instead the climate did a man made U-turn and has fired off in the wrong direction about 100 times faster than a natural shift.

And while the world has warmed by about 1.5C on average already, that's not guaranteed for the UK and Northern Europe. It might get up to 6C cooler in London and 10C cooler in northern Scotland if the Atlantic Ocean stops the cycling that's largely driven by seasonal melting Arctic ice. Climate similar to Calgary or Moscow does not sound fun.

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