Doc on tour, France, Spain, Morroco.

[martxer]

Crikey this place is worse than Facebook! Really didn't want to get dragged into all this in a public space but as you've mentioned us Tam, and people who've never met Jackie or you for that matter are jumping on the gossip wagon then we feel we need to fill in some blanks about what happened from our perspective and I think you deserve to know our feelings on the matter as perhaps it will help you in future dealings with people.

We all went over to Morocco together (Paul, Helen, Jackie, Tam, Garry and Cintia) I had hoped that being with some friends would be a positive thing for you as I'd seen your struggles online. We were there for you from the start offering help with the dogs and company. We never had any thanks from you and it was upsetting to see you turn what had been a good day into negatives at every possible turn.

Garry and Cintia were taking their time travelling down as they had a lot longer than us in Morocco so we didn't see them after the 1st day in Assiilah but we ended up camping with Jackie further South and we always kept you up to date of our location but you never joined us as you refuse to pay for guardian parking.

Jackie never talked about you and we didn't either but we discovered that she is a really lovely person.

Caring, brave and independent. We ended up spending quite a bit of time together as we have a lot in common. We still tried to keep in contact with you, stopping by your wild camp but didn't get any effort back from you to socialise.

We had our group WhatsApp where we would all keep in touch and a couple of weeks in you sent a very negative message that no one one replied to (because we were probably all a bit fed up of it. You only see your own problems and never ask after anyone else) you then promptly left the WhatsApp group. I believe this was a trigger for Garry as he had put so much time into helping you he could not believe you would flounce off because you didn't get attention for one message.

Despite this when we caught up with you in Tafroute we kept popping by, inviting you on walks and finally brought a big bag of dog food to leave with you for the pups when we were leaving and you just showed no interest in how we were or what we were doing. It's hard work interacting with someone who doesn't give back in conversation.

I don't really care about any of the he said she said stuff but seeing people invent stories about Jackie who isn't on this forum is just too much. Plain hard truth here but you are hard to be around because you take and don't give back. People give because they want to help you feel happier and when you just reward that giving with more negativity and don't pick up the signals that peoples patience is wearing thin then those people withdraw. I must add though that you withdrew 1st from the WhatsApp group and then when you were told by Garry straight up that he was upset with you blocked him. Yes he should probably have called in person but we all over rely on messaging these days.

It's really hard to say and no one wants to hurt you but you can make a positive out of all this. Build bridges and learn how to be a good friend back. I know depression can be a very selfish disease but there are things you can try to get better and blaming others is not going to help you.

Best of luck for the future. Helen and Paul.

 

[martxer]

I think it’s a big ask to request someone who is suffering from depression to be positive.

A

 

[Carol]

Northernraider Tam I have said this is your thread about you Ella Blu Jade and Milo, no matter what has been said it wasn't you who made it public first, which wasn't fair to you, you only replied.
Hope you can start up again with some of your wonderful photos of places and the dogs, you definitely need time to process this.

 

[Figaro]

I think it's sad this all has to be played out on a public forum, but I suppose that's the price of dancing with the devil on 21st centuary social media
Lets hope a line can be drawn, and the thread can get back to travels, motorhomes, scenic photos and dogs

Stay strong Tam Northernraider

 

[Carpmart]

Back reading the thread… What did I miss?


TBH, it all sounds like playground stories my eight year old granddaughter tells me…. Poor/No communication seems to be the root cause! My council to my eight year old granddaughter is always the same, be kind to everyone, it’ll sort itself out… you know what, it always does!

Someone who knows everyone involved needs to get some olive branches out, pass them around and broker some good communication, ideally all in person and get on with enjoying life, companionship, adventures and travel.

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[scotzsue]

Northernraider Tam take time, enjoy your dogs and your travels, get posting those brilliant photos when you feel up to it.
Us folk living in 'ull have broad shoulders also available if you need to vent
Big hugs for a big bloke.
Look forward to read about everyones travels take care

 

[Minxy]

Crikey this place is worse than Facebook! Really didn't want to get dragged into all this in a public space but as you've mentioned us Tam, and people who've never met Jackie or you for that matter are jumping on the gossip wagon then we feel we need to fill in some blanks about what happened from our perspective and I think you deserve to know our feelings on the matter as perhaps it will help you in future dealings with people.

We all went over to Morocco together (Paul, Helen, Jackie, Tam, Garry and Cintia) I had hoped that being with some friends would be a positive thing for you as I'd seen your struggles online. We were there for you from the start offering help with the dogs and company. We never had any thanks from you and it was upsetting to see you turn what had been a good day into negatives at every possible turn.

Garry and Cintia were taking their time travelling down as they had a lot longer than us in Morocco so we didn't see them after the 1st day in Assiilah but we ended up camping with Jackie further South and we always kept you up to date of our location but you never joined us as you refuse to pay for guardian parking.

Jackie never talked about you and we didn't either but we discovered that she is a really lovely person.

Caring, brave and independent. We ended up spending quite a bit of time together as we have a lot in common. We still tried to keep in contact with you, stopping by your wild camp but didn't get any effort back from you to socialise.

We had our group WhatsApp where we would all keep in touch and a couple of weeks in you sent a very negative message that no one one replied to (because we were probably all a bit fed up of it. You only see your own problems and never ask after anyone else) you then promptly left the WhatsApp group. I believe this was a trigger for Garry as he had put so much time into helping you he could not believe you would flounce off because you didn't get attention for one message.

Despite this when we caught up with you in Tafroute we kept popping by, inviting you on walks and finally brought a big bag of dog food to leave with you for the pups when we were leaving and you just showed no interest in how we were or what we were doing. It's hard work interacting with someone who doesn't give back in conversation.

I don't really care about any of the he said she said stuff but seeing people invent stories about Jackie who isn't on this forum is just too much. Plain hard truth here but you are hard to be around because you take and don't give back. People give because they want to help you feel happier and when you just reward that giving with more negativity and don't pick up the signals that peoples patience is wearing thin then those people withdraw. I must add though that you withdrew 1st from the WhatsApp group and then when you were told by Garry straight up that he was upset with you blocked him. Yes he should probably have called in person but we all over rely on messaging these days.

It's really hard to say and no one wants to hurt you but you can make a positive out of all this. Build bridges and learn how to be a good friend back. I know depression can be a very selfish disease but there are things you can try to get better and blaming others is not going to help you.

Best of luck for the future. Helen and Paul.

Sorry but that is quite a derogatory post for many reasons, eg 'flounce off', what an awful thing to say. More likely he removed himself from a situation that was difficult for him to deal with, sometimes that's the best course of action as not everyone can smile and pretend everything is hunky dory.

Tam has had a hell of a lot to deal with, albeit with a lot of practical help with his MHs, he's still had to deal with a lot on his own especially in keeping himself going mentally. He hasn't got a partner to talk to or get support from, nor close family, and it's sometimes difficult for those who have to realise how draining and overwhelming it can be on one's own.

He's been very open about his issues at times so it shouldn't have been a surprise that he has his struggles, you don't have to deal with it nor be around him if you don't want to be but all of you cutting him off was IMV mean.

Contrary to what you say from Garry's post it seems Jackie was talking about him.

Selfish? Unaware is more apt, it is hard to 'see and think' of others when trying to just get through the day as that takes a lot of physical and mental energy leaving little for anything else. ADHD makes it worse. Yes you can do things to help with depression but unless you've experienced it yourself you will never know what it's really like nor how debilitating and difficult it is to overcome even a little and that's with a lot of support.

 

[Northernraider]

Crikey this place is worse than Facebook! Really didn't want to get dragged into all this in a public space but as you've mentioned us Tam, and people who've never met Jackie or you for that matter are jumping on the gossip wagon then we feel we need to fill in some blanks about what happened from our perspective and I think you deserve to know our feelings on the matter as perhaps it will help you in future dealings with people.

We all went over to Morocco together (Paul, Helen, Jackie, Tam, Garry and Cintia) I had hoped that being with some friends would be a positive thing for you as I'd seen your struggles online. We were there for you from the start offering help with the dogs and company. We never had any thanks from you and it was upsetting to see you turn what had been a good day into negatives at every possible turn.

Garry and Cintia were taking their time travelling down as they had a lot longer than us in Morocco so we didn't see them after the 1st day in Assiilah but we ended up camping with Jackie further South and we always kept you up to date of our location but you never joined us as you refuse to pay for guardian parking.

Jackie never talked about you and we didn't either but we discovered that she is a really lovely person.

Caring, brave and independent. We ended up spending quite a bit of time together as we have a lot in common. We still tried to keep in contact with you, stopping by your wild camp but didn't get any effort back from you to socialise.

We had our group WhatsApp where we would all keep in touch and a couple of weeks in you sent a very negative message that no one one replied to (because we were probably all a bit fed up of it. You only see your own problems and never ask after anyone else) you then promptly left the WhatsApp group. I believe this was a trigger for Garry as he had put so much time into helping you he could not believe you would flounce off because you didn't get attention for one message.

Despite this when we caught up with you in Tafroute we kept popping by, inviting you on walks and finally brought a big bag of dog food to leave with you for the pups when we were leaving and you just showed no interest in how we were or what we were doing. It's hard work interacting with someone who doesn't give back in conversation.

I don't really care about any of the he said she said stuff but seeing people invent stories about Jackie who isn't on this forum is just too much. Plain hard truth here but you are hard to be around because you take and don't give back. People give because they want to help you feel happier and when you just reward that giving with more negativity and don't pick up the signals that peoples patience is wearing thin then those people withdraw. I must add though that you withdrew 1st from the WhatsApp group and then when you were told by Garry straight up that he was upset with you blocked him. Yes he should probably have called in person but we all over rely on messaging these days.

It's really hard to say and no one wants to hurt you but you can make a positive out of all this. Build bridges and learn how to be a good friend back. I know depression can be a very selfish disease but there are things you can try to get better and blaming others is not going to help you.

Best of luck for the future. Helen and Paul.

Now most of that isn't factual is it ?


It's a lot to address but I'll give it a shot


So prior to us all heading to Morocco I spoke to you regarding Jackie's weird behaviour over the last few days at tarifa ....you yourself suggested I just leave her be and carry on ... and you're also aware I said I didn't want to just abandon her and it was me who kept contact with her to let her know where we were parked at Carlos etc and when we were crossing . She turned up but I got less than a few words from her that entire evening when we went out for dinner that never happened. There was an atmosphere.

The next day we all headed off to the ferry ....on the ferry I was sent outside with the dogs in the rain which admittedly put me in a bad mood ..
Yes you joined me on the deck with the dogs etc ..

We then drove to the campsite in assilsh ....Jackie went off ahead on her own to the campsite.
I joined you all on the campsite which isn't something I normally do but I attempted to socialise. Again you joined me for a walk , again I was blanked by Jackie .
It may have been a good day for you ....it wasn't for me.


The next day we moved on you headed south further than I was going.
That was the last day I heard from Jackie

I'm aware garry was travelling slower I left garry on a positive note .


When we did catch up again you were on the busy guardian parking in oualidia, you know I wouldn't go there as its busy there's a constant stream of people trying to sell stuff and often a lot of stray dogs.. but as you said you briefly visited on the wild spot I was on while you were out for a walk .
I was on a lovely mostly deserted beach which was ideal for my dogs ... walking them in to town wasn't going to happen unfortunately.

Again we were at different spots .. you went to another guardian parking I'd been to last time and again was somewhere you get people trying to sell stuff all day .

Again everyone knew before we came I wasn't going to be on campsites and wasn't going to use guardian parkups ...and I wasn't going to take my dogs in to towns etc as most of the locals don't like dogs .

Still all thus time I had not a single bit of contact from Jackie.

I have everyone's individual WhatsApp so really I had no need to be on a group chat where It was mostly discussing campsites and facilities I had no desire to use. At one point I lost Internet and had to go get another sim card , after that I'd posted a few messages on the group asking if people could see my messages etc and got no replies or delivered successfully notifications.. so I left the group . Garry sent me a message asking why and I answered saying no one replied to my messages ...he replied with 2 laughing emojis, I had several WhatsApp messages from garry after that so I don't think he took any offence at me leaving a WhatsApp group.

In tafroute you popped in while they were priming my van ,we chatted and we went for a dog walk ...I didn't realise I had to thank you for accompanying me Paul...really?
Anyway again on that walk we discussed various things and I told you again I'd heard nothing from Jackie

The next time you popped round my van was being painted , you asked if I wanted to join you on a hike and I explained I didn't want to leave the van for obvious reasons.

It was nothing to do with not accepting company etc .

The third time you visited was when you were moving on ....you left puppy food for the pups which I told you I'd pass on to Nicole the German girl as she would be staying there longer ...and then you headed off.

You WhatsApped me 30 minutes before you created this post to ask why I left the WhatsApp group and I told you why so not sure why you brought that up here unless it's because you don't believe or understand my reasons. And I'm afraid it makes me question if I can trust you not to be going between here and there Paul.
As I said I've no interest in people taking sides etc , I just posted my perspective to save having to do it over and over in the future everytime someone mentions me on garrys thread or garrys on mine .... because everyone here knows we were friends and its obviously going to be noticed we no longer are.

The content of the group chat wasn't really relevant to me most of the time , there wasn't really any other discussion on it and as I said anything I did post received no response.

You say Jackie never mentioned or discussed me while she was with you which you have to admit seems quite strange does it not considering she only met you through me and we'd been friends travelling together for several years.

It would seen odd to me but hey ho


With regards to garrys WhatsApp message ...he sent it on Friday....I never blocked garry until Tuesday... I blocked Paul on Friday.

But both had made it perfectly clear they no longer wanted to be friends so what difference would it have made?

No explanation for the message was received from garry .

As i said , there was no message saying i think we need space.....or explaining the issue it was made abundantly clear he was ending out friendship .

How did you expect me to respond or act on that?

I waited 4 days thinking maybe he'd realise how cold that was and perhaps reach out . He didn't so I blocked him to stop myself from sending any further replies.

I won't chase people to be a friend I just won't do it.


And I find considering Helen told me she also gets down at times that anyone can suggest you just somehow make yourself be happy.


I'm afraid Paul that while i appreciate you have the ability to somehow always see a positive and you seem blind to the animal cruelty , waste and constant harassment that is Morocco. Other people can't overlook it .

I fail to see how anyone who opens their eyes can't see the abused animals here .. but maybe the campsites and the guardian parkings in tourist spots give a different view.

But I could post pictures of the real grim side of Morocco.....but I often don't because really who wants to see the heartbreaking neglect and wilful harm there is here.

 

[Minxy]

I think it’s a big ask to request someone who is suffering from depression to be positive.

A

Agreed, he made no secret of his struggles at times so expecting him to be able to join in with things in the same way as those without depression is unrealistic, support is what's needed, if people don't want to continue to give it that's their choice of course - not everyone can be supportive as it can be hard work but castigating the other person shows a lack of understanding,

 

[Figaro]

Not my call Tam, but if you can, I'd try and leave at that and move on

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[Northernraider]

I'm done for today ....I can't respond to everyone's messages right now, I have read all replies, and thank you it means a lot.

I don't really want this debate going on for days ,I'm still upset about the whole thing and going over it doesn't make it better , I just wanted to explain that I didn't do this .

I can't see whatever other thread Carol mentioned this morning . I put garrys thread on ignore on Saturday as I don't want notifications whenever I'm mentioned on it.


As I said in my post earlier I still need time to process this last week ....I still have issues with the camper and I'm still trying to figure out a plan for the next week or so as I need to collect this part at somepoint.

I have taken some photos over the last few days and I'll post them up at somepoint.

Tonight I'm parked up north of sidi ifni and I've 3 strays here one of which has been tied up with a rope to act as a guard dog ...its been whining and howling the last 4 hours and I'm fighting the urge to set it free but as there's a security camera set up I'm unsure whether the police might not agree with me and I've already had one run in with corrupt police this week.

 

[pelican]

Sorry but that is quite a derogatory post for many reasons, eg 'flounce off', what an awful thing to say. More likely he removed himself from a situation that was difficult for him to deal with, sometimes that's the best course of action as not everyone can smile and pretend everything is hunky dory.

Tam has had a hell of a lot to deal with, albeit with a lot of practical help with his MHs, he's still had to deal with a lot on his own especially in keeping himself going mentally. He hasn't got a partner to talk to or get support from, nor close family, and it's sometimes difficult for those who have to realise how draining and overwhelming it can be on one's own.

He's been very open about his issues at times so it shouldn't have been a surprise that he has his struggles, you don't have to deal with it nor be around him if you don't want to be but all of you cutting him off was IMV mean.

Contrary to what you say from Garry's post it seems Jackie was talking about him.

Selfish? Unaware is more apt, it is hard to 'see and think' of others when trying to just get through the day as that takes a lot of physical and mental energy leaving little for anything else. ADHD makes it worse. Yes you can do things to help with depression but unless you've experienced it yourself you will never know what it's really like nor how debilitating and difficult it is to overcome even a little and that's with a lot of support.

Very well said.

 

[Northernraider]

Curiosity got the better of me and I had to look .


I'm glad I did as it clears up something .

And as I suspected its complete horse shit

I'm only upset that it was believed so easily.

I also learned exactly who I really don't want on my thread.

As I said I don't have secrets , mores the feckin pity as its clear folk use it against me when they feel hard done by.

Run to the sun….

It just goes to show Paul how things can be taken in different ways, when you mentioned not being his courier I took it as a joke as that's how your posts had been, Captain Paul aka DHL! Now it seems it wasn't a joke. If you offer help and support do it because you want to and don't expect...

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

 

[Mikey RV]

Let’s get this thread back on track before it gets taken down.

 

[Carpmart]

What’s happening with the brakes Tam?

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[Northernraider]

Let’s get this thread back on track before it gets taken down.

It's easy to say Mike when it isn't your name being dragged through the mud .

Being accused of wrong doing and hung out to dry for it does untold damage and its very hard to just ignore it.

 

[Northernraider]

What’s happening with the brakes Tam?

They work sometimes other times not so good I've had a few clenched arse cheek moments over the last week. It's amazing how mountainous this country is even near the coast.

 

[Carpmart]

They work sometimes other times not so good I've had a few clenched arse cheek moments over the last week. It's amazing how mountainous this country is even near the coast.

So what’s the plan to fix them now?

 

[Northernraider]

So what’s the plan to fix them now?

I'm considering a couple of anchors and a few lengths of rope . Just trying to teach jade the right time to throw them out the window .

Joking aside I've just got to take it easy at present as I don't have the parts yet I will meet Barchetta47 at somepoint as he's heading south and I'm easing my way north and then take it from there.

At this time though I'm still not convinced it's the master cylinder, I actually think that chaser might be on to something when he suggested the brake fault and turbo boost fault were connected .. there is a vacuum pump on this van that's fitted to the engine block .. it feeds in to the brake servo and round to the turbo wastegate .. I think that pump may be sticking intermittently.

If I remove the pipe from the servo with engine running I sometimes will hear a loud click and then for a while the van goes great up the hills etc . Then it will just randomly without warning lose power again ....and it's then I notice a difference in foot pedal pressure too.

At present I'm just descending hills in 3rd or 4th gear at times and using the brake on brake off method. So far touch wood it's been mostly OK.... the pedal hasn't faded


I doubt I'd get one of these pumps here though or the pipework so it will possibly be Spain before I get that looked at.

But I'll need the master cylinder too just incase it is 2 faults

 

[Razamataz]

There Is Nothing As Queer …. As Folk!
Some people seems to have an agenda/opinion.
My Brother doesn’t talk to me.
Flew from Germany to buy my Hymer £5000 less than market value…..All upset coz I never picked him up from Edinburgh Airport……. Bus right outside… 25 mins door to door.

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[Grummyb]

Tam if you think it's the vacuum pump may well be a Wabco (part most air brake components are manufactured by them even though they come in vehicle manufacturers packaging) if you can get a number off it I can probably get it checked by parts supplier at least then you will know whether its main agent only and it will give you some idea of cost

 

[Northernraider]

Tam if you think it's the vacuum pump may well be a Wabco (part most air brake components are manufactured by them even though they come in vehicle manufacturers packaging) if you can get a number off it I can probably get it checked by parts supplier at least then you will know whether its main agent only and it will give you some idea of cost

Its incredibly difficult to get to ...I think I'd have to remove the bonnet ,the intercooler etc just to get close enough to it.

But I did a Google search and on ebay etc and I think it might be a bosch part

 

[Mr porky]

G

Its incredibly difficult to get to ...I think I'd have to remove the bonnet ,the intercooler etc just to get close enough to it.

But I did a Google search and on ebay etc and I think it might be a bosch part

Good luck with the brakes I hope you get it sorted.

 

[Northernraider]

G

Good luck with the brakes I hope you get it sorted.

Thanks ...I will eventually that's for sure but not sure I'd trust a garage here to be honest...I've not seen many businesses in maroc that take pride in their work . Everything is half hashed.

I'll be back in Spain in approx 3 weeks and I'll find the part there hopefully as iveco are built in Spain

 

[Helen Ariel]

Now most of that isn't factual is it ?


It's a lot to address but I'll give it a shot


So prior to us all heading to Morocco I spoke to you regarding Jackie's weird behaviour over the last few days at tarifa ....you yourself suggested I just leave her be and carry on ... and you're also aware I said I didn't want to just abandon her and it was me who kept contact with her to let her know where we were parked at Carlos etc and when we were crossing . She turned up but I got less than a few words from her that entire evening when we went out for dinner that never happened. There was an atmosphere.

The next day we all headed off to the ferry ....on the ferry I was sent outside with the dogs in the rain which admittedly put me in a bad mood ..
Yes you joined me on the deck with the dogs etc ..

We then drove to the campsite in assilsh ....Jackie went off ahead on her own to the campsite.
I joined you all on the campsite which isn't something I normally do but I attempted to socialise. Again you joined me for a walk , again I was blanked by Jackie .
It may have been a good day for you ....it wasn't for me.


The next day we moved on you headed south further than I was going.
That was the last day I heard from Jackie

I'm aware garry was travelling slower I left garry on a positive note .


When we did catch up again you were on the busy guardian parking in oualidia, you know I wouldn't go there as its busy there's a constant stream of people trying to sell stuff and often a lot of stray dogs.. but as you said you briefly visited on the wild spot I was on while you were out for a walk .
I was on a lovely mostly deserted beach which was ideal for my dogs ... walking them in to town wasn't going to happen unfortunately.

Again we were at different spots .. you went to another guardian parking I'd been to last time and again was somewhere you get people trying to sell stuff all day .

Again everyone knew before we came I wasn't going to be on campsites and wasn't going to use guardian parkups ...and I wasn't going to take my dogs in to towns etc as most of the locals don't like dogs .

Still all thus time I had not a single bit of contact from Jackie.

I have everyone's individual WhatsApp so really I had no need to be on a group chat where It was mostly discussing campsites and facilities I had no desire to use. At one point I lost Internet and had to go get another sim card , after that I'd posted a few messages on the group asking if people could see my messages etc and got no replies or delivered successfully notifications.. so I left the group . Garry sent me a message asking why and I answered saying no one replied to my messages ...he replied with 2 laughing emojis, I had several WhatsApp messages from garry after that so I don't think he took any offence at me leaving a WhatsApp group.

In tafroute you popped in while they were priming my van ,we chatted and we went for a dog walk ...I didn't realise I had to thank you for accompanying me Paul...really?
Anyway again on that walk we discussed various things and I told you again I'd heard nothing from Jackie

The next time you popped round my van was being painted , you asked if I wanted to join you on a hike and I explained I didn't want to leave the van for obvious reasons.

It was nothing to do with not accepting company etc .

The third time you visited was when you were moving on ....you left puppy food for the pups which I told you I'd pass on to Nicole the German girl as she would be staying there longer ...and then you headed off.

You WhatsApped me 30 minutes before you created this post to ask why I left the WhatsApp group and I told you why so not sure why you brought that up here unless it's because you don't believe or understand my reasons. And I'm afraid it makes me question if I can trust you not to be going between here and there Paul.
As I said I've no interest in people taking sides etc , I just posted my perspective to save having to do it over and over in the future everytime someone mentions me on garrys thread or garrys on mine .... because everyone here knows we were friends and its obviously going to be noticed we no longer are.

The content of the group chat wasn't really relevant to me most of the time , there wasn't really any other discussion on it and as I said anything I did post received no response.

You say Jackie never mentioned or discussed me while she was with you which you have to admit seems quite strange does it not considering she only met you through me and we'd been friends travelling together for several years.

It would seen odd to me but hey ho


With regards to garrys WhatsApp message ...he sent it on Friday....I never blocked garry until Tuesday... I blocked Paul on Friday.

But both had made it perfectly clear they no longer wanted to be friends so what difference would it have made?

No explanation for the message was received from garry .

As i said , there was no message saying i think we need space.....or explaining the issue it was made abundantly clear he was ending out friendship .

How did you expect me to respond or act on that?

I waited 4 days thinking maybe he'd realise how cold that was and perhaps reach out . He didn't so I blocked him to stop myself from sending any further replies.

I won't chase people to be a friend I just won't do it.


And I find considering Helen told me she also gets down at times that anyone can suggest you just somehow make yourself be happy.


I'm afraid Paul that while i appreciate you have the ability to somehow always see a positive and you seem blind to the animal cruelty , waste and constant harassment that is Morocco. Other people can't overlook it .

I fail to see how anyone who opens their eyes can't see the abused animals here .. but maybe the campsites and the guardian parkings in tourist spots give a different view.

But I could post pictures of the real grim side of Morocco.....but I often don't because really who wants to see the heartbreaking neglect and wilful harm there is here.

All of what we said was factual but as always you manage to twist things into your own narrative. I (Helen) didn't join you on deck with your dogs. Firstly both Paul and I waited under deck outside your van to help you get the dogs up multiple flights of stairs and when you were asked to leave the restaurant with the dogs because they were causing a scene I immediately took Blue outside for you in the pouring rain as she is such a handful and was the main one causing disturbance. You followed on after. Luckily it didn't rain for long and the sun came out and Paul suggested we look after all the dogs on deck whilst you completed your immigration forms. I don't do things like that expectating anything it's just polite to notice and say thanks when people put themselves out instead of going on a forum instead to moan about how it must be Moroccan's who hate dogs as to why you were asked to take them outside. The reality is that 4 dogs scrabbling about on a shiny floor caused a bit of a ruckus. This doesn't fit your narrative that everyone is out to get you. It's not that Tam we all just wanted to help you but you refuse to accept any responsibility.

Re Jackie not mentioning you. I meant that she didn't bad mouth you or say anything to influence us. We didn't spend lots of time talking about you because you removed yourself and made no effort to connect with us so we got on with enjoying our holiday.

Though you were wild camping we still reached out to on multiple occasions and nothing was returned.

Paul offered help on various occasions with your dramas such as brake bleeding etc but as a reward for his kind heartedness you winged on the forum that it was his fault you had no cash because he said you could get cash out from cash points with the clarity card we both have. There were multiple ways to get cash including money exchange at Assiilah.

Re positivey. At no point have we said you have to be positive all the time but that doesn't mean you can't be considerate and kind to others.

Re animal cruelty I'm not sure why you've brought that up. Morocco is far from perfect but I've never said anything different and we've discussed it together and I told you that's why I give to a moroccan dog charity and will one day rescue a dog from here rather than Europe which is so much easier. It's the reason i would personally only spend a month at a time there as the human and animal poverty is upsetting. The rubbish and pollution is dire but the people like anywhere else are generally good. I've never seen any purposeful cruelty and I've seen lots of locals feeding and stroking the strays. Yes there are animals in a bad way but that's because they can't afford to pick up strays and pay expensive vets bills. You come to Morocco for the Schengen days, weather and cheap cost of living but don't want to give anything back (apart from the 1st year of dog feeding) If Morocco is so bad what are you doing to help make it better? I like to think that bringing in some tourist pounds and being open minded and kind to people here will help in a tiny way.

You paint a narrative of being blind sided by all this but people try to talk to you and you don't listen or take anything on board when they try and that's why they either withdraw without making a scene (Jackie) or lose patience and cut ties (Cap Paul and Garry)

I do wish that they had spoken to you personally and explained it more fully but unfortunately you don't seem open to taking things on board so I can see why they didn't have the mental energy to get into it. Unfortunately it has now all erupted anyway because of people on here going on Garry's thread and keep asking about you. He didn't say anything nasty about you but people kept poking and now it's all erupted.

I don't do cutting people off so if our paths ever cross I'm happy to sit with you and try to heal these wounds but it needs to be a 2 way street.

This has been really upsetting to me seeing everyone who's been hurt by this. You're right that I suffer from mental health problems too at times and I have very close friends with depression and so I do empathise and I really do wish you well.

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[Minxy]

I'm considering a couple of anchors and a few lengths of rope . Just trying to teach jade the right time to throw them out the window .

You've got it wrong, just train that hefalump Blu so that when you say "oh hell" she jumps out of the window and digs her heels in!

 

[Northernraider]

All of what we said was factual but as always you manage to twist things into your own narrative. I (Helen) didn't join you on deck with your dogs. Firstly both Paul and I waited under deck outside your van to help you get the dogs up multiple flights of stairs and when you were asked to leave the restaurant with the dogs because they were causing a scene I immediately took Blue outside for you in the pouring rain as she is such a handful and was the main one causing disturbance. You followed on after. Luckily it didn't rain for long and the sun came out and Paul suggested we look after all the dogs on deck whilst you completed your immigration forms. I don't do things like that expectating anything it's just polite to notice and say thanks when people put themselves out instead of going on a forum instead to moan about how it must be Moroccan's who hate dogs as to why you were asked to take them outside. The reality is that 4 dogs scrabbling about on a shiny floor caused a bit of a ruckus. This doesn't fit your narrative that everyone is out to get you. It's not that Tam we all just wanted to help you but you refuse to accept any responsibility.

Re Jackie not mentioning you. I meant that she didn't bad mouth you or say anything to influence us. We didn't spend lots of time talking about you because you removed yourself and made no effort to connect with us so we got on with enjoying our holiday.

Though you were wild camping we still reached out to on multiple occasions and nothing was returned.

Paul offered help on various occasions with your dramas such as brake bleeding etc but as a reward for his kind heartedness you winged on the forum that it was his fault you had no cash because he said you could get cash out from cash points with the clarity card we both have. There were multiple ways to get cash including money exchange at Assiilah.

Re positivey. At no point have we said you have to be positive all the time but that doesn't mean you can't be considerate and kind to others.

Re animal cruelty I'm not sure why you've brought that up. Morocco is far from perfect but I've never said anything different and we've discussed it together and I told you that's why I give to a moroccan dog charity and will one day rescue a dog from here rather than Europe which is so much easier. It's the reason i would personally only spend a month at a time there as the human and animal poverty is upsetting. The rubbish and pollution is dire but the people like anywhere else are generally good. I've never seen any purposeful cruelty and I've seen lots of locals feeding and stroking the strays. Yes there are animals in a bad way but that's because they can't afford to pick up strays and pay expensive vets bills. You come to Morocco for the Schengen days, weather and cheap cost of living but don't want to give anything back (apart from the 1st year of dog feeding) If Morocco is so bad what are you doing to help make it better? I like to think that bringing in some tourist pounds and being open minded and kind to people here will help in a tiny way.

You paint a narrative of being blind sided by all this but people try to talk to you and you don't listen or take anything on board when they try and that's why they either withdraw without making a scene (Jackie) or lose patience and cut ties (Cap Paul and Garry)

I do wish that they had spoken to you personally and explained it more fully but unfortunately you don't seem open to taking things on board so I can see why they didn't have the mental energy to get into it. Unfortunately it has now all erupted anyway because of people on here going on Garry's thread and keep asking about you. He didn't say anything nasty about you but people kept poking and now it's all erupted.

I don't do cutting people off so if our paths ever cross I'm happy to sit with you and try to heal these wounds but it needs to be a 2 way street.

This has been really upsetting to me seeing everyone who's been hurt by this. You're right that I suffer from mental health problems too at times and I have very close friends with depression and so I do empathise and I really do wish you well.

OK it's all my fault.


We'll agree to disagree as I honestly haven't the spoons to respond to all of that.

I've been accused of being manipulative, deceptive and extorting money on garrys thread .

I always trust my gut , and my gut was telling me from Christmas time that something was not right. I therfore took the advice of many on here including both you and Paul to distance myself from Jackie

I didn't know that meant that everyone else was going to spend their time with her instead .


Anyway

I'm off to try and sort out the 3 strays I have here ....because contrary to your belief I've been feeding every stray I've met on this trip too and I've done it every year I've been travelling .


I put money in to the local economy in Morocco I just don't put it in the hands of the fake intimidating often aggressive guardians.

In tafroute the guardian is employed by the council ...I stayed there 5 nights

 

[Minxy]

Tam, please ignore the negative comments if you can, be better than those who want to criticise and accuse you, you are open about who you are and how you think so if others can't understand you and expect you to be different it's not your problem, it's there's.

Now let's be having some photos of the doggies.

Oh ... and if you see a donkey go give it a cuddle, you can't be sad when there's a lovely donkey around.

 

[KASPAR]

Back on track, Northernraider we are bereft of pics of doggies and that modern looking bus you had painted, pull yer socks up.

Bluddy youngsters, get a grip and keep us oldies appraised of yer travels

 

[Northernraider]

Tam, please ignore the negative comments if you can, be better than those who want to criticise and accuse you, you are open about who you are and how you think so if others can't understand you and expect you to be different it's not your problem, it's there's.

Now let's be having some photos of the doggies.

Oh ... and if you see a donkey go give it a cuddle, you can't be sad when there's a lovely donkey around.

Well you wanted doggy pics

I'm trying to decide whether to free this poor dog that's chained and roped to a lump of concrete here. He's a gentle sweetheart and clearly not looked after properly . Im parked on a windy clifftop and he has really poor shelter and only food and water that I've provided .

There were guys working on this building yesterday but no one here overnight. There is however a security camera and I'm not sure if it's monitored or not.

If no one had been here yesterday I'd have freed it last night

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