Doc on tour, France, Spain, Morroco.

OK so after me showing him multiple photos and going online to autodoc etc we got somewhere. He doesn't have one here , casablanca has 3 ... not iveco or even bosch part and its 4857dh for just the part .... that's about 400 quid so that's not happening lol.


I think the best bet is to get the one in Spain and CaptainPaul will bring it over for me.

I'm going to have a quick look see if I can find a auto parts place near here just to see if they can get one or not
 
Well I found a street that's a mile long and all garages and auto parts places ,nightmare to park , I went in to one parts place and of course not English speaking so I used translator to try and say what I needed , it's a pita and he didn't seem to have a clue what I was asking for . It's highly doubtful any of these places will have one ...I don't recall seeing a single mk3 iveco turbo daily since arriving in maroc so they're not common here. If I did find a place that could get one it would probably be from iveco themselves so I feel its a pointless excercise.

I think my best bet is the one from Spain and I'll just have to be wary of steep windy roads till I get it fitted.
 
Have you got an eezibleed or similar or is it worth getting one of them?

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Onemanandhisdog said:
Have you got an eezibleed or similar or is it worth getting one of them?
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I'm not sure it would make any difference at present. The brakes are fine unless I'm doing constant braking on hills.

The best option I think is just to get a master cylinder and I'll get it fitted either while I'm in tafroute or later.

If I can get the one in Spain in time for CaptainPaul to collect it and then get it from him when I see him
 
Northernraider said:
I'm not sure it would make any difference at present. The brakes are fine unless I'm doing constant braking on hills.
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Not to be too much of a squeaky wheel (ha ha) about this but I’m still not completely clear how “brakes are fine unless I brake constantly on hills” results, in the first instance, in a master cylinder diagnosis.
 
I have looked for a replacement master cylinder using the part numbers as shown in your picture way back, Bosch 796791 have found plenty Iveco Daily replacements, mostly costing arround £70 mark, but I cannot find anything from Bosch with that exact number. I guess once you have removed it, have it in your hand it will give a better idea of what the connecting end looks like.
Here is a link to The E Bay Page I have been looking at, I guess you have also, but getting the Part Number Equivalent would be useful for Daily Type and model year would be needed.
Good luck
LES

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PaulW2 said:
Not to be too much of a squeaky wheel (ha ha) about this but I’m still not completely clear how “brakes are fine unless I brake constantly on hills” results, in the first instance, in a master cylinder diagnosis.
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Apparently the seal only leaks when under pressure. To be fair I have no idea how that's the case either and I'm not 100% sure it is the master cylinder hence my reluctance to spend £4-500 having it chsnged . I've had to jump on the brakes a fair few times due to shitty driving or covert speedbumps and the brakes are good enough then to have stuff flying out cupboards etc. Under normal conditions it stops fine.

The only time I have problems is descending long steep and windy roads .. then I feel the brakes are not great and on the few occasions I've mentioned I've had brake fade or an apparent lack of pressure.


Maybe it's just one of those things that can't be explained but just works . That's what I'm hoping for as I'll be pissed off if I do change it and brakes do the same thing.


If I can get the one from Spain at €116 and have it fitted in tafroute while I'm there anyway then that's fine ...its worth a shot.

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TinaLes said:
I have looked for a replacement master cylinder using the part numbers as shown in your picture way back, Bosch 796791 have found plenty Iveco Daily replacements, mostly costing arround £70 mark, but I cannot find anything from Bosch with that exact number. I guess once you have removed it, have it in your hand it will give a better idea of what the connecting end looks like.
Here is a link to The E Bay Page I have been looking at, I guess you have also, but getting the Part Number Equivalent would be useful for Daily Type and model year would be needed.
Good luck
LES

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The only ones I find with that bosch number are second hand units so I'm guessing its a discontinued part. Highly possible as it's 20 years old.

I could possibly source a second hand one here but I'm not keen on that because I'm mine is knackered due to age then a second hand one could be the same.


The one I need is this one

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Northernraider said:
Apparently the seal only leaks when under pressure. To be fair I have no idea how that's the case either and I'm not 100% sure it is the master cylinder hence my reluctance to spend £4-500 having it chsnged . I've had to jump on the brakes a fair few times due to shitty driving or covert speedbumps and the brakes are good enough then to have stuff flying out cupboards etc. Under normal conditions it stops fine.

The only time I have problems is descending long steep and windy roads .. then I feel the brakes are not great and on the few occasions I've mentioned I've had brake fade or an apparent lack of pressure.


Maybe it's just one of those things that can't be explained but just works . That's what I'm hoping for as I'll be pissed off if I do change it and brakes do the same thing.


If I can get the one from Spain at €116 and have it fitted in tafroute while I'm there anyway then that's fine ...its worth a shot.
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I'm not sold on the 'under pressure' idea really. I'll give you an opinion just for what it's worth but profess no expertise so take it with a pinch of salt.

When you brake the pressure is constant based on the pressure you place on the pedal. It's a hydraulic relationship between pressure in and out.

To me it sounds as if:
  • It works well most of the time.
  • When you go down a long hill it is initially ok.
  • As you keep braking heat builds up in the (mainly front) discs and pads.
  • This heat could cause a problem in one of two ways. Either by the heat itself causing a loss of friction between discs and pads, or by this heat also causing your brake fluid to boil. Sometimes the first can also cause the second.
  • You have previously experienced the fluid boiling so you already know there is an overheating problem with your brakes.
  • Now you probably still have an overheating problem but this time it hasn't boiled the fluid (yet).
So why the heat? Either a design problem or something that can be remedied.

What could one try to remedy?
  • Are the pads of the right softness/hardness?
  • Are the discs good enough at dissipating heat? Ventilated?
  • How well are the calipers working? Are the brakes perhaps sticking so that the pistons don't withdraw properly, causing heat buildup under continuous braking?
 
PaulW2 said:
I'm not sold on the 'under pressure' idea really. I'll give you an opinion just for what it's worth but profess no expertise so take it with a pinch of salt.

When you brake the pressure is constant based on the pressure you place on the pedal. It's a hydraulic relationship between pressure in and out.

To me it sounds as if:
  • It works well most of the time.
  • When you go down a long hill it is initially ok.
  • As you keep braking heat builds up in the (mainly front) discs and pads.
  • This heat could cause a problem in one of two ways. Either by the heat itself causing a loss of friction between discs and pads, or by this heat also causing your brake fluid to boil. Sometimes the first can also cause the second.
  • You have previously experienced the fluid boiling so you already know there is an overheating problem with your brakes.
  • Now you probably still have an overheating problem but this time it hasn't boiled the fluid (yet).
So why the heat? Either a design problem or something that can be remedied.

What could one try to remedy?
  • Are the pads of the right softness/hardness?
  • Are the discs good enough at dissipating heat? Ventilated?
  • How well are the calipers working? Are the brakes perhaps sticking so that the pistons don't withdraw properly, causing heat buildup under continuous braking?
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My thoughts exactly but if I say something it just gets dismissed out of hand so give up, also when the fluid was changed was it bled completely, is there some air floating about somewhere that moves when the fluid gets hot?
 
PaulW2 said:
I'm not sold on the 'under pressure' idea really. I'll give you an opinion just for what it's worth but profess no expertise so take it with a pinch of salt.

When you brake the pressure is constant based on the pressure you place on the pedal. It's a hydraulic relationship between pressure in and out.

To me it sounds as if:
  • It works well most of the time.
  • When you go down a long hill it is initially ok.
  • As you keep braking heat builds up in the (mainly front) discs and pads.
  • This heat could cause a problem in one of two ways. Either by the heat itself causing a loss of friction between discs and pads, or by this heat also causing your brake fluid to boil. Sometimes the first can also cause the second.
  • You have previously experienced the fluid boiling so you already know there is an overheating problem with your brakes.
  • Now you probably still have an overheating problem but this time it hasn't boiled the fluid (yet).
So why the heat? Either a design problem or something that can be remedied.

What could one try to remedy?
  • Are the pads of the right softness/hardness?
  • Are the discs good enough at dissipating heat? Ventilated?
  • How well are the calipers working? Are the brakes perhaps sticking so that the pistons don't withdraw properly, causing heat buildup under continuous braking?
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All good advice and a great synopsis. If you go back 50/60 pages, this has all been suggested but discounted by the big man himself.

I know this loop has been traversed many times Tam, but with this only happening at the point the system is being used heavily (long or steep downhill) and is fine in all other conditions, it’s definitely pointing, not to a component failure, rather the interaction between pads and discs and or fluid issues at caliper end.

I’ve an Iveco running at 7150kg (plated at 7300) and the pads I have to keep an eye on, is the rears! I’m on my third set of rear pads in five and half years. Engine braking is a complete joke and I operate with a less than optimal approach of getting to a much lower speed and lower gear than I’m comfortable with, then cadence braking through short but hard braking, with as long a period between these hard braking events as I dare. Riding brakes (as I’m sure you know) is the biggest issue as there is no time for heat to dissipate!

The above is teaching one’s grandmother, I’m sure, but have a good look at the rear pads, even if they are new! When bleeding for brake fade reasons, you only need to pump a few strokes of the pedal per caliper as in my experience from racing, it will be pretty localised fluid damage.

I’ve been looking at retro fitting a retarder, either the magnet based one or an exhaust one, but haven’t done this yet!
 
Open this Link it's a French focused search for the Bosch part number.

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Northernraider said:
I bought a 10kg bag of oranges from a road side seller last week .. it cost me 100dh so roughly 1 euro a kg. Unfortunately they haven't lasted very well and I've lost probably 4kg to them starting to turn .... fortunately I fed them to donkeys so not a complete loss , but even the ones I've eaten weren't the best , very tough some of them others quite dry.

I don't think I'll be buying any of the big bags again as a result.

I eat 3/4 oranges a day and have done for many years but I like them sweet n juicy .
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There is a trick to finding good oranges, tangerines etc. Pick one up and scrape your finger nail over the skin and smell it. The intensity of the smell produced will be equal to the taste.
 
PaulW2 said:
I'm not sold on the 'under pressure' idea really. I'll give you an opinion just for what it's worth but profess no expertise so take it with a pinch of salt.

When you brake the pressure is constant based on the pressure you place on the pedal. It's a hydraulic relationship between pressure in and out.

To me it sounds as if:
  • It works well most of the time.
  • When you go down a long hill it is initially ok.
  • As you keep braking heat builds up in the (mainly front) discs and pads.
  • This heat could cause a problem in one of two ways. Either by the heat itself causing a loss of friction between discs and pads, or by this heat also causing your brake fluid to boil. Sometimes the first can also cause the second.
  • You have previously experienced the fluid boiling so you already know there is an overheating problem with your brakes.
  • Now you probably still have an overheating problem but this time it hasn't boiled the fluid (yet).
So why the heat? Either a design problem or something that can be remedied.

What could one try to remedy?
  • Are the pads of the right softness/hardness?
  • Are the discs good enough at dissipating heat? Ventilated?
  • How well are the calipers working? Are the brakes perhaps sticking so that the pistons don't withdraw properly, causing heat buildup under continuous braking?
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Well they did the same on the last 6 miles to tafroute coming down long mountain road .. brakes doing nothing had to use mostly gears ... pedal remained mid way it did not sink like it did when fluid boiled. You'd almost think the brakes were not on .yet they were fine the rest of the road here . So I'm not sure what's going on.. brakes were smelly when I stopped to let them cool down drivers wheel didn't feel too hot passenger side did.

I will need to take wheels off and take pads out check all the pistons are free etc again .

The new master cylinder is ordered and CaptainPaul should collect it tomorrow.

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