Doc on tour, France, Spain, Morroco.

[spain2023]

...and they're moaning Morocco is expensive


For clarity, not Tam particularly.

 

[PaulW2]

Will they be rounding up unruly football followers, and shooting them? Last time I went to the footy the 'fans' built a bonfire of scarves, jumpers and set fire to them, when the firemen went in to extinguish the fire the 'fans' kicked the crap out of them. Goodison Park in the early 70s, not been to footy since.

Was invited to a cup match in the 90s, didn't go but the 'fans' invaded the pitch and snapped the goalposts.

Sharpened pennies, razor blades in potatoes thrown at other team supporters, very odd sport.

It is quite interesting to see the difference in police presence and crowd control preparation between say Twickenham and football stadiums. Not to mention that the supporters are all intermingled at rugby matches.

As the old joke has it rugby is a game for hooligans played by gentlemen, football a game for gentlemen played by hooligans.

But it is striking how we - the same people - can culturally 'code switch' just depending on the context. Weather ok? I'll be well-mannered at the roundabouts. A bit of snow? It's a Mad Max world.

 

[Northernraider]

https://www.reuters.com/world/turkeys-stray-dogs-find-homes-abroad-after-new-law-clear-them-off-streets-2024-09-05/

Tbf Still not clear but suspect there's a bit of both going on.

There's always been ones getting rehomed outwith Turkey but a fraction of whats there. As I said Istanbul, bodrum, antalaya are different from the rest of Turkey. I saw some terrible states last year.

 

[Littlewheels]

I’ve found a lot of stuff cheeper in the supermarket then the markets… I looked at tagines and a big one was 55d and a single one glazed was 35d .. I found the veg and fruit cheeper in maroc carrefore cheeper then the bloke coming around the site…

The problem in buying from a supermarket is it’s not supporting the local economy, buy local and spend local.Supermarkets especially larger ones are central purchasing.

 

[Northernraider]

Anyone following my threads regularly will have remembered that my first couple of weeks in Turkey I had quite a positive view of it regarding the dogs ....then I saw the rest of Turkey and it was heartbreaking.


Morroco is much the same , up till now I've not really seen any that's been really starving or badly injured etc . But I've been here less than two weeks and I've deliberately avoided many places.


I benefit nothing from making up what I see with dogs in places I only tell it like I see it.


The cats are not much better to be honest they're often also in a terrible state I just can't get near them most of the time with the dogs.

Obviously there are a lot of people in both these countries who are trying to help and save the cats ,dogs , donkeys and various other animals. But they're the minority and they're struggling.


I get mixed looks with my own dogs , I get a lot of curiosity, I often get mostly girls and women smiling at them and pointing , but I also get a lot of looks of disgust lol .

This time I try to keep the dogs away from the locals as it saves the hassle , but that's often hard work in itself.


I'll be glad to get back out of agadir that's for sure so will see what the score is in iveco garage but if no joy I might just be leaving it till later.

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[Northernraider]

The problem in buying from a supermarket is it’s not supporting the local economy, buy local and spend local.Supermarkets especially larger ones are central purchasing.

Unpopular opinion but I'm not that bothered about supporting the local economy. I'm about what works best for my pocket and what's easier.

The haggling thing can be a bit fun now and then with the odd purchase but I'm not doing it over fruit n veg

 

[PaulW2]

Unpopular opinion but I'm not that bothered about supporting the local economy. I'm about what works best for my pocket and what's easier.

The haggling thing can be a bit fun now and then with the odd purchase but I'm not doing it over fruit n veg

I expect it depends on quite a lot of factors.

In the UK it's big supply chains only for us. So that horse bolted long ago.

In Portugal we do get some fruit and veg deliveries from a couple who run a local small farm.

But they have to be more or less price competitive with big supermarkets. These supermarkets, of course, have a track record of really squeezing their suppliers (many of whom are in far poorer countries). Our guys can be a bit more expensive, but it's not infinitely elastic.

So indirectly, even though we buy from the local crowd, they are still being squeezed because the supermarkets squeeze their third world suppliers.

But we also still have to believe that their produce, hygiene standards, quality control etc. are up to scratch. We do believe so, so it's ok. But that is a question that would need to be answered very locally every time.

 

[HarryML7]

Ice cream anyone? Lol

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Ice Cream or other goodies?

 

[Langtoftlad]

Almost impossible to ensure you buy local... even the "farm shops" have produce not grown on their farm.
Every Sunday we have a tractor in a nearby lay-by selling spuds. They're nice and good value but I simply can't use a 25kg sack full.

 

[MichaelT]

The term I'm increasingly hearing is "humanising pets".

Yes we've been told we treat our dog like a child, well that's what his piano teacher said

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[MichaelT]

As I've got older I've actually become more picky about where I will go.

So my list of exclusions is pretty long. Theocracy? Discrimination against women? Banned alcohol? Punish gays? Lop body parts off for breaking the law? Not sufficiently democratic? Not safe enough? Dirty? Corrupt? Infrastructure below my personal dodginess threshold?

Morocco wasn't really on the cards for me anyway.

There are the places I will visit. For everything else there is the internet.

I'll leave the attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion to other people.

You're not going to Liverpool anytime soon then

 

[scotzsue]

Remember the Glasgow ice cream wars ? Northernraider might just be young enough to

 

[WESTY66]

So Tam, without having to trawl back, where did you land in maroc? Also how much is diesel over there atm?

 

[Northernraider]

So Tam, without having to trawl back, where did you land in maroc? Also how much is diesel over there atm?

Tangier med .

Diesel is about £0.95 a litre

 

[nicholsong]

There is a lot of mention about sices and curry ingredients, but what about herbs - are they plentiful?

I do not like spicey food.

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[Gina M]

There is a lot of mention about sices and curry ingredients, but what about herbs - are they plentiful?

I do not like spicey food.

Moroccan spices are not like Indian spices they are more fragrant. I agree with you I don't like hot and spicy or what I call painful food

 

[Northernraider]

There is a lot of mention about sices and curry ingredients, but what about herbs - are they plentiful?

I do not like spicey food.

Yes you can get pretty much anything .

 

[Northernraider]

I expect it depends on quite a lot of factors.

In the UK it's big supply chains only for us. So that horse bolted long ago.

In Portugal we do get some fruit and veg deliveries from a couple who run a local small farm.

But they have to be more or less price competitive with big supermarkets. These supermarkets, of course, have a track record of really squeezing their suppliers (many of whom are in far poorer countries). Our guys can be a bit more expensive, but it's not infinitely elastic.

So indirectly, even though we buy from the local crowd, they are still being squeezed because the supermarkets squeeze their third world suppliers.

But we also still have to believe that their produce, hygiene standards, quality control etc. are up to scratch. We do believe so, so it's ok. But that is a question that would need to be answered very locally every time.

I bought a 10kg bag of oranges from a road side seller last week .. it cost me 100dh so roughly 1 euro a kg. Unfortunately they haven't lasted very well and I've lost probably 4kg to them starting to turn .... fortunately I fed them to donkeys so not a complete loss , but even the ones I've eaten weren't the best , very tough some of them others quite dry.

I don't think I'll be buying any of the big bags again as a result.

I eat 3/4 oranges a day and have done for many years but I like them sweet n juicy .

 

[Northernraider]

Moroccan spices are not like Indian spices they are more fragrant. I agree with you I don't like hot and spicy or what I call painful food

I love hot and spicy .

Morrocans can do hot and spicy too it just depends what you're buying .

But it is very good for spices thats for sure.

The ras el hanout in particular is a lovely spice

 

[Gina M]

I love hot and spicy .

Morrocans can do hot and spicy too it just depends what you're buying .

But it is very good for spices thats for sure.

The ras el hanout in particular is a lovely spice

Ras el hanout is my favourite too, you used to be able to buy it over here with the dried rose petals in it but it is now always ground but is so lovely mixed with lemon juice and crushed garlic and spread over a leg of lamb before roasting

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[nicholsong]

I bought a 10kg bag of oranges from a road side seller last week .. it cost me 100dh so roughly 1 euro a kg. Unfortunately they haven't lasted very well and I've lost probably 4kg to them starting to turn .... fortunately I fed them to donkeys so not a complete loss , but even the ones I've eaten weren't the best , very tough some of them others quite dry.

I don't think I'll be buying any of the big bags again as a result.

I eat 3/4 oranges a day and have done for many years but I like them sweet n juicy .

Tam

You need to find a 'sweet n juicy' orange seller onthe roadside !

 

[Northernraider]

Iveco not inspiring me with confidence lol

What's he doing under there?

My chassis number nor the part number on master cylinder is on their system

 

[Carpmart]

Checking the load sensor maybe?

 

[Wanders from Glos]

It is quite interesting to see the difference in police presence and crowd control preparation between say Twickenham and football stadiums. Not to mention that the supporters are all intermingled at rugby matches.

As the old joke has it rugby is a game for hooligans played by gentlemen, football a game for gentlemen played by hooligans.

But it is striking how we - the same people - can culturally 'code switch' just depending on the context. Weather ok? I'll be well-mannered at the roundabouts. A bit of snow? It's a Mad Max world.

Annoyingly the RFU has apparently been looking at segregation because they feel it will improve the atmosphere. Bloody stupid, and a shame I always enjoy the banter with opposing fans and Glaws.

 

[Northernraider]

Checking the load sensor maybe?

Wouldn't have thought so as I've not mentioned any problem just asked if they had or could get a master cylinder. Gave them part number and v5 for chassis number etc.

I'm getting a price for supply only and for supply and fit.


He did ask if for left or right though so I assuming there's a difference In Lhd and rhd ... which would make sense I guess .

Fortunately it is lhd so should be more common here. Think he's trying to get alternative part numbers from casablanca

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[Carpmart]

Wouldn't have thought so as I've not mentioned any problem just asked if they had or could get a master cylinder. Gave them part number and v5 for chassis number etc.

I'm getting a price for supply only and for supply and fit.


He did ask if for left or right though so I assuming there's a difference In Lhd and rhd ... which would make sense I guess .

Fortunately it is lhd so should be more common here. Think he's trying to get alternative part numbers from casablanca

Can’t think of what else he’d be doing under there? Maybe admiring your chassis and diff?

 

[Northernraider]

Can’t think of what else he’d be doing under there? Maybe admiring your chassis and diff?

That's the concern ha ha I tried to ask him and he just smiled and walked off. Only the guy in office speaks English.

There's a le voyager here too with French couple .. no handbrake

They're having some bother trying to take the rear hub off of it .

 

[Carpmart]

That's the concern ha ha I tried to ask him and he just smiled and walked off. Only the guy in office speaks English.

There's a le voyager here too with French couple .. no handbrake

They're having some bother trying to take the rear hub off of it .

There you go, he’s confused which Motorhome has the handbrake problem! OR, he’s looking if he can harvest some parts for the other motorhome.

 

[Northernraider]

There you go, he’s confused which Motorhome has the handbrake problem! OR, he’s looking if he can harvest some parts for the other motorhome.

I'm wondering if there's a chassis number stamped under there or some other identifying number or plate. My v5 gives limited information. I did tell him model number etc but tbf I'm not filled with confidence of getting the part.

You know that way you don't want to sound condescending but opened bonnet thinking he wanted to look at the part and he crawled under the back... I'm confused and standing by the motorhome waiting on his return lol


As a main dealer this place is incredibly sparse in comparison to UK garages . No ramps no pits , limited tools etc no posters sales brochures comfy seats or vending machines here lol. And the mechanics are in flip flops with bare feet

 

[Northernraider]

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