Comfortmatic Fluid Changes

Years come before miles, says 2 years in book, subsection(4) written underneath, but AM Recommend every year.
4 years first then, my fiat garage didn't change it on 4 year service (only did a 2 year one) it said NA on that line and I did query it but they said no need... AM seem ti have made a nice little earner out of scaring people but who knows.
 
With all the comments about the hydraulic fluid change I was concerned ours has not been changed. Anyway there seemed to be lots of contradicting advice from local garages and forums. So I decided to contact Fiat, received a call back from Italy but they could not help and said a dealer would advice so they gave me their preferred local dealer, Vospers in Exeter. I spoke to them with my query and they went off to talk to the Fiat technician who came back and said nothing to do as the comfortmatic clutch is a sealed unit!

Can’t trust the information from Fiat direct or local Fiat dealers so in the end I have booked a full service with Adam Morley (Portsmouth, Simon Potter) in December. Not cheap at £775 but includes the comfortmatic fluid change and relearn.

After lots of contact with several local garages it seems Simon Potter is the only one who knows whats required!

Thanks all for this threads advice.
Hard to believe there is only one guy who knows what needs doing
 
Mines a 2016 and the handbook doesn’t mention it but since this thread started I have had my fluid changed .
Mine is 2016 and as I’ve said before, the handbook says Check! Doesn’t say change, but that’s been updated to change, so technically fiat has been sending my clutch to hell, they should pay for me to have it all refurbed so I can start again and Change it at the specified intervals, which incidentally now the first change has long passed, so it’s going to go south🤔😁

Unless of course the 2016 models are bomb proof😉👍👍

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Mine is 2016 and as I’ve said before, the handbook says Check! Doesn’t say change, but that’s been updated to change, so technically fiat has been sending my clutch to hell, they should pay for me to have it all refurbed so I can start again and Change it at the specified intervals, which incidentally now the first change has long passed, so it’s going to go south🤔😁

Unless of course the 2016 models are bomb proof😉👍👍
I'm hoping so - ours is a 2016 with comfortmatic... 🤞
 
If anyone thinks Fiat are interested they are mistaken. They know that in a maximum of 12 months their liability even on the ones with a 5 year warranty is over & just like the 2007 juddergate problem won’t be theirs soon. We had our 2019 comformatic fluid changed at AM Portsmouth in August & rightly or wrong feel a lot more reassured.
 
4 years first then, my fiat garage didn't change it on 4 year service (only did a 2 year one) it said NA on that line and I did query it but they said no need... AM seem ti have made a nice little earner out of scaring people but who knows.
Hard to believe there is only one guy who knows what needs doing
Simon worked on our motorhome himself over a weekend to get us back on the road after being recovered to AM. This was 5 days before the first official open slot in their workshop. I trust him.

The update to the service schedule seems to have slipped past many garages but please don’t shoot down one that has bothered to keep up to date. Perhaps the others are the ones on the make, charging the standard Fiat hours for a 4 year service but not doing all the work?
 
Simon worked on our motorhome himself over a weekend to get us back on the road after being recovered to AM. This was 5 days before the first official open slot in their workshop. I trust him.

The update to the service schedule seems to have slipped past many garages but please don’t shoot down one that has bothered to keep up to date. Perhaps the others are the ones on the make, charging the standard Fiat hours for a 4 year service but not doing all the work?
The service comes out of the computer to tell them what to do and my local fiat garage are cheap compared to many.
 
If you want to risk a £3000 repair so Be it
Again with respect it was Adams who themselves when I enquired in 2021 stated it only needs checking at 2 years and changing at 4 as stated in the service book that came with the van. It is never about saving money when the risks outway the saving. This was also confirmed in reply to an email to Fiat customer service. And to be fair I would trust Adams Morey. I have had my cambelt changed by them at 4 years whilst having the 4 years service, as hopefully we will be in Portugal late 2024 when it would be due for a replacement.though it appears that there are different schedules in different years service requirements.

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Does anyone know what the 2 year check is ?

Is it just levels or is their a deterioration check they can do?

Is the recommendation every four years or 60k miles as the log book says?
 
The service comes out of the computer to tell them what to do and my local fiat garage are cheap compared to many.
I had my 4 year service done at Huttons, a Fiat professional garage “premium” or Gold service.
Nothing in there about clutch hydraulic check let alone change.
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The service comes out of the computer to tell them what to do and my local fiat garage are cheap compared to many.
However, I had the first service done at Imperial Commercials in Bristol. Another Fiat Professional garage. Looking back this does come with a Fiat branded servicing check list that mentions
For Comformatic, check hydraulic clutch activation fluid
This was at year 2 in 2017
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I’ve said it before but it’s farcical a company like Fiat with such a large market share in this industry doesn’t seem to offer any advice just pass the buck!
And that there only seems to be one outfit in the uk that is capable of carrying out the work that needs or maybe doesn’t need to be done!
But on a positive note there must be thousands of comformatic vans out there with zero problems.
 
I had my 4 year service done at Huttons, a Fiat professional garage “premium” or Gold service.
Nothing in there about clutch hydraulic check let alone change.
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Your first one is just the invoice 2nd the check sheet which I also get but also the service schedule where its NA
However on the 2nd page it states fluid change "or " every 2 years so I'm going to call them Monday to ask what that actually means. Looks like fiat go on mileage rather than years for schedule but my fluid was mot changed at year 2 so it's very confusing 😕

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Your first one is just the invoice 2nd the check sheet which I also get but also the service schedule where its NA
However on the 2nd page it states fluid change "or " every 2 years so I'm going to call them Monday to ask what that actually means. Looks like fiat go on mileage rather than years for schedule but my fluid was mot changed at year 2 so it's very confusing 😕
I agree all too confusing when for so many years of vehicle ownership it’s been just been go anywhere (including own drive) and change the engine oil and filter with very occasional brake fluid change, that’s it!
That’s why I have decided to go to Adams Moreley next week.
 
If there is one thing this thread proves it is the power of social media . We now have owners of Fiats with Comfort-Matic gearboxes travelling hundreds of miles to Adams Morey in Portsmouth to have fluid changed in a clutch for fear of breaking down with a large bill for repair. There are even owners coming over from France such is the power. Whilst I have no doubt Simon Potter knows his stuff regarding Comfort Matic gearboxes surely there are other individuals that can drain some fluid from, a clutch and access a computer programme to effectively bleed the air out and reset it .
 
If there is one thing this thread proves it is the power of social media . We now have owners of Fiats with Comfort-Matic gearboxes travelling hundreds of miles to Adams Morey in Portsmouth to have fluid changed in a clutch for fear of breaking down with a large bill for repair. There are even owners coming over from France such is the power. Whilst I have no doubt Simon Potter knows his stuff regarding Comfort Matic gearboxes surely there are other individuals that can drain some fluid from, a clutch and access a computer programme to effectively bleed the air out and reset it .
If there were, we would be talking about them🤷‍♂️👍
 
With all the stories of Fiat Professional garages saying different things would it be a good idea for an email to be sent on behalf of MHF members asking Fiat for clarification. I’m not volunteering as it would need someone who could a decent email 😂 or possibly Jim on behalf of the members as more chance of them listening when they see how many members MHF has.
 
This is a download for the Fiat Comfortmatic Gearbox. Page 14 denotes the period for checking the levels, but does not mention changing. Both should only be done by Fiat.

 
This is a download for the Fiat Comfortmatic Gearbox. Page 14 denotes the period for checking the levels, but does not mention changing. Both should only be done by Fiat.

They stopped issuing that separate manual some years ago. The copy I found on the internet had a print date of 2011. The replacement instructions are now found in the handbook, which clearly includes changing the hydraulic clutch activation fluid.
 
They stopped issuing that separate manual some years ago. The copy I found on the internet had a print date of 2011. The replacement instructions are now found in the handbook, which clearly includes changing the hydraulic clutch activation fluid.
Still used em in 2016👍 stopped shortly after that IIRC🤔
 
I agree all too confusing when for so many years of vehicle ownership it’s been just been go anywhere (including own drive) and change the engine oil and filter with very occasional brake fluid change, that’s it!
That’s why I have decided to go to Adams Moreley next week.
My thoughts exactly. 10 years old, 40000+ miles. Regularly "serviced" by a local garage to date, including cambelt. I, too, have sprung for the £775 service in December - en route from Perth to Spain via Portsmouth.
 
If the van is serviced as per the schedule by a fiat professional garage is there any comeback if it later goes faulty and you can prove the fluid change was not performed?

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If the van is serviced as per the schedule by a fiat professional garage is there any comeback if it later goes faulty and you can prove the fluid change was not performed?
I think there would especially if you have only used 1 garage.
 
I agree all too confusing when for so many years of vehicle ownership it’s been just been go anywhere (including own drive) and change the engine oil and filter with very occasional brake fluid change, that’s it!
That’s why I have decided to go to Adams Moreley next week.
Right so I rang my local fiat garage to try and clarify the situation. I stated the schedule says change every 2 years but ours was not done. He said do not touch it, causes more problems than it solves and not needed so long as fluid etc. looks OK on service and reason it was not done is it is not included in the service but its an extra. Told him about Adams Morey and one bloke there saying it needs doing and if I did want it done how much would it cost. So he took my reg number and went away to see how much the fluid was as he has to order it in. Came back fluid is £14 and as I am a regular customer he would be happy to change it for free at the next service so long as he can easily get to the resevoir. I asked about the recalibration kiss touch plate thingy and again he said shouldnt need doing but would see when he had it in.

So no clarity really only more mud in the water, why does one dealer think it needs doing and the rest not apart from the money earner they are getting from it?
 
Right so I rang my local fiat garage to try and clarify the situation. I stated the schedule says change every 2 years but ours was not done. He said do not touch it, causes more problems than it solves and not needed so long as fluid etc. looks OK on service and reason it was not done is it is not included in the service but its an extra. Told him about Adams Morey and one bloke there saying it needs doing and if I did want it done how much would it cost. So he took my reg number and went away to see how much the fluid was as he has to order it in. Came back fluid is £14 and as I am a regular customer he would be happy to change it for free at the next service so long as he can easily get to the resevoir. I asked about the recalibration kiss touch plate thingy and again he said shouldnt need doing but would see when he had it in.

So no clarity really only more mud in the water, why does one dealer think it needs doing and the rest not apart from the money earner they are getting from it?
Might as well ask him if he can run the clutch/flywheel degredation test on it whilst it’s there😉👍
 
so long as fluid etc. looks OK
The problem is it is not the fluid at the reservoir that deteriorates. The fluid turns grey/black at the slave cylinder and damage can be caused before it shows up at the reservoir.

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