Caravan and Motorhome Club price hikes.

[Langtoftlad]

All the sites are clean and well maintained. No booking - just check their web page to see number of vacancies.
Cost - €8 a night with the added attraction of sun!

...and how much, & how long to get there?
Apples & Oranges

 

[Langtoftlad]

this!! so many people complaining or suggesting I should use less power on site.. yet as a single traveller Im already paying for the usage of TWO people anyway as most site fees include 2 adults.. plus at some sites an additional £3.50 per dog x 2 for exactly WHAT in return?

Really gets my back up paying £7 per night extra when theres also one less adult. Are the dogs or invisible spouse using the electricity, showers, washing machines, playground or other facilities? Or do I pay that fee so someone else picks up their poop for me and walks them?
Ive stopped declaring I have dogs now, or at best just say I have one. Another rip off for nothing in return because they CAN. Theft.

Not quite - CAMC charges a pitch fee and an occupancy fee.
For a solo, such as myself, this structure is beneficial.
Currently on the Hebden Bridge site at £16.50/nt [that includes the energy supplement]

Much more preferable to commercial sites pricing for two adults, then charge extra for a dog, extra for an awning etc.

Incidentally, the warden here recalled a time when EHU was an optional extra and thought it might be a good idea to bring back.

 

[Charles 1952]

We're in York Rowntree Park for 3 night's £144.

Staying at Salisbury Hill - 3 nights £70; Lovely site, beautifully cared for and kind and helpful staff.
Charles Howard

 

[Lil red van]

Incidentally, the warden here recalled a time when EHU was an optional extra and thought it might be a good idea to bring back.

It stopped because the law changed and said you can't re-sell electricity.

The C & C C offer you a non electric pitch, which is just you not plugging in. Though their sites use flexible pricing.

If the C & M C are charging so much, £48 in Rowntree park over Easter, £38 in Edinburgh, and folk on here who are members all write to the club and ask "why if this is a club for members' benefit are prices so high, we want them lowered?" They probably won't change it, but they'll know the strength of feeling.

I do think CLs with electric hookup will go up in price, and I have seen some sites with prepayment meters.

 

[poppycamper]

Incidentally, the warden here recalled a time when EHU was an optional extra and thought it might be a good idea to bring back.

It stopped because the law changed and said you can't re-sell electricity.

I have been saying aslong as I have been a Funster, every time an EHU debate comes up that you used to be able to get a pitch and decide if you want to buy and use their leccy, but I was always disagreed with..
It is therefore enlightening to eventually get confirmation that I was indeed right.
Thanx Langtoftlad and Lil red van

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[poppycamper]

The C & C C offer you a non electric pitch, which is just you not plugging in.

Rules must have changed VERY recently. Used to be any pitch with EHU on C & CC site you had to pay for leccy.... you did not get choice not to pay.
Yes some sites may have a very few non leccy pitches but they tend to be on grass.

 

[EzeeRider]

C&MC have also just revised the pricing with respect to electric vehicles.
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Having reviewed consumption and usage over the period, the Club feels that it is fairer that electric and hybrid vehicle users pay a single fee to charge their vehicles via their outfit. Hybrid cars and electric cars are now charged at the same rate of £9 per charge, effective from 5 April 2022. The fee charged is based on the assumption the vehicle is plugged in overnight, via your outfit, drawing power at a rate which should fully charge a hybrid's battery and give a useful top-up to most fully electric cars.
unquote

I think there used to be two levels of payment dependant on whether it was a hybrid or a full electric vehicle being charged. Dunno what the rates were though.

ezee

 

[poppycamper]

Hybrid cars and electric cars are now charged at the same rate of £9 per charge,

So how they going to monitor that... do they assume you be charging every night or do you have to go to office and pay extra when you do charge.

 

[BIGG]

I would want breakfast included for that!

Too right! could probably get a Travel Lodge !!

 

[VXman]

Too right! could probably get a Travel Lodge !!

Not in the centre of Bristol sadly. Could get one somewhere not quite as pleasant. Gatwick airport has a Travelodge that is cheap. You could spend a few days plane spotting.

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[Tonks]

I have left the club. Shame as there are good sites and some good staff but prices are silly for a single traveller!

As another solo traveller I agree. It's why I like to use Britstops, where I can have a nice meal which has the added benefit of not using my gas to cook it, and not washing up! That said I'm at Malvern's Blackmore CCC site later this month combining meeting a caravanning family member, and doing a weekend training course nearby. £19.55 per night on hardstanding with EHU.

 

[Ivory55]

Rules must have changed VERY recently. Used to be any pitch with EHU on C & CC site you had to pay for leccy.... you did not get choice not to pay.
Yes some sites may have a very few non leccy pitches but they tend to be on grass.

I just wondered, why if it upsets you so much are you still a member and want to use their big sites

 

[poppycamper]

I just wondered, why if it upsets you so much are you still a member and want to use their big sites

As stated many time in past I am indeed a member of both clubs (which in no way upsets me ) and would use big sites more if I could get pitch without leccy.
So why am I still a member, very simply (as a lot of Funsters are) to be able to access the very good selection of CL's /CS's and more importantly THS.
I don't believe this is first time I have had to explain this in past....if not to you then some other Funster.

 

[Ivory55]

As stated many time in past I am indeed a member of both clubs (which in no way upsets me ) and would use big sites more if I could get pitch without leccy.
So why am I still a member, very simply (as a lot of Funsters are) to be able to access the very good selection of CL's /CS's and more importantly THS.
I don't believe this is first time I have had to explain this in past....if not to you then some other Funster.

I guess it’s best to accept it for what it is then because it is what it is as they say

 

[poppycamper]

I guess it’s best to accept it for what it is then because it is what it is as they say

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[Ivory55]

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[Michael Rennison]

Please explain where the money goes then!
It is not a non profit organisation, it is run as a commercial operation for the benefit of members.
No dividends are paid, profits are re invested for the benefit of members.

Last time I looked at their accounts there was £90 million in the bank - though I guess some of those reserves will have been used up during Covid.

 

[Gellyneck]

To put some numbers around the debate.

We're booked for around 7 weeks away just after Easter using a mix of C&MC sites and independent \ commercial sites during this time. 2 adults and 1 dog in a 7.6m motorhome.

The average increase on the previously booked cost for C&MC sites was £1.60 as a result of their recent announcement.

We've previously stayed on all the independent \ commercial sites and would say their sites \ facilities \ 16A ehu \ etc are all broadly similar to the C&MC sites we'll be visiting with the exclusion of one which charges £0.20 for each 10 minutes of shower time. So, say an additional cost of £0.80 for two daily showers of 20 minutes each. One of the independent \ commercial sites is actually an ex C&MC Affiliated Site.

The average nightly cost for the C&MC sites is £32.68 with the nightly cost ranging from £30.70 to £34.50. The independent \ commercial sites average nightly cost is £24.70 (£24.86 if you add in the additional shower costs noted above) with them ranging from £22.00 to £30.00 (the most expensive is a C&MC Affiliated Site). This makes the C&MC sites around £8 \ night more expensive.

More grist to the mill, as the saying goes!

 

[pheasantjez]

O.K. Have just done a bit of research.
Electricity cost on average £0.18.2 pence per kWh.
the average caravan will use between 4 and 6kWh per day, and most will use less, even with a worst case price hike the high user will use less than £1.50 per day. CMC I believe charge £2.50 per day for electric. How can they justify a price hike?
it really is time for a clear out at the top

Dear Claire, I have felt the need to register just to leave a comment against your comment. As a former electrician, motorhome owner and the owner of a large campsite what you have said above is total rubbish. I am unsure where you have got your facts form but you are way off. The facts are>

Point 1,
The lowest electricity rate in the UK is set by the government and it is called the "Ofgem price cap rate" (google it) that is currently set at 31p per kwh/unit as of 11/04/22. In a commercial setting like a campsite there is 20% vat to add to this then there is a CCL levy of 1p per unit and a standing charge of 54p per day. Another thing to factor in is that most campsite have there main meter some distance from the pitches like mine does, so there is a loss of around 10-15%, meaning for every 10 kwh/units that goes through the main meter only 7.5 kwh/units come out at the other end. You may comment on fixed rates, however the cheapest fixed rate for commercial electric is 45p plus Vat. At the moment all bar 1 of the energy suppliers has broken all fixed rated contracts with all customers quoting Force majeure as the reasoning. My current campsite rate is 43p per unit as this is what it cost me after all the vat, ccl and loss are added together. We have smart meters on all pitches to allow people to see what they are using and top up directly if required.

Point 2,
I am unsure where you have your usage figure from but these are also way way way off. No caravan or motorhome that we have ever had on site over the last 6 years has only 4-6 Kwh/ units of electric. I will give you an example. A large modern motorhome or caravan uses around 40 units per day during the winter months, of around 5c outside. In the summer the same large modern motorhome or caravan will use around 15 units. Trailer tents use considerably more..
**A winter example, 40 units/kwh X 43p = £17.20 per day of electric. **
**A summer example 15 units/kwh X 43p = £6.45.**

As a campsite owner I know and guarantee these facts, it is up to you if you believe me but big big changes will be happening regarding electric very soon, mark my words. J

 

[pheasantjez]

O.K. Have just done a bit of research.
Electricity cost on average £0.18.2 pence per kWh.
the average caravan will use between 4 and 6kWh per day, and most will use less, even with a worst case price hike the high user will use less than £1.50 per day. CMC I believe charge £2.50 per day for electric. How can they justify a price hike?
it really is time for a clear out at the top

Dear Claire, I have felt the need to register just to leave a comment against your comment. As a former electrician, motorhome owner and the owner of a large campsite what you have said above is total rubbish. I am unsure where you have got your facts form but you are way off. The facts are>

Point 1,
The lowest electricity rate in the UK is set by the government and it is called the "Ofgem price cap rate" (google it) that is currently set at 31p per kwh/unit as of 11/04/22. In a commercial setting like a campsite there is 20% vat to add to this then there is a CCL levy of 1p per unit and a standing charge of 54p per day. Another thing to factor in is that most campsite have there main meter some distance from the pitches like mine does, so there is a loss of around 10-15%, meaning for every 10 kwh/units that goes through the main meter only 7.5 kwh/units come out at the other end. You may comment on fixed rates, however the cheapest fixed rate for commercial electric is 45p plus Vat. At the moment all bar 1 of the energy suppliers has broken all fixed rated contracts with all customers quoting Force majeure as the reasoning. My current campsite rate is 43p per unit as this is what it cost me after all the vat, ccl and loss are added together. We have smart meters on all pitches to allow people to see what they are using and top up directly if required.

Point 2,
I am unsure where you have your usage figure from but these are also way way way off. No caravan or motorhome that we have ever had on site over the last 6 years has only 4-6 Kwh/ units of electric. I will give you an example. A large modern motorhome or caravan uses around 40 units per day during the winter months, of around 5c outside. In the summer the same large modern motorhome or caravan will use around 15 units. Trailer tents use considerably more..
**A winter example, 40 units/kwh X 43p = £17.20 per day of electric. **
**A summer example 15 units/kwh X 43p = £6.45.**

As a campsite owner I know and guarantee these facts, it is up to you if you believe me but big big changes will be happening regarding electric very soon, mark my words. J

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[ReneeSkylark]

Just paid £30 for 1 night at CMC yesterday.. and £58 for 2 nights 3 weeks ago!!! and both sites full!! guess its supply and demand.
In contrast I have a CC pitch in June (with electric and high season) for 2 nights, £29!!! And as a family get together CC will pitch us all close by.

 

[Mrs fear]

Trouble is if it was free 90% on here would still say it’s a rip off

They have ripped me off personally. Paid a deposit on site which then caravan club bought. Said they would honour it then told us we we should have been told it wouldn't roll over to the next year. We weren't told so lost out. Wont be renewing.

 

[Drexxer]

Three members of the 'Top Table' turned up for a CC (it was then) 'Special Rally' to celebrate a Counties 3000th Rally.
They each turned up with a Range Rover Vogue towing a Carlight Caravan.

What are the odds on that combination occurring?

Carlight, Thats a name from the past, dad worked there 38yrs and myself for 6yrs,

 

[82125]

Shush, it spoils them having a good moan and everything is a rip off. Haha

the "moaners" are everyone thats suggesting we shouldnt use the electric we paid for! CAMC may not charge for dogs, extra adults (2), but many other sites do so it relevant since all sites (not just CAMC) are increasing prices to cover increased costs.

Point being, the people who dont use much electric are complaining that some others do and they feel they are paying for it. Well its the same for single travellers but theyre not moaning saying you should leave your wife at home because 2 people use more site resources than them

 

[Ivory55]

the "moaners" are everyone thats suggesting we shouldnt use the electric we paid for! CAMC may not charge for dogs, extra adults (2), but many other sites do so it relevant since all sites (not just CAMC) are increasing prices to cover increased costs.

Point being, the people who dont use much electric are complaining that some others do and they feel they are paying for it. Well its the same for single travellers but theyre not moaning saying you should leave your wife at home because 2 people use more site resources than them

If it doesn’t suit your needs why on earth would you continue using it. We used cl sites so should we have been given a rebate on membership as we was paying for sites we didn’t use. If it’s not what you want it’s not compulsory as far as I am aware to belong to any of the clubs

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[poppycamper]

but theyre not moaning saying you should leave your wife at home

Now why have I not thought of that before.... Brill idea... BUT don't tell Mrs Poppycamper.

 

[82125]

If it doesn’t suit your needs why on earth would you continue using it. We used cl sites so should we have been given a rebate on membership as we was paying for sites we didn’t use. If it’s not what you want it’s not compulsory as far as I am aware to belong to any of the clubs

agree with you. I was the one saying im ok with prices going up to cover increased cost of electric.
What i dont agree with is paying more for it and it then being suggested I use should use less (by either people that dont use much or the sites themselves).
As you say, for those that dont like it, dont go. If people have set ups that use very little electricity, dont expect others not to use a reasonable amount (when they've paid for it), instead install a solar panel and use sites that offer pitches without hook ups.

The idea of installing infrastructure to meter all pitches, and the extra admin costs to run it / charge accordingly, will just mean everyones prices will go up even more than they already will (to cover the sites investment, even those choosing pitches without EHU).

 

[bexleyjohn]

I wont bore you with the details BUT my 5-week trip to France end of May and all of June will cost me in the region of £800 LESS than the same time in York and that includes the train fare across the channel. All the sites booked in France include full facilities as per York but also include free wi-if. Yes……. We are being ripped-off.

 

[Rumour and Innuendo]

I wont bore you with the details BUT my 5-week trip to France end of May and all of June will cost me in the region of £800 LESS than the same time in York and that includes the train fare across the channel. All the sites booked in France include full facilities as per York but also include free wi-if. Yes……. We are being ripped-off.

We find that too. A site in France that we use on the way, meandering down is at Puy-en-Velay (Aiguilhe). It is €15 per night (£12.60 today) and has all the facilities, plus a lovely view and only 500mtrs from the Church of St Michael, atop a spit of volcanic rock. Further down on the Med, we usually stop on a site that has a great pool complex, entertainment and almost guaranteed sunshine (or at least dry) for around €17 per night. (£14.28 today)

I don't call it getting ripped off here though, we have a choice. If we had to camp in one of these sites, then yes. But we choose to either stop or not. For us, mostly it is NOT!

 

[Beltie]

How can it be a rip-off? You know the price before you book. You then have a choice whether to use the site or not. As others have said it's not compulsory to use C&MC sites.

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