CAN'T AFFORD A TESLA

[jongood]

Yes, but it’s Chinese. Trying hard to buy what we can from countries and manufacturers that respect human rights.

Good for you. I'm trying a lot harder not to buy anything from China. A totalitarian state with ambitions to takeover the world with scant regard for even its own citizens. Its not always possible but more and more people are doing it.

 

[Guigsy]

Yes the weekly shopping trip (16 miles total) is easy but the parents' run will be an issue as there is nowhere to recharge at their house and I do a lot of running round in the car whilst I am there - often another 50 miles or more from GP to pharmacy to hospital and shopping (usually several trips as Mum forgets vital and urgent stuff).

A supercharge in rural Northumberland ?

We do the parents' trip every two weeks at least, often I take the car straight down so I can make a start on the running round and Martin takes the van to the (nearest but rural) campsite. Then it is back and forth every day in the car (26 mile round trip) every day. I'm not sure if we would be able to recharge at the campsite - I suspect not at present as it's a small CL and the EHU is limited.

Anyway at present we need a WAV and there is no such suitable electric vehicle yet.

I am very very risk averse which is why we are having the in house battery installed

Yeah, there's still not a ton of rapid chargers in rural areas. There are some though.
(map of rapid chargers only, fast and slow chargers excluded)

 

[jongood]

Citroen Ami also coming to the UK in 2022 - supposed to be priced around £6k.

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Made in Kenitra, Morocco - better than China.

 

[jongood]

That’s interesting.

I guess it’s a conversion a competent person could do.

Reducing the cost further.

These people are regularly on TV

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I agree with you, when you see the TV programme its all about component costs, they tend to use TESLA drive trais and then craddle as many batteries in as possible. I don't think it will be too long before somebody comes up with DIY kits.

 

[tofo]

Does anyone have an idea what the convention costs are for a classic car turned to an electric one.

I wonder if that’s the way to go

Found this for you

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[Hoovie]

Very interesting.

It's ugly but looks aren't everything ..... and more / better styling may well come.

Once I no longer need a wheelchair adapted vehicle this could be a possibility but being made in China is a huge negative given their disregard for their own citizens and the environment (just my opinion).

I like a basic car - less to go wrong! BUT it has to be comfortable over a long journey and be fit for purpose. The two most common trips we do are the 8 miles each way to our nearest town / supermarket or the 120 mile each way trip to my parents (nowhere to recharge there). Less common would be 26 miles each way to either Berwick or Galashiels and just over 40 miles each way to Edinburgh. An ACTUAL range (in bad weather with lights and heater on) of 250 miles would be ideal.

You must live next to me. I am just about 26 mile from Berwick and Gala, and just over 40 miles from Edinburgh as well

 

[Coolcats]

Not every one needs or wants an expensive EV, some want a cheaper alternative. Ideal to take the kid's to school or even younger drivers to commute to college or work.
This car is not available in the UK yet, made by a Chinese company ORA (Greatwall group of companies) call the BLACK CAT R1.
However in 2022 ORA launch in the Uk with the ORA CAT, bigger than the R1 more luxurious but still under cutting the Renault Zoe.
Interesting watch.

And the BMW i3 has been around long enough to be reliable, lots of comments on social media about these being classics of the future but also how well engineered they are. Broken Link Removed

 

[pappajohn]

There's a whole load of owners on my EV forum who are complaining that their new cars with a manufacturers range of 300 miles are now only getting 200 in this cold weather.

Heaven only knows what miles they'll be getting in Jan and March when the weather hits the low period.

Also, there's a tonne of EVs coming to the market by Q1,2025 so my advice is to only buy now if you really-really-really need one, otherwise; wait a couple of years and let this new technology get 'de-bugged and refined' before the reliable stuff hits the market.

I thought the majority used a small amount of available power to heat the batteries in cold weather.

 

[pappajohn]

I blame electric bikes for starting this scalextric cars crap

 

[Tony V]

Here's a sound bite for you all:

There's a whole host of charging networks and charge stations that have dropped out/failed in the SE/Tavistock area of the country today so there's now EVs having to be recovered because eight consecutive charge point locations are off-line.

It's OK trying to flood the market with new EVs but in reality the UK charge network is still crap and requires huge investment.

There is'nt a single public charge point within a 10 mile radius of where I live. My late partner's son [Tesla owner] came home to find someone jacked into his charge point. Needless to say it is now securely locked.

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[Guigsy]

There is'nt a single public charge point within a 10 mile radius of where I live. My late partner's son [Tesla owner] came home to find someone jacked into his charge point. Needless to say it is now securely locked.

We won't need public charge points like we need petrol stations.

 

[jongood]

We won't need public charge points like we need petrol stations.

I think we will if the current rate of " actually working" doesnt improve.

 

[tacr2man]

Does anyone have an idea what the convention costs are for a classic car turned to an electric one.

I wonder if that’s the way to go

Cheaper to buy a new Tesla

 

[Beltie]

As did the original Mini..

And many Fords, eg. 105E Anglia, Escort Mk 1 etc.

 

[Silver-Fox]

But you can still charge at home. Petrol stations were out nationwide a few weeks ago.

Not if you are too far from home.

With a petrol car you can get someone to drop off 5lts in a can.

Not so easy to transport a can of electricity

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[Guigsy]

Not if you are too far from home.

With a petrol car you can get someone to drop off 5lts in a can.

Not so easy to transport a can of electricity

If you're making a long trip, that's true.

But most people will keep their EVs topped up at home each night. So you're leaving each morning with a full 'tank'.

 

[Silver-Fox]

If you're making a long trip, that's true.

But most people will keep their EVs topped up at home each night. So you're leaving each morning with a full 'tank'.

I appreciate a lot will be short journeys but the way ev cars are being pushed there will come a day when it needs to be able to do 4 to 500 miles.

Then be re filled.

I can drive my diesel van 500 miles and fill it up and pay within 10 minutes.

I can’t see that happening any time soon with an ev.

Also it’s hard enough getting a parcel delivered to the outer reaches of Scotland.

What will happen to the poor soles when only ev are available

 

[Guigsy]

I appreciate a lot will be short journeys but the way ev cars are being pushed there will come a day when it needs to be able to do 4 to 500 miles.

Then be re filled.

I can drive my diesel van 500 miles and fill it up and pay within 10 minutes.

I can’t see that happening any time soon with an ev.

Also it’s hard enough getting a parcel delivered to the outer reaches of Scotland.

What will happen to the poor soles when only ev are available

You very rarely drive 500 miles in a day though.

 

[Blue Knight]

I thought the majority used a small amount of available power to heat the batteries in cold weather.

Yes, you mean the 'heat pump' system but the HP doesn't come with every car so the drive range takes a huge hit in the cold.

Example: The newly launched Hyundai Ioniq 5 comes in 3 Trim levels and you have to buy the most expensive spec'd car (Ultimate) and then add the tech pack (£1,600) plus the eco pack (£1,200) just to get the heat pump fitted.

This translates to a cost of £48,000 for a Hyundai Ioniq 5 before you can get a vehicle with a HP.

At this moment in time there's nothing cheap about electric cars.

 

[Silver-Fox]

You very rarely drive 500 miles in a day though.

I’ll give you that.

I would do around 250 in a day though in one of my previous jobs.
And that was out in the country side in Wales so probably little chance of seeing a charge station.

I just can’t see an ev being much use in the real world of work.

Time will tell though I suppose.

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[EuroTrotters]

I’ve just bought a 32,000 mile 8 seat Toyota Vellfire. 3.5 V6. Selectable 2WD/4WD

It can be used as a van, camper, car or people carrier.

£11,000

And I’ve got loads of money left over for petrol, even when we hit £2 a litre.

Electric cars are far too expensive

This Much

@ £2.50 a litre , 40,000 miles

Assuming all the electric cars have not consumed all the electric power and we cannot pump the gas.

 

[69473]

Skoda Enyaq heat pump fitted as standard in Scandinavia is a £1005 option in UK

 

[jongood]

I’ll give you that.

I would do around 250 in a day though in one of my previous jobs.
And that was out in the country side in Wales so probably little chance of seeing a charge station.

I just can’t see an ev being much use in the real world of work.

Time will tell though I suppose.

I happened across this and thought of your comments yesterday

RBW Electric Cars | Our Models | RBW Roadster

RBW Roadster, the best in classic car craftsmanship & technologies. High-quality patented components & race-winning EV engineering

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Lots of info on the page, even suggests that they dumped the crap standard suspension but doesnt quite get to the price of the car although they have an insurance company saying they can offer cover from £500-£1800 - ouch

 

[Puddleduck]

You very rarely drive 500 miles in a day though.

Not in a day but certainly in a "parents' care trip" over a few days with nowhere WORKING to charge up (as proven by your map).

In an emergency the last thing I would want to do is take the fully charged car from home, get to my parents and run around for them and have to spend time finding a working and available charger for the car (probably a distance from where I needed to be) and then have 30 minutes wait for it to recharge. In an emergency that 30 minutes can be life altering.

 

[carolyn]

We might be interested in this sort of thing as a second car. Nick does a lot of short journeys to golf in his 14 year old Fiesta. 5 miles each way. It has been so reliable but is starting to become costly and the battery in winter is a pain because of all the short journeys, he disconnects it now as even one of those mini solar panels wasn’t working enough. It’s good to have options.

The nice car is mine, don’t want his yucky muddy golf clubs in that!

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[robnchris]

You very rarely drive 500 miles in a day though.

But with my present diesel vehicle I can if I want to, the point that is being missed is the EV is being forced upon us, it's not a situation we can opted out of.
That map of Charging units you posted I have friends that drive EV's and the amount of times they tell me about arriving to charge they find a queue so the wait is longer, or the number of chargers not working, which apparently is quite a high number.
I don't buy into this you can charge at home theory, we have 4 cars on our driveway so unless we get 4 charge stations fitted someone isn't filling up, how about the family car scenario were the car arrives home and the next person wants to go out, oh sorry the battery is low you'll have to wait till it's charged, how long is that going to take on a home charger?
This whole oh in the future we'll be able to do, or Batteries are getting better, there will be more faster charge stations etc etc.
I for one am not willing to gamble on what might or not be in the future.

 

[Blue Knight]

But with my present diesel vehicle I can if I want to, the point that is being missed is the EV is being forced upon us, it's not a situation we can opted out of.
That map of Charging units you posted I have friends that drive EV's and the amount of times they tell me about arriving to charge they find a queue so the wait is longer, or the number of chargers not working, which apparently is quite a high number.
I don't buy into this you can charge at home theory, we have 4 cars on our driveway so unless we get 4 charge stations fitted someone isn't filling up, how about the family car scenario were the car arrives home and the next person wants to go out, oh sorry the battery is low you'll have to wait till it's charged, how long is that going to take on a home charger?
This whole oh in the future we'll be able to do, or Batteries are getting better, there will be more faster charge stations etc etc.
I for one am not willing to gamble on what might or not be in the future.

Yep, good post, very valid and accurate IMO.

 

[BillandHelen]

I happened across this and thought of your comments yesterday

RBW Electric Cars | Our Models | RBW Roadster

RBW Roadster, the best in classic car craftsmanship & technologies. High-quality patented components & race-winning EV engineering

rbwevcars.com

Lots of info on the page, even suggests that they dumped the crap standard suspension but doesnt quite get to the price of the car although they have an insurance company saying they can offer cover from £500-£1800 - ouch

They are from £90K, not too bad compared to a motorhome!!

 

[Garratt]

Very happy with mine. I can honestly say that I’d not go back to an ICE car having had this for four months. Used a Supercharger today, and as always, it worked first time perfectly.

 

[63720]

Reading that a Volvo EV takes 70k miles of use to recover the Co2 emitted during manufacture and if this is common across the board I'll help climate change by sticking to my diesel.

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