CAN'T AFFORD A TESLA

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Guigsy said:
So read past the clickbait headline. EVs have a higher foot print to make. But far lower in use. So over their lifetime, EVs are better for the environment.
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It states c70k miles or 9 years to recover the co2 by which time the batteries will probably need replacing and that's not yet been tested or included in the calculations or the costings. My car is about this condition now and doesn't need a complete new drivetrain. Also as battery technology moves on the next generation could make the current ones obsolete or not compatible. The best way to help the environment, yes I'm saying that, is to reduce our dependence on motor vehicles completely however they're powered, we spend £bs on road infrastructure to speed us to the next traffic queue and then we campaign to get another bottleneck fixed. Motoring is currently ridiculously cheap if you notice how many cars are around. IMO people should work where they live or move to their job. I remember reading in the press when a budget local airline ceased trading someone from the north east was worried about loosing their job because their daily commuter plane to Cornwall stopped flying, we are addicted to the commute, and school run and some even boast about how far they travel. Because journies by car are easy, comfortable and cheap people are migrating out of the towns and cities choosing to commute to and from the country and want better roads and more new housing - we should find better ways to work this out and road spending should be redirected into public transport. I like to walk, cycle or use the bus in preference to the car but the first one onto my town is at 10.40, what good is that to anyone?
Sorry rant over😁, 'appy days 👍
 
Sillious Sodus said:
It states c70k miles or 9 years to recover the co2 by which time the batteries will probably need replacing and that's not yet been tested or included in the calculations or the costings. My car is about this condition now and doesn't need a complete new drivetrain. Also as battery technology moves on the next generation could make the current ones obsolete or not compatible. The best way to help the environment, yes I'm saying that, is to reduce our dependence on motor vehicles completely however they're powered, we spend £bs on road infrastructure to speed us to the next traffic queue and then we campaign to get another bottleneck fixed. Motoring is currently ridiculously cheap if you notice how many cars are around. IMO people should work where they live or move to their job. I remember reading in the press when a budget local airline ceased trading someone from the north east was worried about loosing their job because their daily commuter plane to Cornwall stopped flying, we are addicted to the commute, and school run and some even boast about how far they travel. Because journies by car are easy, comfortable and cheap people are migrating out of the towns and cities choosing to commute to and from the country and want better roads and more new housing - we should find better ways to work this out and road spending should be redirected into public transport. I like to walk, cycle or use the bus in preference to the car but the first one onto my town is at 10.40, what good is that to anyone?
Sorry rant over😁, 'appy days 👍
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Down away from the headlines, it says between 30,000 and 68,400 miles and between four and nine years to make it back. It also says those numbers are coming down all the time as electricity gets greener.

I totally agree with everything you say. Motoring is very low cost, but massive impact. We need to reduce dependence on cars. But that would require a large change in attitudes and desired lifestyles.
 
Guigsy said:
Down away from the headlines, it says between 30,000 and 68,400 miles and between four and nine years to make it back. It also says those numbers are coming down all the time as electricity gets greener.

I totally agree with everything you say. Motoring is very low cost, but massive impact. We need to reduce dependence on cars. But that would require a large change in attitudes and desired lifestyles.
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Firstly the points I made in my previous post require addressing do you have a solution for them?

EV's are limited to shorter distance journeys, you have to wait for however long for the battery to recharge, you only charge it up to 80% capacity for two reasons, (a) to protect the life of the battery,
(b) it takes far longer to charge to 100%.
People that don't have off road parking can't recharge at home, How many 100's of thousands of people fall into that category?
The initial cost is prohibitive to a lot of people.

Second, the point about "Motoring being very low cost" to whom are you referring?
Is owning a motor vehicle going to be only for the select few?

How on earth are you going to reduce Britains dependency on the motorcar? the die was cast back in 1963 when the Father of Vehicle Dependency the short sighted Idiot Richard Beecham wrote his reports that brought about the closures of the railways and public transport.

Just think about the consequences of limited travel, how would people commute to work.
The powers that be decided that the town centre was not the place for people to shop so they moved everything out to the now dreadful shopping mall, people have to drive to get to these places.
What is your answer to people having their holidays, this is a Motorhome forum limited travel will stop all that.
Are you or anyone else going to sell up the Motorhome lifestyle and go camping on a pushbike, I think not.
 
robnchris said:
Firstly the points I made in my previous post require addressing do you have a solution for them?

EV's are limited to shorter distance journeys, you have to wait for however long for the battery to recharge, you only charge it up to 80% capacity for two reasons, (a) to protect the life of the battery,
(b) it takes far longer to charge to 100%.
People that don't have off road parking can't recharge at home, How many 100's of thousands of people fall into that category?
The initial cost is prohibitive to a lot of people.

Second, the point about "Motoring being very low cost" to whom are you referring?
Is owning a motor vehicle going to be only for the select few?

How on earth are you going to reduce Britains dependency on the motorcar? the die was cast back in 1963 when the Father of Vehicle Dependency the short sighted Idiot Richard Beecham wrote his reports that brought about the closures of the railways and public transport.

Just think about the consequences of limited travel, how would people commute to work.
The powers that be decided that the town centre was not the place for people to shop so they moved everything out to the now dreadful shopping mall, people have to drive to get to these places.
What is your answer to people having their holidays, this is a Motorhome forum limited travel will stop all that.
Are you or anyone else going to sell up the Motorhome lifestyle and go camping on a pushbike, I think not.
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We're up to roughly 100 miles of range being possible in 15 minutes of charge, and it's getting faster all the time... provided you're between about 20% and 80% of the battery's charge. But as you pointed out, it gets much slower as you near capacity. It may well be quicker to do two short charges than one long one. You're better off not using the full capacity of the battery. But even when I run all the way through the yellow low fuel light and range gets down to zero, I've still got 10 litres of diesel left, so how's that any different?

Motoring is too cheap. Yes, that was decided in the 1960s when the idea that every family would have a car and so railways weren't required. And since then, every time a road has filled up, we've just added more road. Only now do we realise that building more roads just makes more traffic, and designing our lives around ever increasing amounts of roads isn't a good solution. But it's going to take a long time to reverse the trends and policies of the last 60 years.

Where do motorhomes sit in this? We don't amount to masses of road miles. We don't commute to work or drive the kids to school. We tend to be flexible to avoid congestion where there's the worst pollution. But then motorhomes aren't particularly fuel efficient. In the same way that people still need to breathe and eat, which produces CO2, is a motorhome an acceptable way to holiday? I don't know. But it's not enemy No 1.
 

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