Banning pub stops??

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Just fell across this video from By The Curb - not someone I have ever watched before. He frequently goes to Bridlington, stays in pub stops. Has now discovered several bubs having been told cant take vans any more!!

Whilst we dont use pub stops i know a lot do. goodness knows what the issue is, just hope it doesnt spread.
 
We put our local village pub on Britstops and many vans did use it,
But in true Motorhome fashion 70% of visiting vans had a wife that was not well enough to come and have a drink!
After 3 years of FLTs he said F********* tight buggers ? and removed the stop over😳

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What a nanny state we live in, I was walking my dog on the beach earlier and it crossed my mind if I was allowed to be on this part of the beach at this time of the year and I just thought **ck it, my dog has as much right to be here than the law making humans that think they can dictate the rules. If a pub wants to allow motorhome to overnight, why shouldn't they? Back to the dog situation, maybe I should find another 11 Rhodesian Ridgebacks to team up with my wingman and chuck them in a room with 12 politicians and see what the rules of going on the beach end up as!

Sorry, it's been a tough day.
 
Langtoftlad said:
But it cost the pub nothing to be listed in the Britstops guide...
Is a 30% strike rate ie some extra revenue, a good or bad return on a free advert :unsure:
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Although you have that the wrong way around 30% spend 70% don’t I agree, they used the toilets and some used that water/ and dump facilities but still spent nothing.
So the land said the tight arsed FLBs can pass us by🤣
 
I think the only time we did not buy a meal was in a pub where they did not do food despite the book saying they did! As neither of us drink alcohol, spending the evening at the bar was never going to happen.

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meanders said:
I think the only time we did not buy a meal was in a pub where they did not do food despite the book saying they did! As neither of us drink alcohol, spending the evening at the bar was never going to happen.
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Well the simple answer is ?🤣
 
Two on Tour said:
Jim's recent thread on new rules concerning this and other sites covered this and was discussed.
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Most places listed by Britstops are not affected by the new interpretation of the legislation (other than if enforcement is to be more rigorous) because they never had exemption certificates anyway.
 
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GJH said:
Most places listed by Britstops are not affected by the new rules (other than if enforcement is to be more rigorous) because they never had exemption certificates anyway.
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I agree, the vast majority didn't have anything. But we've exempted quite a number Britstops who had planning problems, other clubs did too.

Over the last couple of years, a significant number of pubs, (obviously not all Britstops) took the exemption route, and they will have to think again now.
 
I would think pubs are slightly different than campsites or aires, their carpark is for people using the pub , much the same as if you go in a car, and you sit in your car all night when you come out , is that a crime?
But campsites and Aires are specifically for parking a living van of sorts and are charging just for the parking, no other service.
 
St3v3 said:
The only issue is when the car park is full and paying customers go somewhere else.
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If’s and buts?

The law of unintended consequences perhaps? Oh, great, free advertising and the possibility of extra trade ……..

Ian

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chaser said:
I would think pubs are slightly different than campsites or aires, their carpark is for people using the pub , much the same as if you go in a car, and you sit in your car all night when you come out , is that a crime?
But campsites and Aires are specifically for parking a living van of sorts and are charging just for the parking, no other service.
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Pub car parks, as with any business, are normally intended to attract customers. Several pubs in this area have had to introduce restrictions to stop non-customers parking (most often car sharers wanting to park for free whilst at work rather than anyone camping or general shopping).
As far as the camping legislation is concerned, though, there is no difference. It applies to all off-road land.
 
chaser said:
I would think pubs are slightly different than campsites or aires, their carpark is for people using the pub , much the same as if you go in a car, and you sit in your car all night when you come out , is that a crime?
But campsites and Aires are specifically for parking a living van of sorts and are charging just for the parking, no other service.
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There’s a strong legal argument to be made that motorhomes should not even come under the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 at all. A skilled barrister could challenge much of the Act’s application to motorhomes, starting with the very first line that sets out its purpose. After all, it can be reasonably argued that motorhomes are never truly "stationed" in the way the Act implies. And especially in a car park!

And this isn't just speculation, a respected barrister has said as much. All it would take is a few hundred thousand quid to win in court. (y)

for restricting the occasions on which caravans are stationed on the land for the purposes of human habitation, or the total number of caravans which are so stationed at any one time;
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Steve and Denise said:
We put our local village pub on Britstops and many vans did use it,
But in true Motorhome fashion 70% of visiting vans had a wife that was not well enough to come and have a drink!
After 3 years of FLTs he said F********* tight buggers ? and removed the stop over😳
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Surely the answer is to have a £10 parking fee, redeemable against any spending in the pub?

On a similar note: When we visited the Western Isles, we did a pub stop and reserved for dinner. Shortly before we were due to go in I was unwell so Julie asked if we could still stay over and maybe have breakfast in the morning if I felt better (they had accommodation as well hence the breakfast).

Well I did feel better and we had a huge Scottish breakfast each with coffees.

When it came to pay, the manager could not access the card machine so he rang the owners………………….. who told him to tell us that breakfast was free of charge!!!!

Amazing hospitality 👍👍👍👍👍👍
 
Steve and Denise said:
We put our local village pub on Britstops and many vans did use it,
But in true Motorhome fashion 70% of visiting vans had a wife that was not well enough to come and have a drink!
After 3 years of FLTs he said F********* tight buggers ? and removed the stop over😳
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If we stop at a pub stop. Its a guarantee that we will eat and drink there. 🍷🍻🥳
 
I still think that pubs are a different thing than campsites, they are only letting you park to eat or drink at there place, hardly any different than going to someones house and parking on there drive.

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Sue and Rick said:
If we stop at a pub stop. Its a guarantee that we will eat and drink there. 🍷🍻🥳
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I can only quote what happened at our local pub, The pub now has a new landlord who is very accommodating so I put it on S4S app but also advised a £10 refundable bar charge, but upto now nowhere near as many vans have stayed.
Shame as it’s a nice pub with good basic food
 
Jim said:
Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960
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I have looked at the Act briefly (I didn’t read the entire statute) and I agree it looks like it would be open to challenge in so far as it applies to motorhomes rather than caravans. I looked at the definition section and/or interpretation section (s32) and could see nothing that refers to motorhomes. The reference is to caravans.
Perhaps we could crowd-fund getting counsel’s opinion on whether the Act applies to motorhomes?

Maybe it is something the large clubs should be doing. After all, it affects their members.

Edit: Looking at this section: the words I’ve highlighted and italicised in bold; does not seem to properly describe a motorhome which is neither towed nor nor transported on a trailer.

Interpretation of Part I.​

(1)In this Part of this Act, unless the context otherwise requires—

  • “caravan” means any structure designed or adapted for human habitation which is capable of being moved from one place to another (whether by being towed, or by being transported on a motor vehicle or trailer) and any motor vehicle so designed or adapted, but does not include—

    (a)
    any railway rolling stock which is for the time being on rails forming part of a railway system, or
    (b)
    any tent;
 
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Surely a MH comes under the classification of

Ingwe said:
“caravan” means any structure designed or adapted for human habitation which is capable of being moved from one place to another (whether by being towed, or by being transported on a motor vehicle or trailer) and any motor vehicle so designed or adapted, but does not include—
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