Banning pub stops??

[chaser]

Look, I am not complaining about the price of a meal or a night out at a pub You can pay what you like , just saying the price of a bottle of wine is out of all proportion to what it costs.

 

[Steve and Denise]

In a pub recently £14 for a glass of wine, please to say daughter was paying and not me.

That must have been the same one we popped in at Dieppe robbery compared to Spain

 

[Steve and Denise]

Look, I am not complaining about the price of a meal or a night out at a pub You can pay what you like , just saying the price of a bottle of wine is out of all proportion to what it costs.

Well you do have a choice, it’s not compulsory

 

[gpat]

Beer is 70P a tin
Wine is £5 a bottle
There must be some equation somewhere

There is. It's called Mark up. It's too complicated to try and calculate it separately for every stock item. They will charge a std markup % for every stock item to cover overheads and make a profit.

They don't have to explain, they charge enough to cover their overheads and make a profit, it seems there is a lot of places not making a profit.

As an aside, I think the duty on a bottle of wine is well over £2.50. whereas, a pint is under 50p.

Correct. The duty factor is before mark up is added. Gets complicated when the duty become a % of the price. However since computers came along it's all sorted seamlessly for the landlord manager by the software they run.

 

[gpat]

In a pub recently £14 for a glass of wine, please to say daughter was paying and not me.

That's about the going rate in London these days.

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[chaser]

Well you do have a choice, it’s not compulsory

That's why I drink lager in UK pubs now.

 

[gpat]

That's why I drink lager in UK pubs now.

You are paying the same % mark up on your lager as you would pay for wine.

 

[Barriesimpson]

So implying all dog owners leave poo everywhere isn't rude or insulting? The 'yawn' was because this insult is regurgitated time and time again.
As a non EV owner, the only Range Anxiety I suffer is having enough poo bags in my pocket to cover the next dog walk.

Fortunately there are many dog owners just like you, and I applaud that behaviour. Unfortunately there are just as many who are not like you, and seem to think that their animals have a divine right to shit outside your van, house or wherever and could not care less. Until ALL dog owners learn that not all people are dog lovers, there will be no peace.

 

[Barriesimpson]

Well you do have a choice, it’s not compulsory

The normal mark-up on a bottle of wine is 100%. I honestly do not see that as excessive considering the glasses, washing up and, above all, the necessary storing of said wine. You can't just put it in a cupboard.

 

[chaser]

The normal mark-up on a bottle of wine is 100%. I honestly do not see that as excessive considering the glasses, washing up and, above all, the necessary storing of said wine. You can't just put it in a cupboard.

No it's usually standing on a shelf behind the bar.

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[Barriesimpson]

No it's usually standing on a shelf behind the bar.

That would be in low level pubs. If they appreciate wine and want to foment the business of customers who appreciate wine, they would have at least a wine cooler cabinet, or better, a wine cellar.

 

[chaser]

That would be in low level pubs. If they appreciate wine and want to foment the business of customers who appreciate wine, they would have at least a wine cooler cabinet, or better, a wine cellar.

That's what I am getting at , usually they haven't a clue what wine they have , it's either take it or leave it , whatever they have standing on the bar, but as much as they can ever charge for it.

 

[meanders]

Mark-up is rarely used in business in my experience but is often used by those wishing to simplify things, usually to try to demonstrate that someone is ripping people off. It's all about 'margin' and 'above and below the line'. There are several calculations of that margin both 'inc vat' or 'ex vat'.
Where:
SPI is selling price inc VAT
SPE is selling price ex VAT
CPI is cost inc VAT
CPE is cost ex VAT

The two common one are:

(SPI - CPE )/ SPI * 100.
(SPE - CPE)/SPE * 100.

However, there are other combinations in use so understanding how a business calculates it's margin is important especially when making comparisons between business.

There is also a thing called a rolling margin which can itself be inc or ex vat. This is the notional margin left in your stock assuming you sell it at the current selling price. Cost prices vary so what was £10 CPE last delivery might be £11 CPE this time around. If you bought in 100 in the first delivery, then sell 70, reorder another 100, your notional cost of stock is ((30 x £10 = £300) + (100 x £11 = £1100)) / 130 = £10.7692 {rounded). The rolling margin is then calculated on that notional cost. I have spent many happy hours unravelling things for buyers who cannot get their head around it when they want to express it as 130 at current cost and sell despite the fact 30 were bought at a higher or lower price. It gets a lot more complex when shrinkage (Theft), wastage (write off's), 3 for 2 offers etc.

 

[Barriesimpson]

That's what I am getting at , usually they haven't a clue what wine they have , it's either take it or leave it , whatever they have standing on the bar, but as much as they can ever charge for it.

I do understand that the UK are not known for wine connoisseurs to say the least. I talk from my experience in Spain, where all bars and restaurants have a selection of well looked after wines. However, I did find that in Northern Ireland they also tend to have wines properly cooled and kept, so not all is lost in the UK

 

[Barriesimpson]

Mark-up is rarely used in business in my experience but is often used by those wishing to simplify things, usually to try to demonstrate that someone is ripping people off. It's all about 'margin' and 'above and below the line'. There are several calculations of that margin both 'inc vat' or 'ex vat'.
Where:
SPI is selling price inc VAT
SPE is selling price ex VAT
CPI is cost inc VAT
CPE is cost ex VAT

The two common one are:

(SPI - CPE )/ SPI * 100.
(SPE - CPE)/SPE * 100.

However, there are other combinations in use so understanding how a business calculates it's margin is important especially when making comparisons between business.

There is also a thing called a rolling margin which can itself be inc or ex vat. This is the notional margin left in your stock assuming you sell it at the current selling price. Cost prices vary so what was £10 CPE last delivery might be £11 CPE this time around. If you bought in 100 in the first delivery, then sell 70, reorder another 100, your notional cost of stock is ((30 x £10 = £300) + (100 x £11 = £1100)) / 130 = £10.7692 {rounded). The rolling margin is then calculated on that notional cost. I have spent many happy hours unravelling things for buyers who cannot get their head around it when they want to express it as 130 at current cost and sell despite the fact 30 were bought at a higher or lower price. It gets a lot more complex when shrinkage (Theft), wastage (write off's), 3 for 2 offers etc.

Well yeah, we could talk about this all night and into tomorrow (while drinking wine, obviously) but hey, I really did just want to simplify it. So if the bottle costs 10, you sell it at 20. And I must insist, this does not seem exorbitant to me.

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[Langtoftlad]

usually they haven't a clue what wine they have , it's either take it or leave it , whatever they have standing on the bar

I think you do a lot of establishments a disservice Charlie, maybe back in the 70's

 

[Langtoftlad]

Who remembers the litre bottles of Hirondelle from their spotty yoof... or Piat D'or

When splashing out a bottle of Mateus Rosé

 

[chaser]

I think you do a lot of establishments a disservice Charlie, maybe back in the 70's

Last month we did a mini pub stop down south of England, we stopped at three different pubs, and we had the only bottle of wine they had in all of them, they ranged from £21 to £35. We couldn't have another as that was all they had got.

 

[chaser]

Our local pub doesn't have wine of any description.

 

[meanders]

Margins on prepared food and drink with service have always been higher than in a retailer. Costs including staffing, wastage, fuel costs etc push up the need make a decent margin on sales to return a profit.

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[Langtoftlad]

Last month we did a mini pub stop down south of England, we stopped at three different pubs, and we had the only bottle of wine they had in all of them, they ranged from £21 to £35. We couldn't have another as that was all they had got.

Perhaps it's the pubs you choose

 

[Barriesimpson]

Our local pub doesn't have wine of any description.

How sad.

 

[Jerrywh]

Fortunately there are many dog owners just like you, and I applaud that behaviour. Unfortunately there are just as many who are not like you, and seem to think that their animals have a divine right to shit outside your van, house or wherever and could not care less. Until ALL dog owners learn that not all people are dog lovers, there will be no peace.

This will never happen, so best get used to it. (and it's not only dog owners, either. Drivers, cyclists springs to mind)

 

[Lenny HB]

That must have been the same one we popped in at Dieppe robbery compared to Spain

In Findon village near Worthing.

 

[Steve and Denise]

In Findon village near Worthing.

Just as well your on southern pounds we’re still on the northern pounds 2 to 1 ratio

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[Barriesimpson]

This will never happen, so best get used to it. (and it's not only dog owners, either. Drivers, cyclists springs to mind)

I would like think you are mistaken, we can but dream.

 

[JustmeCC]

Just fell across this video from By The Curb - not someone I have ever watched before. He frequently goes to Bridlington, stays in pub stops. Has now discovered several bubs having been told cant take vans any more!!

Whilst we dont use pub stops i know a lot do. goodness knows what the issue is, just hope it doesnt spread.

It’s sour grapes thats the problem. You’ve got what they want!

 

[DerryW]

I've seen a lot of discussion on the legal definition of a Motorcaravan but seen nothing relating to how trucks with sleeper cabs fit in with this not to mention the transport cafes/parks who allow/charge for said trucks to overnight.

Very good point.

 

[GJH]

I would think that if you have a pub without exemption / memberships then they are now in breach of the law. As such that means no overnight stops. Very simple to police by DEFRA by simply asking which club has issued the exemption and checking membership numbers- as I understand the site/pub is supposed to keep a record of visitors staying overnight. DEFRA can also revoke exemption if they do wish to.
People staying on someone’s drive would be different in that they would not be there every night and DEFRA would not have time to do anything about it, nor would they be bothered by the odd stop. Unless someone complains they would be no wiser.

The pub is allowing a stay which comes under Para 2 (possibly three for larger sites) of the First Schedule to the Act.
Staying on someone's drive comes under Para 1 of the First Schedule.

I've seen a lot of discussion on the legal definition of a Motorcaravan but seen nothing relating to how trucks with sleeper cabs fit in with this not to mention the transport cafes/parks who allow/charge for said trucks to overnight.

Truck drivers - who have to rest at certain times by law, rather than having a choice like leisure drivers - come under separate legislation.

 

[TDub49]

I'm struggling to think of anything that the "big clubs" have done to further motorhomers and caravanners in general, that wasn't of primary benefit to the clubs first ?

Interesting take on things. If you are in a club, surely you would want the club to do well so you would expect it to be run for the members. Would it be in the members' interests (and hence the club's) to take a more altruistic view and try to enhance the wider context of motorhoming and caravanning? Sounds a bit like Typhoo advertising other teabags to increase tea drinkers generally rather than Typhoo drinkers specifically (and no, I don't drink Typhoo).

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