Banning pub stops??

[chaser]

When I have done pub stopovers we end up spending far more than we would in a hald decent campsite. Often typical pub grub is pretty poor and I could have knocked up something better on my hob in the motorhome. And certiany you'd get a better bottle of wine from the super market for less than half the price of a pub. So actually pub stops work out at poor value considering a campsite will give you a 24 hour toilets and showers - possibly electric too.

I will still use a pub if there isn't a decent alternative where i am.

That is something that gets me. The price of wine in pubs, you very rarely find a bottle for less than £20 when you know very well you could get the same bottle from Lidl for less than a fiver, it's got to the point now that I drink bitter or lager even though I would much rather have a glass of wine.

 

[Terry]

That is something that gets me. The price of wine in pubs, you very rarely find a bottle for less than £20 when you know very well you could get the same bottle from Lidl for less than a fiver, it's got to the point now that I drink bitter or lager even though I would much rather have a glass of wine.

Are pubs not allowed to make a profit to pay for staff etc,how much profit do you think is on a pint of beer ? If a pub charges £20 for a bottle of wine = 6 glasses - your £6 for the wine leaves £14. If they sold it to you by the glass probably £4 a glass = £24 less the £6 it costs leaves£18 profit on a bottle so your saving £4 when buying the bottle

 

[David and Sally]

Are pubs not allowed to make a profit to pay for staff etc,how much profit do you think is on a pint of beer ? If a pub charges £20 for a bottle of wine = 6 glasses - your £6 for the wine leaves £14. If they sold it to you by the glass probably £4 a glass = £24 less the £6 it costs leaves£18 profit on a bottle so your saving £4 when buying the bottle

Beer is the battle ground. A penny or two makes the difference to who walks in. Wine is less sensitive although Sally will drink beer rather than through the nose for wine.

 

[Jim]

The price of wine in pubs, you very rarely find a bottle for less than £20 when you know very well you could get the same bottle from Lidl for less than a fiver,

It's easy to look at a £5 Lidl bottle and think a pub is overcharging at £20, but there’s a lot more to that price than just the wine itself.

Pubs and restaurants have huge overheads; staff wages, including holidays and sicknes, employers taxes, business rates, rent (which can be eye-watering in some areas), electricity, insurance, licensing, and general upkeep. You're not just paying for the wine, you're paying for the atmosphere, service, heating, lighting, music, glasses, cleaning, and everything else that makes the experience enjoyable.

And even if the pub does make a profit on that bottle, a big chunk of the profit goes straight to the taxman — through VAT, alcohol duty, and corporation tax.

 

[chaser]

It's easy to look at a £5 Lidl bottle and think a pub is overcharging at £20, but there’s a lot more to that price than just the wine itself.

Pubs and restaurants have huge overheads; staff wages, including holidays and sicknes, employers taxes, business rates, rent (which can be eye-watering in some areas), electricity, insurance, licensing, and general upkeep. You're not just paying for the wine, you're paying for the atmosphere, service, heating, lighting, music, glasses, cleaning, and everything else that makes the experience enjoyable.

And even if the pub does make a profit on that bottle, a big chunk of the profit goes straight to the taxman — through VAT, alcohol duty, and corporation tax.

Maybe so but aren't they already paying that out of your meal.

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[Jim]

Maybe so but aren't they already paying that out of your meal.

I read somewhere that 6000 restaurants will go under this year, and that 10,000 restaurants that are still open are insolvent. Probably a 101 reasons why they are in such dire straights, but I don't think it's a very lucrative business for most.

 

[GJH]

Maybe so but aren't they already paying that out of your meal.

Surely, like any business, they hope to cover their overheads (and make a profit) from the totality of their sales, not just certain products. The only exception would be if there were a deliberate loss leader to generate sales of other, profitable, products.

 

[GJH]

I read somewhere that 6000 restaurants will go under this year, and that 10,000 restaurants that are still open are insolvent. Probably a 101 reasons why they are in such dire straights, but I don't think it's a very lucrative business for most.

I can't remember the figures but have seen a similar story. One problem seems to be the over abundance of restaurants as a result of so many opening in recent years. There is only so much which people (as a whole) can spend on luxuries.

 

[chaser]

Surely, like any business, they hope to cover their overheads (and make a profit) from the totality of their sales, not just certain products. The only exception would be if there were a deliberate loss leader to generate sales of other, profitable, products.

So how do they explain 1 and half pints of lager £8/9 same amount of wine £20/30

 

[Steve and Denise]

That is something that gets me. The price of wine in pubs, you very rarely find a bottle for less than £20 when you know very well you could get the same bottle from Lidl for less than a fiver, it's got to the point now that I drink bitter or lager even though I would much rather have a glass of wine.

I bought a bottle of wine in Lidl but people kept bumping in to me while I was sat in the isle drinking it, but it was cheap

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[David and Sally]

We have many restaurants and take aways. Too many I think. Four Nepalese or Indian within 50 yds of each other. And they are not cheap anymore.

 

[Terry]

So how do they explain 1 and half pints of lager £8/9 same amount of wine £20/30

Errr wine £6 a bottle = 1pint — 4 pints of beer £5 supermarket prices — not much change from £20 for 4 pints

 

[westhamman]

It's not something you think about or should I say I think about, a smallish but busy cafe in Romford, it doesn't pretend to be posh more spit and sawdust, on a Sunday morning it has 3 waitresses a couple of cooks and at least 1 other member of staff how much are staff costing and if its rain8ng how many less customers. Maybe my £7.50 breakfast with coffee isn't so expensive.

 

[chaser]

I am not saying anything about what they charge for the meals and that that's up to them but it always seems to me they are making considerable more out of wine than other stuff and they try to cover it up by saying it's something special and it isn't.

 

[Steve and Denise]

So how do they explain 1 and half pints of lager £8/9 same amount of wine £20/30

Beer is 70P a tin
Wine is £5 a bottle
There must be some equation somewhere

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[Steve and Denise]

I am not saying anything about what they charge for the meals and that that's up to them but it always seems to me they are making considerable more out of wine than other stuff and they try to cover it up by saying it's something special and it isn't.

Buy an uncooked breakfast from a supermarket £2 or £8 cooked in a cafe ?

 

[Jim]

So how do they explain 1 and half pints of lager £8/9 same amount of wine £20/30

They don't have to explain, they charge enough to cover their overheads and make a profit, it seems there is a lot of places not making a profit.

As an aside, I think the duty on a bottle of wine is well over £2.50. whereas, a pint is under 50p.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Historically pubs used to make their money by selling beer & other drinks.
Then people stopped going out to drink... drink drive laws, health concerns, supermarket sales etc
...so pubs diversified into selling meals as a way of returning to profit.
The current economic climate means higher costs, fewer customers, skilled staff shortages.

Biggest joke in the hospitality industry is when punters say they will run a pub when they retire.

 

[jezport]

Not really. While it's £20 value to the customer it's at 'cost' to the pub.

Typo, should be £10 voucher.

 

[PsychoticBadger]

Jim...does “Get a life”, “Grow up”, “That’s stupid/silly/pathetic/crap/bullshit”...when you're talking about yourself? because all that occured to me about myself...often...

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[meanders]

Being kind to yourself allows you to be kind to others. We all tell ourselves how silly we are on occasion, and rarely when I have posted duff info, I think I have posted that I am a first class plonker or the like, but do it too often and you will forget to put it targeted clearly at yourself and leave it generic meaning you will breach rule 1 so is best avoided.

 

[Northernraider]

The campsites especially the big clubs don't want anyone in a caravan or motorhome staying anywhere else than their overpriced sites .

And they're big enough to have influence .

Mass boycott of them Is the way to go.

 

[Northernraider]

Quite agree. I've been saying for a while now that life is becoming more unpleasant and stressful generally due to all the rules and petty bureaucracy and general lunacy. We didnt have to worry about much in the eighties. We had free speech and you could drive without worrying about straying a few miles an hour over the speed limit. No net zero rubbish. I could go on but I won't

If the majority obey every rule created blindly without question. Then more rules and more restrictions of freedom will follow.

Who is a government bar an elected cabinet by the people .

If the people keep blindly putting clowns in charge of the circus then the circus won't change.


I prefer to live by morals and not laws

I don't kill or steal not because its illegal but because it goes against my morals.

Not blindly following parking restrictions or no motorhome signs etc doesn't go against my morals so I chose to ignore those with a clear conscious.

Councils, politicians etc ....all self serving . Most don't give a toss about the common people.

 

[robnchris]

We are always amazed how people complain about the cost of wine in a pub or restaurant .
Jim is 100% correct you aren't paying for the wine but everything else that goes with it.
For example, how much would an 8oz quality cut of Fillet Steak cost at a reputable butchers probably around £10 to £12, now that in a restaurant is going to cost you £35+. ok you will get a sauce, some sort of potato and veg.
Last week we ate in a very high end Mediterranean Restaurant, Squid starters Lobster, Fillet Steaks and Lamb as the main courses. No desserts, though Three bottles of wine one White and two Red plus coffees.
Now then was the evening worth the cost, well most certainly it was, as Jim said in the price we had the most excellent service, the ambience and setting was perfect for our evening, the food was a delight and the wine excellent.
The wine was served in expensive Riedel Glasses which it doesn't matter if you agree or not but it adds to the experience, the Red Wine Decanter was also a Riedel Mamba which alone would cost £500 (we know because we have one).
Obviously you wouldn't eat out like that every week but for that occasion when you feel like being spoilt we believe it's worth it, we would rather pay for an expensive meal and have it right than pay £50 and be disappointed.

 

[olley]

The cost doesn't bother me, it's the convenience. Take the Wheatsheaf pub on the old Wolverhampton road, just off the end of the m6 toll road.
Turn up when you like, leave when you like, none of this "you have to be off site by 10" 2 mins from the M6, takes any size.
Nice meal bottle of wine, then wander back to the RV, stress free.
If you don't want to pay so much then go to one of the small sites and pay £12-£15 to stay, drink your £5 bottle of wine and cook your own £3-5 meal from Tesco's.

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[Gaston aires]

If we stop at a pub stop. Its a guarantee that we will eat and drink there.

It might be for you but there’s many that wouldn’t. I don’t blame them for making a refundable charge.
Phil upmeplate

 

[GJH]

So how do they explain 1 and half pints of lager £8/9 same amount of wine £20/30

The alcohol level in wine is higher than lager so the duty is more. Ergo the price is higher.

 

[westhamman]

I cannot see the harm in pubs or whoever opening their car parks for people to park as long as its not to the detriment of other people, why stop Clarkson (diddly farm) from turning his field into a carpark so that his farm can be profitable. We are however not able to live by our morals as many people out there don't have any so we have rules and laws, new rules required because more people refuse or fail to be reasonable.

 

[GJH]

I cannot see the harm in pubs or whoever opening their car parks for people to park as long as its not to the detriment of other people, why stop Clarkson (diddly farm) from turning his field into a carpark so that his farm can be profitable. We are however not able to live by our morals as many people out there don't have any so we have rules and laws, new rules required because more people refuse or fail to be reasonable.

Identifying and preventing harm/detriment was the driver for the legislation 65 years ago and the same is true today.
It is quite illuminating to read the Hansard record of the second reading of the bill all those years ago: https://api.parliament.uk/historic-...r/24/caravan-sites-and-control-of-development

 

[Lenny HB]

In a pub recently £14 for a glass of wine, please to say daughter was paying and not me.

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