90 days or more in Europe

[Brakers]

In the link I provided in my last post it says that Croatia will probably join the Schengen area in 2020 so even if it was a way round it, it will no longer be.
Best Wishes Tony

 

[busby]

I think it would start from 1st November, I mean yes with a lot of detective work they could trace where you've been but without investigating they don't know if you've been in the Shengen zone all the time.
I mean for instance I came over in January but who's to say I've not spent that time in Albania Montenegro and Croatia. Yes they could investigate and prove I hadn't but are they really going to do that with every British vehicle that turns up at a port on 1st November?
I wouldn't have thought so , I reckon all changes would take effect from the day we left.

But who knows our goverment isn't exactly doing there best to leave on friendly terms

Mainly because the EU are treating us like lepers. They are worried about the financial repurcussons without us.BUSBY.?

 

[busby]

Nobody does but that's how it's usually viewed , if you don't care enough to vote you don't want things to change.

Anyway like I said we ain't allowed to discuss it.

Or cannot be arses Many people are not really interested.BUSBY??

 

[Northernraider]

Edited

 

[Northernraider]

Edited

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[PhilandMena]

Schengen-calculator

 

[PhilandMena]

https://ec.europa.eu/assets/home/visa-calculator/docs/short_stay_schengen_calculator_user_manual_en.pdf

 

[busby]

Of course they are ...That's why they've offered several deals and bent over backwards to accomdate us!

Oh wait ....they havent ?

Deals you must be joking,, your having a laf.. Bit like me offering you £50 for your van,,it's a deal but it's laughable..BUSBY.??

 

[busby]

Of course they are ...That's why they've offered several deals and bent over backwards to accomdate us!

Oh wait ....they havent ?

Daft comment comes to mind.Your words.BUSBY??

 

[Northernraider]

Edited as my mum said you can't argue with gamon.
Time to ignore thread I think

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[Marty Gilly and Pup]

Hmmm good idea for Andorra. 91 days of skiing! If only there was anywhere to park in Andorra this would be a brilliant plan lol

 

[Marty Gilly and Pup]

Am just thinking this issue through regarding dipping out of the Schengen for 90 days while on a longer or full time trip and then returning. I can see situations where for family emergency or other reasons, someone might need to return home after say 88 days. You wouldn’t be able to get back from Croatia or Morocco in the 2days left to you in the EU so the only option would be a direct flight back leaving the Moho wherever. Although probably not common, it would undoubtedly occur for someone with drastic consequences perhaps. We basically need Belgium to leave too, methinks.

 

[busby]

Am just thinking this issue through regarding dipping out of the Schengen for 90 days while on a longer or full time trip and then returning. I can see situations where for family emergency or other reasons, someone might need to return home after say 88 days. You wouldn’t be able to get back from Croatia or Morocco in the 2days left to you in the EU so the only option would be a direct flight back leaving the Moho wherever. Although probably not common, it would undoubtedly occur for someone with drastic consequences perhaps. We basically need Belgium to leave too, methinks.

After all this discussion I think at the end of the day no one really knows what is going to happen so why worry whatever will be will be.BUSBY.??

 

[Malcolm Bolt]

In one!

Ian

Probably

 

[vwalan]

Am just thinking this issue through regarding dipping out of the Schengen for 90 days while on a longer or full time trip and then returning. I can see situations where for family emergency or other reasons, someone might need to return home after say 88 days. You wouldn’t be able to get back from Croatia or Morocco in the 2days left to you in the EU so the only option would be a direct flight back leaving the Moho wherever. Although probably not common, it would undoubtedly occur for someone with drastic consequences perhaps. We basically need Belgium to leave too, methinks.

thats why it might be better to only do say 85 days in the eu .
if i was going to morocco , first do 44 days in the eu. then your 90 days in morocco then finish your time in the eu.
mind even going to morocco etc best cut it one day short just so they cant get you.
i do know folk thats been in prison there for being a few days over time.

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[tony_g]

I apologise if anything I am about to say has already been covered. 1) Because the UK is an EU member, currently, we enjoy complete freedom of movement within the EU, Schengen or otherwise. It is not a question of enforcing the 90 day rule. It simply does not apply to UK nationals. 2) Similarly, there are no visa regulations with which to comply. We enjoy unlimited visiting access. Of course, other considerations may arise if we wish to establish residency in individual countries but I assume we are talking about normal touring here. 3) However, removing ourselves from the EU changes our status to that of "third country", removes our freedom of movement and puts us on a par with any non EU country like the US Australia etc. Then, your passport will be stamped with an entry to Schengen date and the date you leave. If more than 90 days have elapsed there will be questions. Some countries, it seems, may not be fussed (maybe not Portugal but no direct route out of Portugal to UK). Nederland's definitely cares. Plenty of reports of "third country" nationals having heavy fines for overstaying and passports stamped denying re-entry for a period. Dodging in and out of Schengen on a European trip, e.g. Slovenia into Croatia or out into Serbia and then into Bulgaria before going into Greece, would extend a stay in Europe but there is no word yet about individual visa requirements for non Schengen EU countries for UK nationals. 4) In my estimation, it is nothing to do with countries exercising discretion as to who they apply the rules to. "Oh surely not me, innocent retired motorhomer granny"? It is just the normal rules when as a nation you coolly and calmly decide to remove free access for the people of 27 other nations, in the club of which you are a member and then express surprise when you lose the reciprocal freedoms when you leave.

 

[tacr2man]

I am not surprised , normal enough international practice . I think people will soon get used to whatever the rules are and act accordingly .

 

[Malcolm Bolt]

I am not surprised , normal enough international practice . I think people will soon get used to whatever the rules are and act accordingly .

You mean like staying cold for half of winter.

I don't know why people are hanging their hats on 'non Schengen' european countries they are all cold in winter too.

 

[Shrimp]

Bit cheeky of them to be honest , it's your money to spend where you like.

No, unfortunately not my money!
My Pension is mine I earned it but I didn’t get enough as half the time I wasn’t in jobs that paid my ‘stamp’ so the government ‘very kindly’ make the pension up with this Credit thing!
So if I step out of line they can take it away.
If you don’t wok in a job that pays your paye (or whatever it is nowadays) or you are self employed and don’t pay it-all your working life you won’t get a full State Pension!

I wouldn't worry about it. You don't see many notifying them they are in hospital for more than 6 weeks or cancelling there doctors when going abroad for more then 3 months.
I take it by pension credit you mean it has been increased using the " minimum income guarantee (pension) " If so they did away with it for new claimanats on 6th May & all is under 'Universal credit ' now. It also prevents anyone on the basic state pension claiming the MIG for a younger spouse.

Yes it is Universal Credit now but they left me on Pension Credit-same thing basically.

 

[gus-lopez]

I am not surprised , normal enough international practice . I think people will soon get used to whatever the rules are and act accordingly .

Trouble is most in authority don't even know what the rules are ,especially for cases out of the ordinary.
I can see them wanting to put a 'stamp' in my passport , which isn't the rule nor would it be legal, as I have a Brit passport, but because I am a permanent spanish resident probably be travelling on a spanish identity card ,using a spanish plated vehicle & driving licence , it isn't hard to see most won't have a clue.
It's hard enough now finding someone in authority in any country that actually knows what the rules are.

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[BriannYe]

Up to now most of us when travelling to France by ferry are usually just waved through by the French border control at Dover. In effect they wont have arrival dates into the schengen area on their system as they have not scanned your passport. So for any people already in the Schengen area they will not know when you arrived. If we leave on the 31st then I assume the 90 days will apply. So those that are already there will have 90 days before having to leave.

 

[vwalan]

Up to now most of us when travelling to France by ferry are usually just waved through by the French border control at Dover. In effect they wont have arrival dates into the schengen area on their system as they have not scanned your passport. So for any people already in the Schengen area they will not know when you arrived. If we leave on the 31st then I assume the 90 days will apply. So those that are already there will have 90 days before having to leave.

i havnt used a dover ferry for years . but does the uk side scan your passport on joining the line or not.certainly at plymouth or portsmouth your passport is scanned as you join the ferry line.
its then on line for all eu customs or what ever to see.

 

[BriannYe]

i havnt used a dover ferry for years . but does the uk side scan your passport on joining the line or not.certainly at plymouth or portsmouth your passport is scanned as you join the ferry line.
its then on line for all eu customs or what ever to see.

Yes the ferry operators scan your passport. But I was under the impression that was for uk border agency requirements. Two years ago we ran into trouble leaving the schengen area between Slovenia and Croatia as my wife's passport (a non eu passportholder) had not been scanned by the French border control but had been scanned by P&O

 

[2657]

Berthed at Roscoff from Cork a few weeks ago and all passports were scanned.

 

[Val 3 dogs]

How do you get around the driving UK registered vehicle part ?

For instance I'd like to buy a small plot of land in Portugal for a winter base , but if I apply as a resident I can't then drive my motorhome in Portugal as it's UK registered

As you know Tam, I've taken up residencey in Spain and re-registered my Moho on Spanish plates . It is an 05 vehicle and reregistering cost me €1800.
I am also signed up on the Spanish health system.
I no longer have family in the UK so my only reason to return is visiting friends. I believe as a UK passport holder I can drive my foreign registered vehicle (my Moho) in the UK for upto90 days per year .
Sadly I have to say, I have no wish to spend any longer in what I once considered my home country.
I appreciate that as a pensioner without a UK family life is simpler for me. Maybe you need to buy your plot, put a caravan on it and "conmute" to and fro for family and work commitments.

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[vwalan]

cant help you on that one all i know is i was shown all my in,s nd outs for years on the scanning place in santander. it showed all my ins /outs to morocco etc plus m,bike trips in the summers to france etc.
plus my new and old passport pics etc .

 

[gus-lopez]

I believe as a UK passport holder I can drive my foreign registered vehicle (my Moho) in the UK for upto90 days per year .

No you can actually be in their with vehicle for 6 months before it would normally require re-registering.

 

[jumartoo]

As you know Tam, I've taken up residencey in Spain and re-registered my Moho on Spanish plates . It is an 05 vehicle and reregistering cost me €1800.
I am also signed up on the Spanish health system.
I no longer have family in the UK so my only reason to return is visiting friends. I believe as a UK passport holder I can drive my foreign registered vehicle (my Moho) in the UK for upto90 days per year .
Sadly I have to say, I have no wish to spend any longer in what I once considered my home country.
I appreciate that as a pensioner without a UK family life is simpler for me. Maybe you need to buy your plot, put a caravan on it and "conmute" to and fro for family and work commitments.

My understanding is, but don't shoot me if wrong, is as a Brit, that you can go back to the UK with no limit, except for the time you shouldnt be out of Spain (6 months if not a permanent resident).

The limits will be on visiting the other EU countries which, if it can be policed, will be for 90 days.

I hope someone with the definitive information will come on and prove me right or wrong.

 

[Val 3 dogs]

Thanks for the info, I'm in no rush to get out of Spain anyway.
Querida will be having her first rabies injection, her microchip and passport this week, then depending on what happens re EU both dogs may need blood tests and last but by no means least, I don't want to be back in the UK during the winter.
One way or another I have plenty of time to find out what the regulations are for driving the camper in the UK.

 

[gus-lopez]

My understanding is, but don't shoot me if wrong, is as a Brit, that you can go back to the UK with no limit, except for the time you shouldnt be out of Spain (6 months if not a permanent resident).

The limits will be on visiting the other EU countries which, if it can be policed, will be for 90 days.

I hope someone with the definitive information will come on and prove me right or wrong.

Yes that is correct except that any vehicle can only remain for 6 months

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