90 days or more in Europe

Personally I think that the miles and miles of motorways leading to the British ports chocker block with rotting vegetables which of coarse we in Britain will be desperate for will be of far more concern to the EU authorities than holding uk citizens up to check the validity of their 90 day entitlement.

If that is not the case then the EU deserve to be "hoisted by there own petard" and we in Britain will have total vindication for our decision to leave.
 
Hagstrom said:
As I understand it, the new EU computer database logs entries into/out of the EU by logging passports at the EU border crossing points and, if a logical person had designed the application, it would automatically flag up any passports breaching the 90-day rule as they re-passed through passport control.

Wouldn't it be good if Andorra were sunnier, a little further south, nearer the sea and at a lower altitude as it isn't a member of the EU and isn't in the Schengen Area Agreement so all stays there would not count against the 90 days. I don't believe a defence that, if when challeneged about overstaying, you claimed you had been in Andorra for a couple of the overstaying months, would be accepted!

Its also a pity that Gibralter is too cramped to accommodate an Aire! Looks like Morocco is the only viable alternative if you're seeking to extend your winter stay beyond 90 days.
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What about Croatia, Bosnia, Bulgaria non are at present a Schengen state so I believe
 
Brakers said:
In the link I provided in my last post it says that Croatia will probably join the Schengen area in 2020 so even if it was a way round it, it will no longer be.
Best Wishes Tony
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Only saw the link after I posted??‍♂️
 
barsteward said:
Personally I think that the miles and miles of motorways leading to the British ports chocker block with rotting vegetables which of coarse we in Britain will be desperate for will be of far more concern to the EU authorities than holding uk citizens up to check the validity of their 90 day entitlement.

If that is not the case then the EU deserve to be "hoisted by there own petard" and we in Britain will have total vindication for our decision to leave.
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I will be able to consider that point when I am waiting for the veg to arrive on my empty plate.
 
having been 'put right' my some knowledgable members on here (thats a genuine thanks, not a sarcastic comment) on the validity of travel and how the calculator works, i wonder if we become a 'third country' - will it be on the same favourable terms of some other 'third countries' (not sure what is exactly meant by the phrase 'third country' though) as that calculation is totally different i understand?

i would also add a comment that if the sticking points do revolve around the irish border, then there are going to be far more problems with the 90/180 day rule to sort out ....
 
MisterB said:
i would also add a comment that if the sticking points do revolve around the irish border, then there are going to be far more problems with the 90/180 day rule to sort out ....
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But previous threads on this have degenerated into personal abuse so Jim has forbidden us to discuss them.

90/180 is definitely MH related, so acceptable, although you will have noticed some Funsters being moderated for their comments.

Enjoy what you can - Gordon
 
At the end of the day we are all at the mercy of the politicians, it doesn't matter how much we speculate or try and predict the future none of us know for sure.

Like it or not we will all have to adjust to whatever rules are or are not brought in nothing is insurmountable and we will get used to a different way of planning.
 
MisterB said:
having been 'put right' my some knowledgable members on here (thats a genuine thanks, not a sarcastic comment) on the validity of travel and how the calculator works, i wonder if we become a 'third country' - will it be on the same favourable terms of some other 'third countries' (not sure what is exactly meant by the phrase 'third country' though) as that calculation is totally different i understand?

i would also add a comment that if the sticking points do revolve around the irish border, then there are going to be far more problems with the 90/180 day rule to sort out ....
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That will depend entirely on what type of deal we eventually agree at the end of the transition period. We could agree more favourable terms than the 90/180 rule. Remember, the current deal is only to get to the transition period and the real talks about the future relationship. We’ve a long way to go til it’s settled permanently...
 
The stated position is that the 90/180 rule will apply if no deal is the end result.

If there is a deal then my understanding is that the rule may still apply but is subject to confirmation.

In light of the above I think it is perfectly reasonable to discuss tactics, forewarned is forearmed

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A member on another forum, who lives in Spain, has just posted that he has been told that as from November 1st vehicles will be issued with a sticker (to go in windscreen) which states date of entry into EU. If found still within EU after designated time limit, then a fine is issued and transport will be required to remove vehicle. He was told this by his son who is a member of the police force in Spain.
 
dalspa said:
A member on another forum, who lives in Spain, has just posted that he has been told that as from November 1st vehicles will be issued with a sticker (to go in windscreen) which states date of entry into EU. If found still within EU after designated time limit, then a fine is issued and transport will be required to remove vehicle. He was told this by his son who is a member of the police force in Spain.
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That's interesting as it would not work under the rolling 180 day mechanism on the schengen calculator.
 
Manxcat said:
That's interesting as it would not work under the rolling 180 day mechanism on the schengen calculator.
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Yes it would. If you leave and then re-enter you would get a new sticker with a later date.
 
This would seem to indicate that it may not just be the immigration authorities at the points of entry and exit who will be policing the scheme. Local/national police will also be able to play their part.:cautious:
 
DBK said:
Yes it would. If you leave and then re-enter you would get a new sticker with a later date.
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Not if it states the date of entry, since it can't account for how many days you might already have been in the zone within the previous 180 days.

What if the vehicle re-enters with a different driver?

Sounds a bit urban mythical to me!

Unless it is nothing to do with Schengen visitor rules but is a crackdown by Spain on misuse of foreign registered vehicles by residents etc.

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Deneb said:
Not if it states the date of entry, since it can't account for how many days you might already have been in the zone within the previous 180 days.

What if the vehicle re-enters with a different driver?

Sounds a bit urban mythical to me!
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It probably is a myth but it would work if all it did was draw attention to those vehicles which had over-stayed. It's the records recorded on computers about individual passports which will be definitive.
 
Northernraider said:
Perhaps but it seems a lot of detective work unless they want you for something else. I mean I've not been on a single toll road or campsite , I may have passed the odd cctv or anpr camera here and there but not many as I tend to be on all the minor roads , of course I've bought petrol and shopping etc so my credit card would show my locations
But not sure they would go to all that hassle with every UK van 're entering UK.
They might but seems unlikely
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Think it will all be calculated at passport control on entering Eu and leaving Eu.
A pity really but there you go,
 
busby said:
Mainly because the EU are treating us like lepers. They are worried about the financial repurcussons without us.BUSBY.?
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I thought it was our choice to become a third country , when we left . They take control of their borders , just as we take control of ours.
 
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Manxcat said:
The stated position is that the 90/180 rule will apply if no deal is the end result.

If there is a deal then my understanding is that the rule may still apply but is subject to confirmation.

In light of the above I think it is perfectly reasonable to discuss tactics, forewarned is forearmed
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The IOM is not in the UK or the EU so how would things change for IOM residents?
 
For the purposes of travel the IOM is the same as the UK. Its complicated but essentially we are considered to be the same in most respects. Of course that may change post Brexit but the current assumption is that we will inherit the same travel rules as a UK resident.

My posts are based as if I were a UK resident.

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It’s amazing they can stop Motorhome and cars etc for overstaying yet can’t keep illegals out ,couldn’t make this bunch of pen pushers up ?
 
Rob Hammond said:
It’s amazing they can stop Motorhome and cars etc for overstaying yet can’t keep illegals out ,couldn’t make this bunch of pen pushers up ?
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Ah but we are not arriving in France by sneaking our Motorhomes off of a dingy and up the beaches at night.

I’d suggest it will be a LOT easier to control length of stay of people arriving via normal borders, and thus why we will be easy targets.

If you voted for B..... then you’ll get what you voted for, if you didn’t then it’s more than a big disappointment. ?
 
dalspa said:
A member on another forum, who lives in Spain, has just posted that he has been told that as from November 1st vehicles will be issued with a sticker (to go in windscreen) which states date of entry into EU. If found still within EU after designated time limit, then a fine is issued and transport will be required to remove vehicle. He was told this by his son who is a member of the police force in Spain.
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Are we now talking about two different issues - people and / or vehicles.

Most of the discussion in the thread so far has been about people and the 90/180 day rule.

But, as I understand, it is not the same rule for vehicles.

For example, in Spain (or any other EU country), a foreign registered vehicle can not be used on the road for more than 180 days in any 12 month period.

Our van entered Spain at the beginning of October and is now stored in a commercial garage at Alicante Airport. Meanwhile, we are back in the UK, having returned by plane yesterday.

We will be going backwards and forwards by air through the winter (keeping within the 90/180 day rule); and will take the van out of Spain at the end of March to drive it back to the UK - so it will have been there for 6 months (180 days).
 
ShaKen said:
Ah but we are not arriving in France by sneaking our Motorhomes off of a dingy and up the beaches at night.

I’d suggest it will be a LOT easier to control length of stay of people arriving via normal borders, and thus why we will be easy targets.

If you voted for B..... then you’ll get what you voted for, if you didn’t then it’s more than a big disappointment. ?
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If they sneaked about like this, they would be caught.
In Spain its compulsory to carry ID, when people rent our apartment we have to register anyone over 16, same as a hotel, the camperstop and campsites we use we have to show ID, when we free camp probably with the police have a drive by, they take note, as they like to know who is here. ? Bob.

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Does anyone know what the proposed rules, if any are under the boris Brexit deal?
 
Northernraider said:
So really it was a pointless post then.

This is the problem how people then get accused of being argumentative.
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Do honestly think you’re being a bit negative. And for you’re statement about the amount of GB vans about or as you say lack of them. Ime in Portugal at the moment and met and seen loads. On a aire in Pêra got to be 20/25% GB plates and even brits in Portuguese vans
 
Manxcat said:
Does anyone know what the proposed rules, if any are under the boris Brexit deal?
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Schengen Visa and 90 days in 180 day period, higher travel insurance, higher vet fees, international driving licence, etc etc.

But we will "save" 34p a day and have blue passports (made in France).
 
Paddywack said:
Schengen Visa and 90 days in 180 day period, higher travel insurance, higher vet fees, international driving licence, etc etc.

But we will "save" 34p a day and have blue passports (made in France).
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Thought that would be the case, bit of a bugger for me!

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