2030 no new diesel vans. What's your plan?

I know the law and practice it! if it really is for you only and not a business then no, you do not need one,
Oh and the Navara,

22/09/2018 07:47FailMileage:
75,086 miles
+ 8,257 miles travelled since last MOT.
Refusal Notices
  • Offside rear vehicle structure corroded to the extent that the rigidity of the assembly is significantly reduced (6.1.1 (c) (i)) - Major
Half the story as usual. It went to Spain and now has a new chassis. That’s a good thing but you would never want to put that. They also gave a brand new one for 10 months at no cost to me to use whilst it was being rebuilt. You probably wouldn’t want to quote that either.
All companies have things go wrong, it’s how they deal with it that determines whether any good or not.
 
Looks nice, was it very expensive?
thats the MG EV that you can buy for around 20k.
This is mine below Vauxhall Corsa e elite nav.
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Yes but I can't afford one neither can you, I have a £1000 car, people I work with run cars costing a few hundred quid.

If they come down to affordable levels second hand that's the only way myself and people I know will be able to have one.

Would love one though a bit the same as would have loved to have just bought a heat pump but £17000 so we just got another oil boiler

At the minute it's a case of save the planet" But only if your stinking rich"
I am about as far from being stinking rich as you can get, yes asset rich but cash poor.
 
You know what he meant. :doh:

When people resort to sophistry to try to win an argument it undermines their own position.
Oh no Gromett If you claim something costs nowt and acutely cost the best part of £30-£40k clearly it is not free and there is no argument to be had. If you buy an ice car for £17k it’s unlikely you are going to spend the best part of £13-£23k on fuel over the next decade so I was not arguing for or against just pointing out it’s not Free
 
2030 will still allow plug in hybrid diesel vehicles. 2035vwill be electric only.
Fiat already have some BEV but more tailored around a city delivery van, low top speed and i think around 180 mile range.

By 2035 there will be some very nice BEV and the ability to use the battery pack to run the vehicle when parked up opens up a wide range of silent wild camping experiences.

The charging infrastructure will be much improved by then and hopefully 800V or higher batteries will allow speedy recharging.

Me - I'm really looking forward to it 🙂

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Does that mean there will be no fuel retailed after this date? Our vans along with vintage and historic vehicles have a pretty long life if well looked after, I don't think we need to panic.
No not at all.
Typical vehicles last 14 years in the UK hence the introduction of
2030 no ICE only must be at least hybrid
2035 only new electric vehicles to be sold
Existing cars will still be allowed to be used (but some cities may have local restrictions)
 
No not at all.
Typical vehicles last 14 years in the UK hence the introduction of
2030 no ICE only must be at least hybrid
2035 only new electric vehicles to be sold
Existing cars will still be allowed to be used (but some cities may have local restrictions)
I did read Toyota will still manufacture Hybrid until 2035, whilst Tesla get al the big headlines Toyota did introduce the Prius late 1997 and was quite a hit in several markets, whilst they did not use Lithium Batteries (still under development)at the time they did use a nickel metal battery as it had longevity.
 

They have done it again. Why all the greebling and the big flat front end.
Just in case, like me, you didn't know what "greebling" meant, make sure you don't type "gribling" into Google like I did :eek:
 
thats the MG EV that you can buy for around 20k.
This is mine below Vauxhall Corsa e elite nav.
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They (MG) also have an Estate car about to launch ( rebadged Chinese model- but so what with a 7 year warranty)
The Estate car will add to the offer as it is NOT an suv so will appeal to more

Hows the Corsa going ??
 
Nothing to see. Please move along.

This is all a bit premature isn't it? The government has "announced" an aspiration, which "will be published as a green paper in coming months". A green paper is used to start consultation, prior to deciding policy and issuing a white paper. We haven't even had the green paper issued yet. This is all Johnson PR noise ahead of next year's climate summit, so he (if he's still PM by then) can look good in front of his peers.

Already many in the industry are flagging the significant as-yet-unfunded dependencies for such an aspiration. With the double whammy of COVID and Brexit, are the Tories really going to invest more than absolutely necessary in a vast grid upgrade and charge point subsidy programme?

Government takes historic step towards net-zero with end of sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030 - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

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They (MG) also have an Estate car about to launch ( rebadged Chinese model- but so what with a 7 year warranty)
The Estate car will add to the offer as it is NOT an suv so will appeal to more

Hows the Corsa going ??
the Corsa is going great and the wife loves it but the only niggle I got with it is its a bit tight for me getting in and out but can't blame the car as I'm a fat bastard:LOL:
 
Yes but I can't afford one neither can you, I have a £1000 car, people I work with run cars costing a few hundred quid.

If they come down to affordable levels second hand that's the only way myself and people I know will be able to have one.

Would love one though a bit the same as would have loved to have just bought a heat pump but £17000 so we just got another oil boiler

At the minute it's a case of save the planet" But only if your stinking rich"
Yup, my point was that it is selling below the average price people ARE paying for a new car in the UK.

The second hand market will sort itself out over the next 3-10 years.
 
Oh no Gromett If you claim something costs nowt and acutely cost the best part of £30-£40k clearly it is not free and there is no argument to be had. If you buy an ice car for £17k it’s unlikely you are going to spend the best part of £13-£23k on fuel over the next decade so I was not arguing for or against just pointing out it’s not Free
You are misreading what he said deliberately to make your point.

What he actually said was.
we do about 600 miles a month in our EV costs us nothing can you do that in a diesel.
and since having our diesel car mot in September its done 63 miles cost about £7 and only drive it to give it a runout.

Which is perfectly clear that he means the fuel costs are nothing for 600 miles compared to the diesel which cost him £7 for 63 miles.

At no point is he saying his EV cost him nothing because if that is the case, he is also saying his diesel car only cost him £7.

You are practising an extreme form of sophistry here. If you can't make an argument against EV's without resorting to misrepresenting what people actually said you will actually damage your position.
 
It looks like the nearer we get to 2030 we have decisions to make. Would you be mad to buy a new diesel van after say 2025? or do you think the prices of diesel will hold up in the move to electric, drop like a stone or maybe even go up?

I know that many of us will be able to hide our own easter eggs by 2030, but younger Funsters who expect to be motorhoming long into the 30's whats your plan? keep your van, buy newish now and keep it, wait and see, keep calm and carry on.
 
That wasn't actually mentioned.

Anyone using any type of vehicle travelling under 10 miles per journey should npt be using the roads.

. I have multiple threads & forums I'm on & don't just dedicate myself to educating on one. Even with the trailer I doubut whether there is 1400 kgs all up so plenty can /could tow it.

I have to agree here. You'd be on dodgy ground. Doesn't matter if not for hire & reward if the vehicle is registered /used through any type of business. In France even a commercial van, travelling through for hire & reward , with a tow bar attached but unused, is required to have one.
The only get out would be if the beer is never sold.But you are hardly likely to explain that on the side of a French road. I know plenty who ran without tacho's till they got pulled in France.


It isn't a question of liking the question, but about whether it can be interpreted or manipulated to suit those asking ?It can ,it therefore leaves a great big hole as soon as you read it showing that it is , or could be, slanted towards the view they wish to make.
No one doing under 10 a trip should not be using a vehicle !! do I understand that comment correctly ? or did I miss something ?
I don't intend pulling a shopping trolley 8 miles full of goods/ food along narrow roads or Dual carriageways , goods from companies that do not do home delivery and we cannot use Public transport
 
Nope, that is a myth. There is no limit to how much solar power you can install.

That article is spot on. The 4kwp was de facto as it says due to tarif, but also grid generation capacity. That’s why over 4kwp you need a application to your distribution network operator. They will asses how much you can generate, and if grid can absorb that generation. Where applicable, sometimes upgrades are necessary to deal with the extra generation. Domestic installs I had as big as 8kwp and commercial 250kwp in magna park. Wealthy client with nationwide stores. Good old times. Now if is for self consumption PV is justifiable, for feed in don’t bother.
 
Myself and a few other 49ners will be reminiscing, how we drove diesel vehicles, LOL.
 
Which is perfectly clear that he means the fuel costs are nothing for 600 miles
No that's because the taxpayer is subsidising it.
and we cannot use Public transport
Neither did we .Still carried 5 bags in each hand back home 2 miles.

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Electric is fine for trips within a 100 mile radius, beyond that it sucks. I accompanied a Tesla model X owner on a 300 mile out and back and it was tortuous, stopping every couple of hours and needing to follow the satnav off the motorways because it planned the route to be within reach of chargers, never again. My BMW diesel estate would have done the round trip on one tank of fuel.
 
Not that any one will miss me but I'll be gone for a while....walking 10 miles to Tesco for a full week shop, its 2 degrees and raining but Gus says I can't use the car so here goes!
Told the wife she will have to walk the 4 miles to work from now on and she won't be able to come home for lunch because a sad bloke on the internet says so, her reply was tell him to do one.
 
Electric is fine for trips within a 100 mile radius, beyond that it sucks. I accompanied a Tesla model X owner on a 300 mile out and back and it was tortuous, stopping every couple of hours and needing to follow the satnav off the motorways because it planned the route to be within reach of chargers, never again. My BMW diesel estate would have done the round trip on one tank of fuel.
I know which car I would have rather been in, and it ain't your BMW.

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I don't think there will be an issue for cars or charge points, there will be plenty of both.

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Suitable vans to convert into motorhomes for those stuck at :h:.5t who want range and payload, well thats another issue altogether.
Its one thing to install lots of charging points but how are they going to be supplied, the grid struggles now on a cold day, and with wind power being relied on more, what happens on a cold day with no wind and a few million EV's wanting a charge. And how are the pavement parkers going to charge up their cars. Even worse what do you do with millions of used batteries when they have done their day, the pollution from them will be horrendous. And if you are getting late for the ferry and its 130 miles away and you can only do total 100 miles on one charge, you are stuffed. I will keep my good old diesel until a hydrogen option is available. 🚐 ;)
 
Its one thing to install lots of charging points but how are they going to be supplied, the grid struggles now on a cold day, and with wind power being relied on more, what happens on a cold day with no wind and a few million EV's wanting a charge. And how are the pavement parkers going to charge up their cars. Even worse what do you do with millions of used batteries when they have done their day, the pollution from them will be horrendous. And if you are getting late for the ferry and its 130 miles away and you can only do total 100 miles on one charge, you are stuffed. I will keep my good old diesel until a hydrogen option is available. 🚐 ;)
Covered many many times on this thread and otheres.

The grid does not struggle on a cold day in the UK. As to no wind. That is why we will have hydrogen generators and grid scale storage in the form of batteries and compressed air to name two.

Batteries are not polluting, they will be reused then recycled.

If you buy a car that can only do 100 miles and you know you need to 130. Says more about you than the car. You should have bought one capable of 200 miles.

Good luck on waiting for hydrogen. I would suggest you read the rest of this thread as most of your points have been covered.
 
Covered many many times on this thread and otheres.

The grid does not struggle on a cold day in the UK. As to no wind. That is why we will have hydrogen generators and grid scale storage in the form of batteries and compressed air to name two.

Batteries are not polluting, they will be reused then recycled.

If you buy a car that can only do 100 miles and you know you need to 130. Says more about you than the car. You should have bought one capable of 200 miles.

Good luck on waiting for hydrogen. I would suggest you read the rest of this thread as most of your points have been covered.
Hydrogen is an emerging technology even the AA has a Hydrogen ‘get you home’ tank the negative comments are just like those pre lithium batteries for EV’s it’s a space to watch and see how developments go rather than Say never

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