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If you isolate for income, urbanites are healthier and live longer than rural dwellers on the same money. Although most of that is lifestyle. Countryside doesn't mean healthy living.
Now look at crime in rural areas v urban areas and see the difference, but anyone can manipulate a set of statistics to suit their agenda.
 
Now look at crime in rural areas v urban areas and see the difference, but anyone can manipulate a set of statistics to suit their agenda.
But when the stats also show that rural people tend to eat less healthy diets, exercise less, drink more, be more overweight... add in that maybe wood smoke is at least comparable to car fumes... And it paints a pretty strong picture that rural living isn't necessarily going to make you live longer.
 
Some people will believe anything they read and think it’s all honest. I will just do what I want, when I want.

Yep, worrying about it is the biggest killer….😎

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We moved from Redcar on Teesside to the Highlands rural living, our health improved within months. I'd never go back to townie living again.
Suburbs are the least healthy places to be. The in-between lands are not good for our heath. There's nothing to do and you have to drive everywhere. But the stats suggest that city centre dwellers are the most active. They go out more. They walk more per day. Generally lead healthiest lives.
 
Suburbs are the least healthy places to be. The in-between lands are not good for our heath. There's nothing to do and you have to drive everywhere. But the stats suggest that city centre dwellers are the most active. They go out more. They walk more per day. Generally lead healthiest lives.
Funny that. Somehow the stats always show what they want them too.
 
Funny that. Somehow the stats always show what they want them too.
The reality is that just because you have fields on your doorstep, it doesn't make you walk. But if you've got convenient range of everyday shops in walking distance, you'll clock up far more steps.

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The reality is that just because you have fields on your doorstep, it doesn't make you walk. But if you've got convenient range of everyday shops in walking distance, you'll clock up far more steps.
Funny it doesn’t feel like that when I’m running in the fields, walking my dog, cycling the country roads. But I do notice nasty smells, feel dirty, and generally unhappy when I go to London, or other cities, and towns
 
We moved from Redcar on Teesside to the Highlands rural living, our health improved within months. I'd never go back to townie living again.
The reality is that just because you have fields on your doorstep, it doesn't make you walk. But if you've got convenient range of everyday shops in walking distance, you'll clock up far more steps.
We live in a city, regularly walk through our local parks. Gets us free exercise and every now angle then see a free branch dow. Gives my Ryobi 40v chainsaw plenty of exercise too.

 
Funny it doesn’t feel like that when I’m running in the fields, walking my dog, cycling the country roads. But I do notice nasty smells, feel dirty, and generally unhappy when I go to London, or other cities, and towns
Funny that when I didn't have a car for 5 years because I could walk everywhere. Far happier than when I grew up in the armpit of nowhere with naff all to do.
 
Funny that when I didn't have a car for 5 years because I could walk everywhere. Far happier than when I grew up in the armpit of nowhere with naff all to do.
As long as you are happy that is all that matters. Those in power want urbanisation, and surveys will support what they want.

I don’t need others to entertain me, I’m happy with “naff all” and clean air.
 
As long as you are happy that is all that matters. Those in power want urbanisation, and surveys will support what they want.

I don’t need others to entertain me, I’m happy with “naff all” and clean air.
We're all different though! In our case we moved to an area near the coast as we used to live 2 hours from the sea. We now walk on the beach most days and the pace of life suits us. I don't think it's necessarily a matter of whether you're in a city or not I'm pretty sure there are some nice areas in cities that we would be very happy in and nice areas in the countryside. But also some grim areas in both.

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We're all different though! In our case we moved to an area near the coast as we used to live 2 hours from the sea. We now walk on the beach most days and the pace of life suits us. I don't think it's necessarily a matter of whether you're in a city or not I'm pretty sure there are some nice areas in cities that we would be very happy in and nice areas in the countryside. But also some grim areas in both.
I agree, but I’m not sure that is what we are discussing. I thought the discussion was about cities, apparently, being “the healthier places to live”. And that city folk are the healthiest people.

This I disagree on.
 
I agree, but I’m not sure that is what we are discussing. I thought the discussion was about cities, apparently, being “the healthier places to live”. And that city folk are the healthiest people.

This I disagree on.
In Glasgow there are two adjacent areas one very well off the other deprived. There's a huge disparity in life expectancy despite both areas having the same demographics.


From the article

"In the part of Drumchapel that overlooks the park, life expectancy is 68.3 years for men and 71.3 for women, while in directly opposite Bearsden, it is 82.8 years for men and 87.2 for women."
 
But when the stats also show that rural people tend to eat less healthy diets, exercise less, drink more, be more overweight... add in that maybe wood smoke is at least comparable to car fumes... And it paints a pretty strong picture that rural living isn't necessarily going to make you live longer.
I've had a look thru the thread and can't find the stats...do you have a link to them.
I did a quick google search and found an article by the BBC from 2017....

According to an Office for National Statistics report from 2010,, external which tried to take deprivation into account, overall life expectancy was higher in rural areas, but the very highest life expectancies were found in the wealthiest urban areas.

 
I've had a look thru the thread and can't find the stats...do you have a link to them.
I did a quick google search and found an article by the BBC from 2017....

According to an Office for National Statistics report from 2010,, external which tried to take deprivation into account, overall life expectancy was higher in rural areas, but the very highest life expectancies were found in the wealthiest urban areas.

Interestingly article. I'd be interested to see the difference in average life expectancy rural Vs urban taking deprivation into account I bet it's not that significant. I used to see a lot of elderly people who moved out into the countryside when they retired with no thought of how they would be able to live there if they were unable to drive that would worry me if we were very remote. I'm a bit sceptical of air quality testing in Leicester they had monitoring stations next to the busiest road junctions it was like they were looking for high levels.
 
Interestingly article. I'd be interested to see the difference in average life expectancy rural Vs urban taking deprivation into account I bet it's not that significant. I used to see a lot of elderly people who moved out into the countryside when they retired with no thought of how they would be able to live there if they were unable to drive that would worry me if we were very remote. I'm a bit sceptical of air quality testing in Leicester they had monitoring stations next to the busiest road junctions it was like they were looking for high levels.
A bit like weather stations and temperatures being at places full of huge amounts of heat soaking concrete and jet engines for hot summer temps but using isolated country valleys for the coldest winter temps then.....

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I've had a look thru the thread and can't find the stats...do you have a link to them.
I did a quick google search and found an article by the BBC from 2017....

According to an Office for National Statistics report from 2010,, external which tried to take deprivation into account, overall life expectancy was higher in rural areas, but the very highest life expectancies were found in the wealthiest urban areas.

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City residents tend to suffer from higher levels of asthma, allergies and depression. But they also tend to be less obese, at a lower risk of suicide and are less likely to get killed in an accident. They lead happier lives as seniors and live longer in general. (Read more about five of the world's healthiest cities).
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So a year apart...the good old BBC post two articles about it being healthy living in the country...or it being healthy living in the city....the 2018 attempt seems to be more of a global look..which is obviously of no use to most of the population of the UK. As others have said....you can make stats say pretty much what you want.

2017. Is it Healthier to Live in the Country?
(I've not put the sentence in bold...it is how it has copy/pasted)
And a government report which found that health outcomes are more favourable in rural areas than urban areas, seems to back up these findings.

Life expectancy is higher, the infant mortality rate is lower and potential years of life lost from common causes of premature death are also lower in rural areas, it says.


Versus
2018 Is it really healthier to live in the Countryside ?

In other cases, rural pollution poses a major threat. In India, air pollution contributed to the deaths of 1.1 million citizens in 2015 – with rural residents rather than urban ones accounting for 75% of the victims. This is primarily because countryside dwellers are at greater risk of breathing air that is polluted by burning of agricultural fields, wood or cow dung (used for cooking fuel and heat).
Indonesia’s slash and burn-style land clearing likewise causes a blanket of toxic haze that lasts for months and sometimes affects neighbouring countries, including Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand. Meanwhile, smoke pollution from fires lit in South America and southern Africa has been known to make its way around the entire southern hemisphere.
 

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