Will you go to restaurants or Pubs after July 4th

[Deneb]

I'm not sure you can extend the incubation period because the facts don't fit your personal narrative ...

I'm not. It's based on the current situation in another country that experienced similar mass gatherings. Because they predominantly involved younger people, most infections have initially been mild or asymptomatic and went unreported and undiscovered in the communities for several weeks. Epidemiologists are not expecting the current state of exponentially increased community infection to translate into a higher death rate for several more weeks, although hospitalisations are increasing which is how the "dire situation" came to be noticed.

 

[Coolcats]

I recall 30 odd years ago the town we live in only had one Chinese and one indian restaurant and only a handful of places to eat out. Today there are literally dozens of Indian Chinese and other eateries.

We survived 30 years ago without eating out and will survive now, most of the places just serve ping food anyway. if it has a 5 star health rating the food is more than likely just delivered in a bag and heated....

Make your own pizza's Bread, italian food and curries its cheaper and better for you

 

[Langtoftlad]

I'm not. It's based on the current situation in another country that experienced similar mass gatherings. Because they predominantly involved younger people, most infections have initially been mild or asymptomatic and went unreported and undiscovered in the communities for several weeks. Epidemiologists are not expecting the current state of exponentially increased community infection to translate into a higher death rate for several more weeks, although hospitalisations are increasing which is how the "dire situation" came to be noticed.

Carefully avoiding mentioning any sources or locations I note - so fact checking isn't possible.

 

[Deneb]

Carefully avoiding mentioning any sources or locations I note - so fact checking isn't possible.

I didn't mention it because you gave the impression of being so well informed that I assumed you would of course realise it is the United States, and would be up to speed with the comments of Dr. Anthony Fauci et al.

 

[Tykatem]

Just wondering which of us will still go out after July 4th

Those living in Leicester might not get the choice!



Pete

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[Chris]

I don’t really fancy pubs or restaurants at present.

Too busy going to raves at the moment.

 

[Langtoftlad]

I didn't mention it because you gave the impression of being so well informed that I assumed you would of course realise it is the United States, and would be up to speed with the comments of Dr. Anthony Fauci et al.

I read the BBC article on him & the increased cases.
I didn't see any reference to "Since the results of releasing restrictions don't filter into infection rates for at least 2-5 weeks," or one post later you extended that to "likely to take 5-6 weeks or more to filter through."
But hey , believe what you want believe & act accordingly to what makes you feel comfortable.
My opinion will not make a ha'pence of difference to how anyone else will behave, nor, with respect, will yours.

 

[Deneb]

I read the BBC article on him & the increased cases.
I didn't see any reference to "Since the results of releasing restrictions don't filter into infection rates for at least 2-5 weeks," or one post later you extended that to "likely to take 5-6 weeks or more to filter through."

That's because I made those comments on separate posts and didn't say anywhere that I attributed them to Dr. Fauci. I mentioned him in direct response to the post that you quoted, but he doesn't only give comments to the BBC. I think I replied to a post about an alarm system recently, and that wasn't a quote from Dr. Fauci either

My opinion will not make a ha'pence of difference to how anyone else will behave, nor, with respect, will yours.

I think we can agree on that. I'm bored now, off to do something useful

 

[glenn2926]

Still not answered how long we need to be locked down for then.

 

[TinaLes]

From what I have experienced since the ease of lock down, in and around supermarkets especially, it a free for all for anyone under 40!, SD rules are out the window, most dont wear masks or gloves to protect others.
TBH, the only time we use pubs or eateries is when we are away in the van, more so when we are on a rally and join in with others.
So no. we wont be using any public places other than garages or supermarkets for some time yet, as they will be rammed with people that either dont give a damn, or never conformed in the first place, saying hey! we are alright jack, if you are worried about us giving you covid then stay at home!

Our "Independence day" like many on here, will be when can use our vans to stay away for a few days,and do the SD bit
Didn't someone famous mention "Small Steps", well now we are told we can run a marathon by comparison, even though the 5 rules have been met (we are told), the infection rates are still too high to take lightly and disregard, especially by anyone over 50 or in the high risk group.

I really do worry about what will happen in the winter months, if there is another spike, who will be blamed? The public for not being alert enough? Flouting the rules?, or Boris? as BBC Laura Doomsburgh would love to get her teeth into him, as usual.

As for using or loosing pubs & restaurants, one minute it was "not commercially viable to open under SD rules as their income would be only 30% of what it was", now even with the SD rules reduced from 2 to 1 mtr spacing, allowing tables of 6 to be seated, I really dont see how they can turn a profit to retain staff, and cover outgoings without further relaxation/support on biz rates, rents etc.
We shall see I guess, albeit from a safe distance.

PS: if you are going to bar meanwhile, mines a pint
LES

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[spitfire]

As a lot have said it's the interaction with other friends and a chance to have a catch up on what's been happening.

After reading this I am very happy with the way my club has handled the situation.

We were invited yesterday to come a long and see the SD measures put in place and explain who the new system will work with a fifteen minute pre booked time slot.
So as not to be done on the day of opening.

You perbook your table/s up to six people from a max of two households with a ten minute slot to enter.
Giving you a text message with your table number/s

The screens can be moved around but only by staff if half your party then wishes to leave then that gives them a table of three or four but can only be used when it's been cleaned.

You can jump the que if you have had your per visit rules and regulations explained only if near the front.

You enter as normal but only thought one of the double door then there is a screen down the centre so you select the room you wish the drink in.

The bar serves all three rooms maned by three people.

But now only one will serve and other two will escorting customers colext empty glasses clean tables.
Drinks can only be purchase from half of the bar in the large room. But the shutter will be up enough for your drinks to be placed on the bar you are in and another from your party can take them back to the table.

All the floor to the bar is marked with squares so you need to be in one and move forward promptly.

But this is wear it gets odd you have to follow the one way system so if in the first room you have to go outside and back in the the front door.

And outside has all been altered a larger smoke shelter now the size of a car parking space open on one side with a bin at each corner.

Four tables the other side of the fence next to the smoke shelter then twice the distance as normal all the other non smoking tables.

You are given a A5 sheet of paper with a map of the one way system and rules on the back or you can down load to your phone.

And as it's a members club you are now asked to to leave your card behind the bar. This will speed things up and no grubby cash coins changing hands.
I used to do this before as you get a print out of what you have had and it's all time spammed and as a member you pay less than a none member.
And the club only pay for one transaction.

Gee don’t think I could be bothered !

 

[Coolcats]

Still not answered how long we need to be locked down for then.

There is no certainty, covid, lockdown and all that goes with it is, best efforts / practice, just imagine how people felt with 4 years of Spanish flue, and restrictions of WW2 there was no certainty then either therefore no answer can be provided at this time in the way that would answer your question I guess.

 

[Interceptor]

From what I have experienced since the ease of lock down, in and around supermarkets especially, it a free for all for anyone under 40!, SD rules are out the window, most dont wear masks or gloves to protect others.
TBH, the only time we use pubs or eateries is when we are away in the van, more so when we are on a rally and join in with others.
So no. we wont be using any public places other than garages or supermarkets for some time yet, as they will be rammed with people that either dont give a damn, or never conformed in the first place, saying hey! we are alright jack, if you are worried about us giving you covid then stay at home!

Our "Independence day" like many on here, will be when can use our vans to stay away for a few days,and do the SD bit
Didn't someone famous mention "Small Steps", well now we are told we can run a marathon by comparison, even though the 5 rules have been met (we are told), the infection rates are still too high to take lightly and disregard, especially by anyone over 50 or in the high risk group.

I really do worry about what will happen in the winter months, if there is another spike, who will be blamed? The public for not being alert enough? Flouting the rules?, or Boris? as BBC Laura Doomsburgh would love to get her teeth into him, as usual.

As for using or loosing pubs & restaurants, one minute it was "not commercially viable to open under SD rules as their income would be only 30% of what it was", now even with the SD rules reduced from 2 to 1 mtr spacing, allowing tables of 6 to be seated, I really dont see how they can turn a profit to retain staff, and cover outgoings without further relaxation/support on biz rates, rents etc.
We shall see I guess, albeit from a safe distance.

PS: if you are going to bar meanwhile, mines a pint
LES

It's a bit like a double edge if the pub clubs and restaurants don't open then will go bust.
So do you take the risk if you feel its not safe you walk.
As I understand regular checks will be carried out.

Gee don’t think I could be bothered !

Well it's the price for trying to get back to normal.
And if an individual or group are just not being safe you will be asked to amend your ways if your drunk and kick off you will be leaving and given a ban for a month.
That's why everybody is given the leaflet with the rules in bold capitals.
And on doors and wall at the side of the SD que for the bar.
This is the new normal.
The restaurants have a harder job as most will only have half the covers.
So will be edger to time the table and move you on.
So if not supported will go bust once gone very hard to get them back.
And this is one of the hardest hit areas.

 

[Deep Owl]

Gagging for a curry.

Isn’t that cultural appropriation?

 

[spitfire]

It's a bit like a double edge if the pub clubs and restaurants don't open then will go bust.
So do you take the risk if you feel its not safe you walk.
As I understand regular checks will be carried out.


Well it's the price for trying to get back to normal.
And if an individual or group are just not being safe you will be asked to amend your ways if your drunk and kick off you will be leaving and given a ban for a month.
That's why everybody is given the leaflet with the rules in bold capitals.
And on doors and wall at the side of the SD que for the bar.
This is the new normal.
The restaurants have a harder job as most will only have half the covers.
So will be edger to time the table and move you on.
So if not supported will go bust once gone very hard to get them back.
And this is one of the hardest hit areas.

I guess it is because it isn’t the sort of socialising here but if it works for you and your members I hope it means it survives for you all

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[Interceptor]

Where I live as the crow flies a mile radius three pubs and two clubs and one chippy have closed in the last five years.
But quite ironically we still have one pizza two Chinese and a curry all take away the only new place was a sit down curry house.
So pubs are going to be a thing of the past.
In the warmer months yes you can have garden party but in the UK that's only a three month time span.
One was turned into a Tesco express two redeveloped for houses.
One stands ideal as mac Donald's got turned down three times.
So as it's been said use them or louse them.
Gone of the days you give directions via the pubs

 

[TinaLes]

I think we all realise that most areas have lost pubs, despite offering Sky Sports, quiz nights, music nights, even Bingo they all failed, mainly as I understand, because the breweries were putting too much pressure on their tenant landlords to sell more barrels, of beer & shorts to too few customers.
Times have changed so much since I was a lad, we no longer see people leave work and head for the pub, like our fathers & grand fathers did, We have stricter drink driving laws, smoking was no longer allowed,and a luke warm pie from the bar mounted glass pie oven is no longer desirable, remember them?
Unless pubs became gastro foodie pubs that catered for families, the writing was on the wall, they were going bust.
Not many wanted a few pints, a packet of crisps and a game of darts, pool or dominoes anymore, unless they could walk to the pub or get a lift back.

If a Harvester, Wetherspoon, or Monkey Puzzle type pub cant survive with discounted prices, and special offers, then the only independents that have a chance are those niche upmarket independent pubs.
The ones that have built up a good reputation over many years, in providing quality ales & bespoke menus that people will recognise as high quality and pay the price for.

Sports clubs,Golf & Yacht clubs etc, Bars/Restaurants will be helped by being propped up with membership fees, also hiring out rooms for conferences & events. The membership fees will undoubtedly increase year on year to cover costs and in some cases make profits even if curtailed for now,especially if they are privately owned businesses, but I guess they will survive over time.
I will still wait and see what happens, not rushing into anything for now, however I do wish all that do want to use them, all the best, and hope they can stay safe in doing so.
The British Pub is an institution after all, and we wish them every success in getting through these difficult times.
LES

 

[Hymer 1961]

No is the simple answer. Looking at what happened in Spain a few weeks ago after restrictions were lifted in bars and restaurants allowing your British Expat retirees to once again exercise their drinking prowess, sadly indicates, after a long period of abstinence it would come as no surprise that drunken brawls ensued in Marbella and other parts of the Costa Del Sol resulting in arrests and property being distroyed. This Weekend - The Battle of The Bastards (Game of Thrones) coming to a high street near you.

 

[ceejayt]

Thanks all for some great comments and posts - as i suspected when I put up the poll, nearly 60% of us (representing a more mature age group as motorhomes) won't be rushing off to the pub or for a meal out. The motorhome is the perfect place to be.

If you haven't already done so, you may like to download the BP, ESSO and Shell apps - all of which let you pay from the safety of your vehicle so you don't have to go inside to pay. Pull up at the pump, enter the pump number, confirm, fill up and pay. Not tried it on an LPG or AdBlue pump yet but assume it works on those too.

The most depressing thing for me currently is that I see little prospect of the current revised lockdown rules being eased any further - not until there is an effective therapeutic or a vaccine. This could be some time next year. We will be living with this for many more months and right through Christmas. It's depressing.

 

[The Wino]

I'm not sure you can extend the incubation period because the facts don't fit your personal narrative ...

But on the bright side you can say you're right again later if you are. But seriously even if there were a rise in infection it would depend on the number of people mixing and the rate of infection previously present. It wouldn't be noticeable with the BLM protests as its reconned it was 250k people at most and largely outside the bigger protests spaced apart. Also if we went back to no spacing like beforehand the rate doubled every 4 days so for the first few reproductions the numbers would still be small. On the other hand opening most pubs restaurants etc the numbers will be way higher. I recon as its not all the population it will show in a month or two and thats why on another thread the nightingales are still being readied. If you think otherwise fine but I would put a bet on another 20k dead as a minimum by Christmas sadly.

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[Deneb]

Still not answered how long we need to be locked down for then.

Assuming that you directed that at me, I refer you back to post #88 where you will see that I was not suggesting a full lockdown remained indefinitely or for any further period of time, but that lifting a variety of measures together when attempting to monitor their effect on a random process such as an epidemic, or indeed any other diagnostic and testing process, makes it difficult if not impossible to determine the results and decide which measures can safely be released further or conversely might need to be held back a while longer. If it is done incrementally, pausing at each stage to allow the results to filter through; the effects at each stage can be more closely observed and would quite likely avoid officials in towns and cities such as Leicester and Bedford saying that "we're not really sure what's causing it".

 

[TinaLes]

Thanks all for some great comments and posts - as i suspected when I put up the poll, nearly 60% of us (representing a more mature age group as motorhomes) won't be rushing off to the pub or for a meal out. The motorhome is the perfect place to be.

If you haven't already done so, you may like to download the BP, ESSO and Shell apps - all of which let you pay from the safety of your vehicle so you don't have to go inside to pay. Pull up at the pump, enter the pump number, confirm, fill up and pay. Not tried it on an LPG or AdBlue pump yet but assume it works on those too.

The most depressing thing for me currently is that I see little prospect of the current revised lockdown rules being eased any further - not until there is an effective therapeutic or a vaccine. This could be some time next year. We will be living with this for many more months and right through Christmas. It's depressing.

Dont be too depressed ceejayt , as soon as we are allowed to travel & stay away in our vans that will be a big step, I am sure we will all feel much happier, especially if like us, you have been shielding, and restrained to staying indoors.
Your survey was helpful and did highlight that many of us, even given the choice, would rather steer clear of pubs/restaurants for a while longer yet.
We can stay well clear of public places where people tend to be on mass, or where we dont consider enough sensible behaviour is being demonstrated by way of SD or PPE requirements.

We are just hoping that by being sensible, staying away from places we dont need to visit other than supermarkets & garages, wearing gloves & sanitising where necessary, that we will remain safe in our own little bubble.
We can keep in touch with friends, family, and colleges on the phone or even online via WhatsApp, Zoom Meetings.
Having MH FUN as a daily read, is also great for the soul at times, its always interesting to read about other peoples opinions/experiences on so many things, and helping where we can.

Hopefully we will be able to attend a rally or two later in the year,luckily we can read about other funsters travels & experiences, to help us make the right choices, at the right time.
Like most, we are not expecting a vaccine to be available for some time,if ever, and of course we wish the experts every success in their trials to find one soon, but whatever the "New Norm" is we will have to accept it, and make the best of all we are allowed to to do.
Chin up mate, we will get out there, just wait for the mad rush to pass & settle down I guess.
Best wishes.
LES

 

[The Wino]

But on the bright side you can say you're right again later if you are. But seriously even if there were a rise in infection it would depend on the number of people mixing and the rate of infection previously present. It wouldn't be noticeable with the BLM protests as its reconned it was 250k people at most and largely outside the bigger protests spaced apart. Also if we went back to no spacing like beforehand the rate doubled every 4 days so for the first few reproductions the numbers would still be small. On the other hand opening most pubs restaurants etc the numbers will be way higher. I recon as its not all the population it will show in a month or two and thats why on another thread the nightingales are still being readied. If you think otherwise fine but I would put a bet on another 20k dead as a minimum by Christmas sadly.

By the way I think Leicester emphasises that what no-one is saying publicly is the spikes about a month after Eid when the end of Ramadan is celebrated by getting together and sharing food. A sort of pub with no beer!

 

[glenn2926]

By the way I think Leicester emphasises that what no-one is saying publicly is the spikes about a month after Eid when the end of Ramadan is celebrated by getting together and sharing food. A sort of pub with no beer!

You could very well be correct. My next door neighbours celebrate eid and there were lots of visitors over the day or so of celebration. Sometimes over a dozen visitors. I wonder if the likes of Bradford will have similar spikes.

 

[Interceptor]

While I have defended the pubs on Saturday I'm off in the Moho for a week so it will be the eighteenth before I get in the pub.
Don't plan on using ones I don't know while away.
Not even sure I will get fish and chips

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[The Wino]

While I have defended the pubs on Saturday I'm off in the Moho for a week so it will be the eighteenth before I get in the pub.
Don't plan on using ones I don't know while away.
Not even sure I will get fish and chips

I'm being really careful I think but am having fish and chips you have to preorder and they bring it out pay contactless.

 

[kelv]

Living in Leicester looks like I am going to have to wait for a pint down the local