Will you go to restaurants or Pubs after July 4th

[kevenh]

Pub gardens are unspeakable anyway. Full of smokers inflicting their foul habit on people so if Covid doesn’t get you lung cancer probably will.

That’s a broad brush but basically right.
They have taken over some small pub gardens. Luckily my main PH have large gardens and none smoking tables.
Being inside a pub and walking out to find fresh air to find that’s gone because of smokers isn’t uncommon. Summer or winter. Got to love the invention of patio heaters. Letting people who don’t want to put on a warm layer sit outside was a good idea. Sorry, drifted off topic a little there..

 

[maison]

That’s a broad brush but basically right.
They have taken over some small pub gardens. Luckily my main PH have large gardens and none smoking tables.
Being inside a pub and walking out to find fresh air to find that’s gone because of smokers isn’t uncommon. Summer or winter. Got to love the invention of patio heaters. Letting people who don’t want to put on a warm layer sit outside was a good idea. Sorry, drifted off topic a little there..

Leading to increased incidence of Climate change if “experts” are to be believed.

It doesn’t seem to matter what you do, how you behave or what lifestyle you follow there will be an “expert” immediately available to explain to you, in great detail, why you are wrong.

 

[Cridon]

But the other half are true

It used to be ‘there are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics”, but I would now add “and then there are politicians” given the promises and false information we have had to endure throughout this crisis.

Best wishes to you all

 

[StephandJohn]

We're gojng to Barnard Castle and then Berwick starting on 5th July, We'd usually do a few pubs, cafes and restaurants but won't unless we're absolutely sure it will be safe. So the answer really is 'probably not'

 

[Cheshirecat57]

We're gojng to Barnard Castle ......

Eye test ???

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[swiftsteve]

I voted unsure. As a dart player, I'm a regular pub user. I'm not worried about the virus, but I'm not queuing to get in, to be limited to the time I spend in there and to how many drinks I can buy. That's not a relaxing pub experience to me. Pubs won't survive social distancing, the only successful pubs in my area have multiple darts and pool teams, which obviously involve a lot of people being in the pub at the same time. I'd rather sit in my own garden and pay £1.50 a bottle than book a slot for 3 pints or a couple of hours at £4 a pint.

 

[swiftsteve]

That’s because the non smokers drove them outside . Non smokers can’t have it both ways. I don’t smoke.

Not quite true, the EU and the government forced that one on us while still allowing smoking in european bars. The rationale was that vast numbers of non smokers who avoided pubs, would flock in as soon as the smoke cleared. That didn't happen and pubs will never regain the lost clientele.

 

[Tykatem]

Pete

 

[Neil S]

No but then we are not pub goers or drinkers anyway , don't feel the need for alcohol

 

[glenn2926]

Not quite true, the EU and the government forced that one on us while still allowing smoking in european bars. The rationale was that vast numbers of non smokers who avoided pubs, would flock in as soon as the smoke cleared. That didn't happen and pubs will never regain the lost clientele.

Maybe they forced it upon pubs but they wouldn’t have done it without the non smokers whinging and moaning for years about it. Now the non smokers have the audacity to moan about smoking outside.

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[1ten]

We will be going for a couple of pints in our village pub on Sunday. We have both been working all the way through the shutdown so I don’t think it will pose anymore of a risk.
I also don’t want the only pub in our little village to shut and know they have been struggling.

 

[kevenh]

Maybe they forced it upon pubs but they wouldn’t have done it without the non smokers whinging and moaning for years about it. Now the non smokers have the audacity to moan about smoking outside.

Anywhere smokers are is bad.
That doesn’t still need proving does it?
The tax price increase on alcohol came about at a bad time because smoke free environments encourage me to visit pubs.
It’s great not having to hang up clothes stinking of stale cigarette smoke tho only warn for a couple of hours in the pub (pre-ban).

 

[gus-lopez]

Got to love the invention of patio heaters.

" we heat the world"

Leading to increased incidence of Climate change if “experts” are to be believed.

How can attempting to heat the environment not be increasing iT?
they should have been outlawed the day after they went on sale.

 

[maison]

" we heat the world"
How can attempting to heat the environment not be increasing iT?
they should have been outlawed the day after they went on sale.

No argument from me.

The post was “tongue in cheek” as far as heaters are concerned. My reference was to the number of instant “experts” that any news story produces.

 

[swiftsteve]

Maybe they forced it upon pubs but they wouldn’t have done it without the non smokers whinging and moaning for years about it. Now the non smokers have the audacity to moan about smoking outside.

I don't smoke and I was running a pub in 2007 when the ban was enforced. I paid £4000 to do the garden up for smokers, and my weekly take was halved in one fell swoop. We got out in 2010 after working for nothing for a couple of years.

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[swiftsteve]

" we heat the world"
How can attempting to heat the environment not be increasing iT?
they should have been outlawed the day after they went on sale.

I never used to use ours, they cost a fortune to run, at a time when the price of electricity was rocketing.

 

[Rosemary1]

Will avoid busy times - Fridays, Saturdays Sunday lunch times but probably will try a meal outside after a couple of weeks

 

[CamperJack]

It is hard to avoid them when I work in pub management. However my pub isn't opening on the 4th, but some time later in July. I am VERY pleased about this. I anticipate absolute pandemonium on the 4th and continuing for days / weeks afterwards.

If I have realised anything during this "lockdown" and wider pandemic it is that the country has a good number of absolute noncomprehending morons. One only needs to look at the crowds gathering for protests, parties / raves, days out at a packed out beaches, "celebrations of winning the football in Liverpool, etc etc and the total disregard shown for social distancing. (Not to mention the deeply upsetting state these idiots leave the place in afterwards.)

I have no doubt that people will not be able to control themselves (as they have proved after any lifting of the restrictions) and pubs will have too many people to properly social distance in the first few days. Pub manager will have to be very strict and I hope they get the back up they need from police and security firms they will doubtless need to employ in towns and cities.

When you come to my pub I want to be your friend, not your teacher or the police man. I want to give everyone a warm welcome. Not walk around the place telling people where to sit or to move along a bit so they're 2M (or "1M plus", or whatever the hell it is now) apart.

Quite frankly opening up again on a Saturday is moronic and shows just how much thought the government puts into things. If they had bothered to consult the industry about a day I'm fairly sure it wouldn't have been Friday, Saturday or even Sunday.

As far as my personal answer to the question goes, my thought isn't there as an option. I'll be waiting a while, at least a week, and see how mad it all is by then. I'll probably have a good look through the window before going in and if it is all still daft I'll not bother going in.

 

[G-RMPS]

July 4th - Independence Day. Why give the party people yet another reason to go on the rampage?

 

[Tykatem]

July 4th - Independence Day. Why give the party people yet another reason to go on the rampage?

Try not to worry, it was only a film!

Pete

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[Interceptor]

As a lot have said it's the interaction with other friends and a chance to have a catch up on what's been happening.

After reading this I am very happy with the way my club has handled the situation.

We were invited yesterday to come a long and see the SD measures put in place and explain who the new system will work with a fifteen minute pre booked time slot.
So as not to be done on the day of opening.

You perbook your table/s up to six people from a max of two households with a ten minute slot to enter.
Giving you a text message with your table number/s

The screens can be moved around but only by staff if half your party then wishes to leave then that gives them a table of three or four but can only be used when it's been cleaned.

You can jump the que if you have had your per visit rules and regulations explained only if near the front.

You enter as normal but only thought one of the double door then there is a screen down the centre so you select the room you wish the drink in.

The bar serves all three rooms maned by three people.

But now only one will serve and other two will escorting customers colext empty glasses clean tables.
Drinks can only be purchase from half of the bar in the large room. But the shutter will be up enough for your drinks to be placed on the bar you are in and another from your party can take them back to the table.

All the floor to the bar is marked with squares so you need to be in one and move forward promptly.

But this is wear it gets odd you have to follow the one way system so if in the first room you have to go outside and back in the the front door.

And outside has all been altered a larger smoke shelter now the size of a car parking space open on one side with a bin at each corner.

Four tables the other side of the fence next to the smoke shelter then twice the distance as normal all the other non smoking tables.

You are given a A5 sheet of paper with a map of the one way system and rules on the back or you can down load to your phone.

And as it's a members club you are now asked to to leave your card behind the bar. This will speed things up and no grubby cash coins changing hands.
I used to do this before as you get a print out of what you have had and it's all time spammed and as a member you pay less than a none member.
And the club only pay for one transaction.

 

[Jasz]

Maybe they forced it upon pubs but they wouldn’t have done it without the non smokers whinging and moaning for years about it. Now the non smokers have the audacity to moan about smoking outside.

I spent a New Years Eve in New Zealand one year, I had to go inside the bar for some fresh air as so many people were smoking outside

 

[Deneb]

The trouble is, as is already happening in our village, groups of children are out every day not socially distancing, larger groups of youths are meeting up in various places every night, the same. The parents are just saying that it's been a long lockdown and they need to let off steam! They all then go home to their families, where of course they are not social distancing. One or more members of the family meet up with another family as allowed, or are working with other people. Their co-workers go home to their families, or the other family then meet another family on a different occasion, etc.

It doesn't matter what measures are put in place in any establishment if two families are allowed to meet inside and share a table. Are the staff serving you from families where other members have been out and about on a jolly? Have they met up with one or more people from another household who have children that have been out on a jolly, or who have been out themselves? What have the people serving you been up to when they're not at work? How fastidious are they being behind the scenes?

Sharing your card behind the bar? Just heard of the spike believed to have started from a shared cigarette lighter!

This is exactly the type of scenario that has been happening in the US for several weeks. It bubbles around under the surface for some time with no-one any the wiser, until suddenly the infection rate begins to be noticed - too late.

Wonder why the government have decided to stop daily briefings and showing daily situation slides?

Coming to a town near you - sooner or later

 

[glenn2926]

The trouble is, as is already happening in our village, groups of children are out every day not socially distancing, larger groups of youths are meeting up in various places every night, the same. The parents are just saying that it's been a long lockdown and they need to let off steam! They all then go home to their families, where of course they are not social distancing. One or more members of the family meet up with another family as allowed, or are working with other people. Their co-workers go home to their families, or the other family then meet another family on a different occasion, etc.

It doesn't matter what measures are put in place in any establishment if two families are allowed to meet inside and share a table. Are the staff serving you from families where other members have been out and about on a jolly? Have they met up with one or more people from another household who have children that have been out on a jolly, or who have been out themselves? What have the people serving you been up to when they're not at work? How fastidious are they being behind the scenes?

Sharing your card behind the bar? Just heard of the spike believed to have started from a shared cigarette lighter!

This is exactly the type of scenario that has been happening in the US for several weeks. It bubbles around under the surface for some time with no-one any the wiser, until suddenly the infection rate begins to be noticed - too late.

Wonder why the government have decided to stop daily briefings and showing daily situation slides?

Coming to a town near you - sooner or later

So how long do you want everyone locked down? You appear to be saying we should be locked down . Exactly how long for?

 

[Wildbill]

No were not big pub folk anyway but we wont be eating out nether and we have bough a boat so we can wild Moore next to a river or canal well away from all the idiots out their.
As i fear motor-homing as we know it a thing of the past we are keeping the van but will probably use it less as theirs not enough room on the roads this summer the camp site owner's have got greedy as well exploiting the situation
the canals and rivers are relatively quite in comparison
bill

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[gus-lopez]

So how long do you want everyone locked down? You appear to be saying we should be locked down . Exactly how long for?

If the children aren't at school due to possibility of catching it then it is common sense they should not be out the house either.If you are being paid to stay at hime then it should have been a legal requirement that you cannot go anywhere. If you can then get them back to work.

**Oh & yes I was in the bar yesterday eating & then same in another this morning.

 

[Langtoftlad]

I think the daily briefing was stopped because of the repeated moronic questions from the journalists...
AFAIK the figures are still available
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/

Maybe it's because all the non SD gatherings have been happening outside but no spikes have been apparent from the various beaches/protests etc over the past few weeks, as should have been expected...

 

[Deneb]

So how long do you want everyone locked down? You appear to be saying we should be locked down . Exactly how long for?

Not locked down, but less of a rush to open up. Since the results of releasing restrictions don't filter into infection rates for at least 2-5 weeks, and we don't have the necessary amount of testing and tracing in place, nor a willingness within the large factions of the population to act responsibly within the guidelines in place, it does seem that we are rushing into releasing too much all at once, and when the rate increases (which it will) no-one will have any idea which areas perhaps need to be curtailed and which don't.

Who came up with the brilliant idea of opening the floodgates on a Saturday, and on a date generally known as "Independence Day" for instance? I wonder what they thought would be likely to happen? It appears that my ex-colleagues who have all just had their annual leave and rest days cancelled until further notice might have some idea of what is expected. We shall see...

 

[Deneb]

I think the daily briefing was stopped because of the repeated moronic questions from the journalists...
AFAIK the figures are still available
https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/

Maybe it's because all the non SD gatherings have been happening outside but no spikes have been apparent from the various beaches/protests etc over the past few weeks, as should have been expected...

I know where to find them, but they're not being spoon fed to the whole population as before. The rolling seven day averages still show a fairly flat figure in most cases, but the daily numbers are possibly starting to reflect a different story, although the relative ages of the majority of the beach and protest crowds may mean that the effects are likely to take 5-6 weeks or more to filter through.

 

[Langtoftlad]

I'm not sure you can extend the incubation period because the facts don't fit your personal narrative ...

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