What licence do I need to drive a MH over 3500kg? Confused?

[Otter Spotter]

AM...moped
A ...motorbike.
B1...light vehicle quad bike.
B...
2 categories

If test passed before 1st Jan 1997 allowed to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8250 kg

If test passed after Jan 1st 1997
You can drive vehicles up to 3500 kg

BE ...you can drive a vehicle with a NAM of 3500 kg with a trailer.

For a C1 you can drive a vehicle between 3500 and 7500 kg .
You need the C1 for a MH that's has a MAM over over 3500 kgs ,I don't think yours has ,it's just overweight.

It he over 70 though ?

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

It he over 70 though ?

Yes.

 

[Hoovie]

I have read the advice in the link which says that after your licence expires (age 70) the medical standard for a C1 go from Group 1 to Group 2. This means using the D2/D4 form procedure which has been posted about many times. I can’t see anything that suggests a change to the normal 3 year license. I know some unlucky people only get 1 year because of special health reasons but again this is nothing new. Where are you seeing this new 1 year license rule. I can’t find it.

"Drivers who were awarded a Group 1 category B (motor car) licence before 1 January 1997 have additional entitlement to categories C1 (medium-sized lorries, 3.5t to 7.5t) and D1 (minibuses, 9 to 16 seats, not for hire or reward). Drivers with this entitlement retain it only until their licence expires or it is revoked for medical reasons. On subsequent renewal or reapplication, the higher medical standards applicable to Group 2 will apply."

Now if YOU want to read it differently, that is fine and up to you. But incorrect interpretation of the regulations is no defence, so I would suggest anyone who has lost their C1 on their license for a time due to expiry or medical reasons and then had it renewed check when they need to renew and not rely on forum posters, including you and me, for advice, as they run the risk (IMO) potentially of driving without an appropriate license and THAT is quite a serious offence.

 

[Pausim]

"Drivers who were awarded a Group 1 category B (motor car) licence before 1 January 1997 have additional entitlement to categories C1 (medium-sized lorries, 3.5t to 7.5t) and D1 (minibuses, 9 to 16 seats, not for hire or reward). Drivers with this entitlement retain it only until their licence expires or it is revoked for medical reasons. On subsequent renewal or reapplication, the higher medical standards applicable to Group 2 will apply."

The higher medical standards applicable to Group 2 are are covered by the D4 medical report and the subsequent DVLA assessment. It says nothing at all about the length of license then granted, which is usually 3 years. What has changed and where did you see something that says only one year.

 

[Riverbankannie]

Yes, but that was because of the DVLA deciding that as a a result of hubbies medical, they would only issue a 1 yr licence.
The 1yr. licence is not the norm. and as posted elsewhere, one can have the most eminent Consultant on your side,
those 'experts' without any medical qualifications can go down their own path and make their own decisions.

And the next year they renewed it for 3 years without any medical!

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[Emmit]

And the next year they renewed it for 3 years without any medical!

Which only goes to show that they aren't fit for purpose.
No consistency.

 

[Minxy]

How many more threads are we going to get regarding the 'weight' issue with your MH & your licence????

 

[Silver-Fox]

How many more threads are we going to get regarding the 'weight' issue with your MH & your licence????

How many do you want Minxy Girl

 

[L' Hobo]

LARGE goods vehicle, not light.
I used the old description for Buses.
Vehicles above 7.5 tonnes require LGV licence, below that weight is C1

Sorry, I have just looked on the GOV.UK guidance page and there is NO mention of LARGE GOODS VEHICLES (LGV) it's ALL HGV's.

For 40+yrs until I retired a few years ago, I owned and operated both HGV's, Buses and Coach's (In fact I still have a dormant PSV Ltd company with 2 operators discs, 'just in case') so STILL get sent all the vehicle operators bumph and have not noticed this change.

Two questions, (1) WHAT constitutes a LARGE goods vehicle and (2) could you please furnish me with a link to where I can find this information, Thankyou!

 

[Spriddler]

They reckon that over 80% of MH’s on the road would be over the weight limit!

So as stated by a dealer....80% of mohos are "not fit for purpose

Isn't it more a case that many 'get away' by taking it all with them?

I came to motorhoming via 30+ years with a tent and motorbike and I never get anywhere near to my m/h being over weight.

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[Hoovie]

The higher medical standards applicable to Group 2 are are covered by the D4 medical report and the subsequent DVLA assessment. It says nothing at all about the length of license then granted, which is usually 3 years. What has changed and where did you see something that says only one year.

can you not read?

Group 2

The minimum age for Group 2 entitlement to drive lorries (category C) is 21 and for buses (category D) is 24, unless the driver is undergoing or has passed the Driver Certificate of Competence (CPC) initial qualification which they can do at the age of 21. The Group 2 licensing entitlement is valid for a maximum of five years. Group 2 licences must be renewed every 5 years or at age 45, whichever is the earlier, until the age of 65 when they are renewed annually without an upper age limit. Shorter licences may be issued for medical reasons.

I really don't give a **** about people wanting to try to interpret things to suit themselves. the rules are stipulated and the onus is on the individual to do what they they should do to ensure they are legally allowed to drive the vehicle they have.
I am happy with my interpretation of this official government website and the info it provides. If someone wants to read into it something different, good for them, but don't keep asking "where did you see this" etc when I have posted a link to the ******* official government source! if you are too daft to click on a link, maybe you shouldn't have a licence to drive anything!

 

[2657]

I held a Class 1 HGV licence, changed to C+E at some point, for over 40 years until I did not renew in around 2016, the C1 entitlement, rather perversely shown with the limitations according to grandfather rights, lasted until I was 70 in 2019 and then I did not renew.

I could renew either by taking the same medical, the C+E would be renewable annually, the C1+E every 3 years

 

[Jim]

can you not read?

I really don't give a **** about

Can you post in a friendlier style, or not at all please. Thanks.

 

[Hoovie]

Can you post in a friendlier style, or not at all please. Thanks.

when you get asked multiple times "where did you see this" after posting a link to the information that answers the question it gets a bit tedious.

 

[nicholsong]

I am a bit surprised that this thread has got to 70+ posts.

Do people not discover their responsibilities in life?

Having said that, there are parts of DVLA publications which are to say the least ambiguous, e.g the term 'lorry;' when referring to over 3.5t but not defining how it relates to 3.5 -7'5t, 12t, 44t etc.. Those of us who know understand that the same D4 Medical is valid for all categories but the frequency to take the medical differs by licence category and age, forgetting any special medical conditions. This is not made clear in some parts of their publications.

The DVLA do themselves no favours and produce extra work by this confusion is that a deliberate tactic to extend their remit?

Geoff

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[Jim]

when you get asked multiple times "where did you see this" after posting a link to the information that answers the question it gets a bit tedious.

Still, no excuse to be rude.

 

[Pausim]

can you not read?

Group 2

The minimum age for Group 2 entitlement to drive lorries (category C) is 21 and for buses (category D) is 24, unless the driver is undergoing or has passed the Driver Certificate of Competence (CPC) initial qualification which they can do at the age of 21. The Group 2 licensing entitlement is valid for a maximum of five years. Group 2 licences must be renewed every 5 years or at age 45, whichever is the earlier, until the age of 65 when they are renewed annually without an upper age limit. Shorter licences may be issued for medical reasons.

I really don't give a **** about people wanting to try to interpret things to suit themselves. the rules are stipulated and the onus is on the individual to do what they they should do to ensure they are legally allowed to drive the vehicle they have.
I am happy with my interpretation of this official government website and the info it provides. If someone wants to read into it something different, good for them, but don't keep asking "where did you see this" etc when I have posted a link to the ******* official government source! if you are too daft to click on a link, maybe you shouldn't have a licence to drive anything!

I read it differently and thought you must have seen some other information, hence my continued questioning.

It says the higher medical standards applicable to Group 2 will apply. As I read it, it does not say it becomes a Group 2 licence or that the other rules relating to a Group 2 license apply. I believe the Group 2 rules (other than the medical assessment at 70+) apply to C and D licenses but not to the more restricted C1 and D1 licenses.

Earlier this year I renewed my C1 having reached 70 and was given a license to 2024.

 

[Hoovie]

I read it differently and thought you must have seen some other information, hence my continued questioning.

It says the higher medical standards applicable to Group 2 will apply. As I read it, it does not say it becomes a Group 2 licence or that the other rules relating to a Group 2 license apply. I believe the Group 2 rules (other than the medical assessment at 70+) apply to C and D licenses but not to the more restricted C1 and D1 licenses.

Earlier this year I renewed my C1 having reached 70 and was given a license to 2024.

the key is if you renew, or if you get a new C1 after you lose C1 for any reason

you renewed, so it stays as a Group 1 and the 3 year renewal schedule stays valid.
if you had the c1 removed and then reapplied, it becomes a group 2 entitlement. it is there in black and white!

 

[Emmit]

It may be, as you say, in Black and White.

However, this is a Gov.UK Website and although it might? be in Black and White

This is Gov.UK BLACK AND WHITE

 

[2657]

the key is if you renew, or if you get a new C1 after you lose C1 for any reason

you renewed, so it stays as a Group 1 and the 3 year renewal schedule stays valid.
if you had the c1 removed and then reapplied, it becomes a group 2 entitlement. it is there in black and white!

Please re read the quote, what it says is that 'On subsequent renewal or reapplication the higher medical standards applicable to group 2 will apply'.
What it does not say is that the licence then becomes a group 2 licence.

You make a distinction between renewing and re applying, in reality there is no such distinction, the C1 licence is automatically revoked at 70, as are the other licences, and must the be re applied for.

Different medical conditions then apply, C1 and C need a D4 medical but the subsequent renewal periods differ, B licences are medically self certified.

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[Emmit]

Please re read the quote, what it says is that 'On subsequent renewal or reapplication the higher medical standards applicable to group 2 will apply'.
What it does not say is that the licence then becomes a group 2 licence.

You make a distinction between renewing and re applying, in reality there is no such distinction, the C1 licence is automatically revoked at 70, as are the other licences, and must the be re applied for.

Different medical conditions then apply, C1 and C need a D4 medical but the subsequent renewal periods differ, B licences are medically self certified.

I'm afraid that you are .

 

[Pausim]

the key is if you renew, or if you get a new C1 after you lose C1 for any reason

you renewed, so it stays as a Group 1 and the 3 year renewal schedule stays valid.

I don’t agree. The Government text treats renewal and reapplication the same.
“On subsequent renewal or reapplication, the higher medical standards applicable to Group 2 will apply.”
I continue to read this as meaning the only thing that changes for a C1 driver on reaching 70 is the medical standard.

We are of course entitled to arrive at our own interpretations of the text and to form our own opinions.

 

[The Dotties]

Sorry, I have just looked on the GOV.UK guidance page and there is NO mention of LARGE GOODS VEHICLES (LGV) it's ALL HGV's.

For 40+yrs until I retired a few years ago, I owned and operated both HGV's, Buses and Coach's (In fact I still have a dormant PSV Ltd company with 2 operators discs, 'just in case') so STILL get sent all the vehicle operators bumph and have not noticed this change.

Two questions, (1) WHAT constitutes a LARGE goods vehicle and (2) could you please furnish me with a link to where I can find this information, Thankyou!

Dear Mr hobo,
I don’t know how to post links to…..but I’ve just googled LGV license meaning and it returned info from the Dept Transport explaining as I quoted. LGV starts at >7500kgs. The term HGV changed in 2016 to align with the EU.
I will try to work out how to “quote” info from my iPad. Should be able to do it in less than a fortnight.

 

[L' Hobo]

I'm afraid, dear readers, like so many ambiguous writings/rules, we read what we WANT to see. (there's a word for this but for the life of me, I cannot remember it?)
It appears we all have our own interpretation and it's confusing matters when, sometimes, the PERSON in Swansea, who is issuing the licence, has another?

 

[L' Hobo]

Dear Mr hobo,
I don’t know how to post links to…..but I’ve just googled LGV license meaning and it returned info from the Dept Transport explaining as I quoted. LGV starts at >7500kgs. The term HGV changed in 2016 to align with the EU.
I will try to work out how to “quote” info from my iPad. Should be able to do it in less than a fortnight.

So, when I tax my VW van, it's no longer a Private/Light Goods Vehicle but just PRIVATE, the same as a car, and I don't have to pay extra going through the Dartford tunnel???
I'm applying for a refund

PS the EU category compliance started in 1992 didn't it BUT to the transport fraternity (including GOV.UK) an HGV1 licence is still a HGV licence and rarely a C

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[The Dotties]

So, when I tax my VW van, it's no longer a Private/Light Goods Vehicle but just PRIVATE, the same as a car, and I don't have to pay extra going through the Dartford tunnel???
I'm applying for a refund

PS the EU category compliance started in 1992 didn't it BUT to the transport fraternity (including GOV.UK) an HGV1 licence is still a HGV licence and rarely a C

The licence categories shown on the licence conform to EU standards, but with any luck the U.K. govt. will go back to the much simpler system we had before. Too many categories start with the same letter and causes confusion. By far the greatest majority of people refer to them as HGV’s
Best of luck with the tunnel

 

[The Dotties]

HGV & LGV licences explained

LGV HGV Licences Explained: Click on the link to learn more about these licences and LGV HGV Driver Training. It's all here!

www.nationaldrivingcentre.co.uk

@L’ Hobo

I have no idea if this has worked. How do I make it turn blue?
(it quotes a reply I made to @L’ Hobo, and I’m practising )

 

[rb62]

HGV & LGV licences explained

LGV HGV Licences Explained: Click on the link to learn more about these licences and LGV HGV Driver Training. It's all here!

www.nationaldrivingcentre.co.uk

@L’ Hobo

I have no idea if this has worked. How do I make it turn blue?
(it quotes a reply I made to @L’ Hobo, and I’m practising )

It's his apostrophe that causes the problem! has to be a straight one not a curly one

L' Hobo

 

[bigtwin]

I'm afraid, dear readers, like so many ambiguous writings/rules, we read what we WANT to see.

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[The Dotties]

It's his apostrophe that causes the problem! has to be a straight one not a curly one

L' Hobo

Thanks for that, didn’t realise his wasn’t curly! It’s not the funster name I’m having trouble with, it’s how to direct someone to an article, in this case transport related, to a third party site. Plenty of funsters use it, it’s a long string of blue letters in a type of code. You click on it and it goes to the site.

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