What is the answer ?

[gpat]

Can I ask how much real world experience you have in Policing?

None. Only the fallout.

To be fair I am not criticising the police men and women. Only the system. I know that in the Isle of Man it would be dealt with very differently. No burglaries here go unsolved. It's a different world I admit and I feel like in the UK something has gone wrong.

The question from the OP was, what is the answer?

The ex police on here can only tell us what the problem is!

 

[Odd-no-more]

Maybe

Not true. If you strike out in genuine fear of yours or another's safety then you are entitled to defend yourself with reasonable force..

But how long would I be detained at a police station before being sent home?

 

[David and Sally]

Maybe

But how long would I be detained at a police station before being sent home?

That would depend. Maybe not arrested at all.

 

[Spawn_e_git]

You’d be alright. One or two high profile cases where home owner shoots burglar or alike.……..hopefully you’ve never had to defend yourself using such force. Not many people have had this experience. It’s the fear of crime that most people formulate their opinions from, as opposed to actual experience.

Yeah a very high profile case 20 odd years back where a guy shot a 16 year old traveller. Big news in the papers about how he got banged up.
As far as I'm concerned the law was correct, he shot them in the back.

You should have the right to defend yourself, your family and your property but reasonable is the divisive issue.

Crowning a junkie into a coma with a baseball bat for stealing a lawnmower from a garden shed or similar is surely not reasonable in any sane persons mind?

 

[DDJC]

Crowning a junkie into a coma with a baseball bat for stealing a lawnmower from a garden shed or similar is surely not reasonable in any sane persons mind?

Don't have a huge problem with it, because I don't know if your junkie has his own bat, or knife, or pistol, etc. I'd rather be safe than sorry, so I guess I am not sane, by your yardstick.

Unless of course you think that I should simply give him a stern talking to and persuade him to wait until the Police come? Which they won't. I am getting on in years. Chances are that the thief is younger and much fitter then I am, and will turn on me unless I incapacitate him.

Baseball bat round the head works for me. I'll take my chances with the court.

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[Coastal Cruiser.]

Crowning a junkie into a coma with a baseball bat for stealing a lawnmower from a garden shed or similar is surely not reasonable in any sane persons mind?

Seems fair game to me

 

[EuroTrotters]

Imagine the cost of this?. Good excercise though ?.

Scrambler bike mayhem causes damage across Merseyside

It has been confirmed that the riders caused damage before a standoff on Crosby beach

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[mitzimad]

Yeah a very high profile case 20 odd years back where a guy shot a 16 year old traveller. Big news in the papers about how he got banged up.
As far as I'm concerned the law was correct, he shot them in the back.

You should have the right to defend yourself, your family and your property but reasonable is the divisive issue.

Crowning a junkie into a coma with a baseball bat for stealing a lawnmower from a garden shed or similar is surely not reasonable in any sane persons mind?

sounds reasonable if it's my lawnmower but then sanity is not something im familiar with

 

[Steve and Denise]

Well I know some nice travellers but they do not travel any more as they have passed

 

[Wabs]

I was based in Plymouth years ago, my mates uncle has a small farm there,,a bunch of travelers broke his gate and set up on his field,he told them if they didn’t move he’d burn their caravans overnight,,,they were gone the next morning,,

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[Wabs]

Must admit here, he was a ex bootneck, and not one to mess with,as was his son,,,so many of the lads in camp fancied a tear up with the Itinerants,,

 

[emjaiuk]

When I said police should have the resources to deal with this type of thing I was including changes to the law, although when the proposed changes to the law on trespass were discussed on this forum I seem to remember a high proportion of objections.

 

[Sapper520]

None. Only the fallout.

To be fair I am not criticising the police men and women. Only the system. I know that in the Isle of Man it would be dealt with very differently. No burglaries here go unsolved. It's a different world I admit and I feel like in the UK something has gone wrong.

The question from the OP was, what is the answer?

The ex police on here can only tell us what the problem is!

Never happy when I have had to deal will victims of crime, so I hope the fallout you had to deal with is now easier on you.

The answer? Same old story really……proper legislation and more resources, which usually calls for money. And I’m not talking overtime.

 

[sonar]

‘Life threatening threats, extortion’ as travellers wreak havoc

Threats by travellers who ‘took over’ a Fenland caravan and camping park over Easter, forced its temporary closure.

www.cambstimes.co.uk

Irish Travellers say racism is causing a suicide crisis https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61133612

 

[Miggs]

Send them all to Rwanda.

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[DDJC]

Irish Travellers say racism is causing a suicide crisis https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61133612

So it is racist to think that the way they live, leaving their filth and damage behind them, is unacceptable?
So we have to allow them to live like this, because to protest at the mess they leave is racist?
So the taxpayer coughs up because it is a protected right for them to leave a contaminated campsite behind them?

Nonsense. And it is provable nonsense.

Firstly, the article is about Irish Travellers. Here in Kent there is a large Romani population. And no one even notices because they don't leave sites covered in garbage and excrement. They are integrated as much as they fell comfortable with (I work with two Romanis), but still maintain their culture and heritage. They are celebrated, not discriminated.

This is about the filth that travellers leave behind, not their racial and cultural origins. It is important that people don't conflate the two.

 

[sonar]

Send them all to Rwanda.

Why send them to Rwanda. Does anyone there want a tarmac drive if so they I am sure will go them selves.

 

[Odd-no-more]

To answer th OP question the answer is proper, fit for purpose, legislation, a police force that is willing to deal with the problem and with the resources to do the job. All of which is lacking and will never be achieved.

 

[mitzimad]

gangsters in caravans who else gets away with oranised fly tipping intimidation trespass and trafic offences on that scale

 

[steve69]

‘Life threatening threats, extortion’ as travellers wreak havoc

Threats by travellers who ‘took over’ a Fenland caravan and camping park over Easter, forced its temporary closure.

www.cambstimes.co.uk

And that, my friends, is the very reason the UK doesn't have Aires like France. The travellers would just take them over. In France, they are removed at gunpoint!

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[mitzimad]

with regards to the fly tipping we now have surveillance cameras every where why cant the authorities set up a camera when these parasites land, loaded in empty out vehicle siezed seems pretty simple to me

 

[David and Sally]

The only answer is for our authorities to grow some and stop listening to the lame excuses of the Wokes. I don’t usually admire the French but their methods impress me.