what about this new ferry service

[Spriddler]

There is not enough back loads for them all. You can often see fridge lorry’s loading product that doesn’t need a fridge, just because they can’t get anything else. Ie cat food or sugar as a couple of examples in.

Exactly. I live near Newhaven port and a pal who works there says the same. We no longer manufacture enough stuff to fill the returning lorries that have brought over full loads from continental and Eastern Europe......I drive frequently on the M11, M25 and M20 which are often packed with nose to tail foreign trucks, far outnumbering the U.K. registered ones.

 

[2657]

The imbalance in import/export trade is not a new phenomenon.

 

[Spriddler]

The imbalance in import/export trade is not a new phenomenon.

You're so right.

 

[The Wino]

5 pages of discusion but the only clear conclusion has to be its yet another example of how well the gov. are organising things the rest of the EU must be looking on in disbelief!!!!

 

[Paddywack]

Channel Four News tonight. Ben Sharp the CEO did the dirty on two companies in his previous firm and dropped them for several million. And Seaborne don't have operating agreements for the proposed ports. The plot thickens.. ...

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[jockaneezer]

Wonder if there's still time to apply for an EU grant to help fund the harbour dredging ?

 

[Silver-Fox]

On VAT from the withdrawal date to apply the EU Customs Code and the relevant rules on indirect taxation to all imports from and exports to the United Kingdom.” So bang also goes the current frictionless handling of of VAT between the EU and the UK.

Why would we be giving the EU vat just out of interest.
I realise we do at the moment on some products.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Whether or not these extra ferries turn out to be necessary... it's done for Grayling... promoted beyond his level of incompetence.

 

[scousebird]

https://theisleofthanetnews.com/201...TMMq5HzQEdlXuVFGAiLqzaeoywawE-Xq14rWXShtiSw6M
Manston testing on Monday

And they started dredging Ramsgate harbour today

 

[Paddywack]

Why would we be giving the EU vat just out of interest.
I realise we do at the moment on some products.

Vat is a tax on goods used in the EU, so if goods are exported outside the EU, you do not charge VAT. Once we're outside EU the problems start. For example car parts, a crankshaft for a BMW mini can cross the channel four times during manufacturer from France to the UK, UK to Germany, back to the UK and then back to Europe if an export. Imagine the VAT paperwork on that from the 30th March?

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[Silver-Fox]

Vat is a tax on goods used in the EU, so if goods are exported outside the EU, you do not charge VAT. Once we're outside EU the problems start. For example car parts, a crankshaft for a BMW mini can cross the channel four times during manufacturer from France to the UK, UK to Germany, back to the UK and then back to Europe if an export. Imagine the VAT paperwork on that from the 30th March?

Then it would be beneficial to not put vat on any shared components or wait until the component finds its resting place.

Having said that we the UK won't be in the EU so no vat to charge from us and likewise from the EU to us.

Just make things simple is the way forward

 

[mitzimad]

Exactly. I live near Newhaven port and a pal who works there says the same. We no longer manufacture enough stuff to fill the returning lorries that have brought over full loads from continental and Eastern Europe......I drive frequently on the M11, M25 and M20 which are often packed with nose to tail foreign trucks, far outnumbering the U.K. registered ones.

which proves who needs a deal the most

 

[mitzimad]

https://theisleofthanetnews.com/201...TMMq5HzQEdlXuVFGAiLqzaeoywawE-Xq14rWXShtiSw6M
Manston testing on Monday

And they started dredging Ramsgate harbour today

if it turns out its not needed can i get the contract to put it back

 

[Paddywack]

which proves who needs a deal the most

That's because of the UKs over reliance on financial service "exports" - you know the ones that stop when the passporting rights disappear. So who needs the deal most?

 

[Paddywack]

Then it would be beneficial to not put vat on any shared components or wait until the component finds its resting place.

Having said that we the UK won't be in the EU so no vat to charge from us and likewise from the EU to us.

Just make things simple is the way forward

It's the fact that there is a transactional border is the problem, whether vat is due or not, checks will be required.

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[sdc77]

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Of course they do... they only killed a few thousand this year didn't they..

 

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Of course they do... they only killed a few thousand this year didn't they..

In the channel? I must of missed that news story...

 

[sdc77]

In the channel? I must of missed that news story...

Ahh right Yeah.. sorry misread your silly post

 

[busby]

The pace with which the roll-on/roll-off ferries unload and upload lorries is remarkable. It is designed for minimal checks, indeed a ferry unloading 180 lorries sees just two of them checked. That's frictionless trade for you. The systems, the roads, the ports, and the Channel Tunnel have been designed under treaties that anticipate the UK and the continent remain in the same customs and regulatory territory. Now imagine every lorry being checked? You have turned a RoRo Port into a container Port.

Dont think many containers ever get checked,,OTHER than it number for delivery,,BUSBY,,

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[tonyidle]

I would like to point out to all the doomsayers that, a few years ago, over 20 miles of the M20 was used a lorry park for a large part of the Summer, due to French industrial action in Calais. We still got fed, there wasn't any kind of food shortage in any of the shops, we still got all the NHS drugs we needed, no shortages were reported, strange don't you think ?

Pete

Those trucks were on the way OUT though.

 

[Paddywack]

Dont think many containers ever get checked,,OTHER than it number for delivery,,BUSBY,,

That's because of the good work carried out by Custom Agents, the paper work is all done before the ship leaves port on its way here. This is only needed for goods outside the EU currently, after 30th March we will also have a shortage of Custom Agents to handle the increasing load.

 

[Tykatem]

Those trucks were on the way OUT though.

I refer you to the answer I gave before:-

Well if there was 20 miles of lorries queued this end, then there must have been similar or bigger queues at the French side

Pete

 

[busby]

That's because of the good work carried out by Custom Agents, the paper work is all done before the ship leaves port on its way here. This is only needed for goods outside the EU currently, after 30th March we will also have a shortage of Custom Agents to handle the increasing load.

The paper work may have been checked,,,but very very few containers are ever physically checked other than after a tip off,,BUSBY,,

 

[2657]

The paper work may have been checked,,,but very very few containers are ever physically checked other than after a tip off,,BUSBY,,

No they are not but the paperwork can take forever, I remember the old days of T forms and agents filling them in and queuing to get them stamped and queuing again after having the forms re done because the agent mis typed something.

That's when there were lots of agents and the customs were geared up for this paperwork and the volume of ro-ro traffic was probably a fifth of what it is now!

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[Paddywack]

The paper work may have been checked,,,but very very few containers are ever physically checked other than after a tip off,,BUSBY,,

That's because its a system that works, its a proven process. And in terms of planning ahead:

"The government fully acknowledges the potential capacity challenges facing the customs intermediaries sector in supporting existing and new clients when the UK leaves the EU. In September HM Treasury and HMRC announced a one-off investment of £8 million to support broker training and increased automation. As part of this investment, funding is now available to help customs intermediaries and traders based in the UK, meet the upfront costs of employee training and IT improvements."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...at-to-expect-on-day-one-of-a-no-deal-scenario

 

[busby]

No they are not but the paperwork can take forever, I remember the old days of T forms and agents filling them in and queuing to get them stamped and queuing again after having the forms re done because the agent mis typed something.

That's when there were lots of agents and the customs were geared up for this paperwork and the volume of ro-ro traffic was probably a fifth of what it is now!

Plus the technology,,computers etc was non existent,,,No need for paperwork today,,BUSBY,,

 

[2657]

Plus the technology,,computers etc was non existent,,,No need for paperwork today,,BUSBY,,

Possibly if the software is up and running and more importantly working, with the required number of trained operatives.

My experience of computer systems is that in many cases the old paperwork system was quicker.

 

[Larby]

Possibly if the software is up and running and more importantly working, with the required number of trained operatives.

My experience of computer systems is that in many cases the old paperwork system was quicker.

Don't worry, a Capita off-shoot will tender for the contract to provide the IT required.
All tendered for at 1/2 the final price only to find that in 2023 the Windows XP is not up to the job. Never mind, keep the cash and we will offer re-offer the contract.
Then you can make a large donation to the party thereby securing your knighthood.

 

[Paddywack]

Plus the technology,,computers etc was non existent,,,No need for paperwork today,,BUSBY,,

The current Customs Agents are equipped with modern IT but it still requires paperwork and all IT requires someone to put in the information and check that the information provided is correct - hence why the government has provided a £8 million training budget.

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